File 649 English Manga (Ran's In Trouble)

[jelly_Ace]

where in the world did ran get the idea that just by seeing the white-haired dude shinichi'll regain his memory?!?totally dumb idea, and totally dumb of ran to believe it.

[RedPoppy]

So, the case takes another turn. When Ran said that she will give Shiragami her heart, I instantly thought there was that possibility that Shiragami was the real Shinichi. I could easily see a scene like this happening:

After Ran begs for Shiragami to restore Shinichi's memory, Shiragami instantly hugs Ran and whips off his wig.

Shinichi: "Hey, you said you'd give me your heart, right?"
Ran: *blushes and then slaps Shinichi* "Idiot! You made me worry so much!"
Shinichi: *grins* Sorry sorry. I didn't want to be seen.
Ran: "But wait. If you're really here...then who's..."

But I hope it goes a different direction than this. This is just a bit too predictable for me. I hope Shiragami is definitely someone else. I feel like running into Shiragami and throwing back all his white hair. 

    Perfect love scene in Gosho's style~! Well, I guess it'll look like that, but I'm now confused.  I don't want amnestic Shinichi to be the real one, but I don't want Shiragami to be him too. SHINICHI, WHERE'RE YOU, ON THE HELL?!  Shiragami's chin looks like Shinichi's, but...well...it's soooo embarassing wearing a white wig and jumping from a tree to a tree. I can't imagine Shinichi in something like that.

[kirite]

where in the world did ran get the idea that just by seeing the white-haired dude shinichi'll regain his memory?!?totally dumb idea, and totally dumb of ran to believe it.

Well she's been acting all OOC since this arc began so...who knows.  Maybe Ran is not really Ran xDDD!

-feels forcefully inserted plot device-

OMG if he kills Ran I'll be soooo mad (I've only waited oh...ten years for them to get together).

Heh, how many of you will blame Aoyama's divorce if he stuns you by killing Ran off?

lol xD!

[EdogawaConanTantei]

Everyone needs to take their little fanfics. elsewhere. I already know who Shiragami is and I'm not happy.

[RedPoppy]

Everyone needs to take their little fanfics. elsewhere. I already know who Shiragami is and I'm not happy.

Really? Are you sure? So who is Shiragami? He's Shinichi, Makoto...or somebody else? Could you tell us, pretty please? 

[Nyarl]

Everyone needs to take their little fanfics. elsewhere. I already know who Shiragami is and I'm not happy.

Why are you unhappy it's Makoto?

[mysterygirl]

Everyone needs to take their little fanfics. elsewhere. I already know who Shiragami is and I'm not happy.

Oh really?    If it's Makoto, I'll be extremely happy. Yes, tell us who it is if you think you know who it is!    (And if Shiragami is a monkey, I'll be double the happiness. *grins*)

[EdogawaConanTantei]

I'll state my case:

The one main thing we have to think about here is whether or not the person seen at the beginning of 646(stabbing Kudo's picture) and Shiragami are the same person.

Obviously, we are not shown any physical charactheristics of the former.. but we are shown certain aspects of Shiragami. Take note of the small patch of black on Shiragami's chin. Just a shadow of a cleft? Or perhaps a soul patch?(very small patch of hair) We cannot confirm either.

I'm going to go on these things as I think of them, so I may be a bit out of order:

-The knife wielded by the unknown person and the knife Shinichi "used" are completely different.

- When Shiragami is standing over Ran at the end of 649.. don't you think if it were Shinichi.. he would be smirking/smiling instead of frowning? (Besides the fact that Ran is possibly badly injured, so if Shiragami were Shinichi, he'd like immediately go down and help her "Ran!" )

I was hoping Shiragami was the real Shinichi.. but I am now of a different opinion. I think the Shinichi we are seeing is the real Shinichi.

[EdogawaConanTantei]

Why are you unhappy it's Makoto?

Would I even need to explain? In pretty much every case.. there is atleast 2-4 suspects. Makoto is the only real suspect to me. And if it's not him, then Makoto is dead, and it's some random, which is a complete cop-out for a file which has meant alot to alot.


I think the last 3 files have pretty much left us in limbo and I would wager that in 650 alot is revealed.

(I'd also bet on the fact that 650 ends with Ran finally seeing the face of Shiragami.. and probably saying something like ".. you?!" , in other words, another hyping cliffhanger.)

[Nyarl]

I'll state my case:
...

Obviously, we are not shown any physical charactheristics of the former.. but we are shown certain aspects of Shiragami. Take note of the small patch of black on Shiragami's chin. Just a shadow of a cleft? Or perhaps a soul patch?(very small patch of hair) We cannot confirm either.

...

Ehhh…. I notice the shadow under "Shin'ichi's" lips at the beginning of file 648 matches the Shiragami. But, I can't find earlier drawings where Shin'ichi has that feature (though it might just be that I can't find one with that exact expression).

I agree though that there are plenty of reasons the Shiragami shouldn't be Shin'ichi. (Heh, and I was going to list and explain them assuming you were pointing out the file 648 drawing as evidence that the Shiragami is Shin'ichi, before your edit...)

I wonder if the 648 drawing is foreshadowing that the big twist will be that Makoto did get plastic surgery to frame Shin'ichi, but Shin'ichi's escape from the cabin thwarted the plan so he instead had to reuse the trick used in the killing of the Headman's wife to frame Shin'ichi.

As to your reply to me, I think it would have been terrible if the Shiragami were Shin'ichi. The amnesiac Shin'ichi being fake would leave far, far too many coincidences.

[kirite]

As to your reply to me, I think it would have been terrible if the Shiragami were Shin'ichi. The amnesiac Shin'ichi being fake would leave far, far too many coincidences.

Agree completely.  It'll make this story arc even more fanfic then it already is xD.  But then having the severe angst from an amnesiac Shinichi is kind of like a really sad sappy fanfic, or a DC movie *cough*.  Poor Ran, whenever this happens she always gets incapacitated xD (then used as a plot device).  I always let it go because Aoyama has no involvement in the movies but...

-worries-     

[Conan 48:69]

I guarantee there's no way the white-haired dude is Shinichi.

Do you think Shinichi is agile enough to climb the tree like Tarzan, moreover when Shinichi sees Ran is fainted, do you think Shinichi will still stand right in front of Ran silently with no feeling and do nothing. 

[RedPoppy]

I've been thinking about this case recently and I've made a theory for all the story. Don't know if you are interested, but I hope some people will read it and share with their opinion. I'm not certain about many things though.  However maybe this theory has some good points, who knows?  Please, be indulgent.

Let's start from a suspicious situation 9 years ago when Okuda Tamako missed in the forest. It seems like the villagers have started take the story about Shiragami seriously since that accident. I think Hinohara was responsible for her death. I'm not sure why he did it. Maybe he and Makoto's father were enemies? Maybe Hinohara had an affair with Tamako, then they met secretly in the forest. Tamako wanted to tell his wife about this, Hinohara didn't allow her. They might have had a quarrel, then either Hinohara pushed her to the lake or she run away from him and accidently fell into the lake. Hinohara started a rumour about Shiragami to scare the villagers. He heard that Tamako's father went to the forest to find his daughter, so he must have killed him and hid a body somewhere. Maybe he had some pangs of conscience and decided to adopt Makoto or maybe he did that to get Makoto's money. Remember, Makoto wanted to stay with his own family name, perhaps his father was rich. Maybe Makoto lied about the reason of keeping last name, maybe it's not because changing name was too big honour, but he knew he would be a heir of a big fortune. Wild guess.

Now let's talk about a case 8 years after. Hinohara's wife discovered something about Tamako's death (maybe she found some old love letters that sort of thing). She found out her husband was a murderer, she wanted to tell everything the police. They had an argument, Hinohara got mad and stabbed the wife on the stairs while she was going up to call the police. However he didn't want to make trouble for his little son and Makoto, so he decided to make this look like if it was a robbery-murder. He ruined the house, then he went out to the asphalt road and came back using other shoes. Then he took off the shoes and packed it with a statue (Deva's King) and threw it into the lake from a veranda. He did the same thing with a bag with jewellery, the knife and proofs of Tamako's murder. You will ask: how is it possible? It's about 30 metres from the lake to the veranda. Remember, he used to take part in Olympic games. I guess his discipline was hammer throw. People can throw a metal ball even 80 metres! I don't think it was a big deal for Hinohara who had so many medals. After throwing all these things, he jumped from the veranda killing himself.

I'm certain Shinichi knew about all of that. He's not a person who would never cover a murderer, but he could keep silent about some facts. He knew Hinohara's past would shocked Daiki and Makoto. Also the villagers and the newspapers wouldn't let them to breath. It would destroy their lives. Shinichi had to choose what would be less evil. He couldn't lie about who was the killer and how he did it, but he made a possible motive of the double suicide. He told everything the policeman, asked him keep it in a secret and take care of Daiki and Makoto. Maybe Shinichi was the one who took off all ribbons from medals and hid it somewhere. On the ribbons must have been written about the discipline, so he had to get rid of it. If somebody had deducted that Hinohara threw all jewellery people would have been suspicious.

Makoto wasn't satisfied of Kudo's deduction. He was depressed, he couldn't even talk to Shinichi, because he got into BO case. Probably he started to hate him and wanted to take a revenge. Makoto prepared a Shiragami's costiume and appeared a few times before the villagers eyes. Then he sent a letter to Kudo, to Heiji (he did it, not Okiya who don't know that Shinichi is a detective) and to a newspaper reporter. He planned to defame Shinichi disguising like him and murdering somebody. Makoto invited Kudo to a hut in the forest. Only two of them probably knew about that place. Makoto locked Shinichi in the hut and went to the lake to make "amnesia story". Yeah, I know it's silly idea, because he was found naked in the lake with a cold...like Conan, but I'm sure THIS  Shinichi isn't real. Maybe later we will find some good informations. Whatever! Conan went from the lake before transforming into Shinichi. Then he came back to the hut and found in a bag Shiragami's costiume. He wore it and decided to follow fake Shinichi.
What Makoto search in his room for? I think he took the keys to the house, so he was able to open it next day. The reporter didn't know he's fake, she just wanted to found out Kudo's secret about a case a year ago. Makoto understood her word different - he thought she knew he's deceiveing everyobody. He decided to kill her, but easy to say, harder to do. He went to her hotel and said he wanted to show her something in Hinohara's house. There he stabbed her by a knife. However he felt bad after doing this. He regreted doing this, but he had to rely on Heiji's help. Besides I think he will get out the trunk and go away, what he probably planned earlier. Do you remember how he was surprised hearing a police and an ambulance? I think he surmissed that real Shinichi escaped the hut and called them.
Ran's thing - I believe in her intuition. Even if she loved Shinichi because his character, she would do her best to regain his memory, worrying badly about him. But she didn't do anything. She felt a distance to Shinichi. It's not because she didn't love him anymore, but he's a totally stranger for her. That's why she didn't feel anything. Accident in the forest - I also thought Shinichi wouldn't just stand and watch when his beloved girl was hurted badly. I didn't like his serious face, but on school festival he behaved the same. He had calm face all the time, he didn't even blush before almost kissing Ran (unfortunately...). I guess when he was standing behind fainted Ran he thought "Ran, you BAROOOO".  Don't forget he came down to her, to rescue her!

That's what I think about the case. What do you think? Maybe you also have some theories? 

[Nyarl]

...Then he took off the shoes and packed it with a statue (Deva's King) and threw it into the lake from a veranda. He did the same thing with a bag with jewellery, the knife and proofs of Tamako's murder. You will ask: how is it possible? It's about 30 metres from the lake to the veranda. Remember, he used to take part in Olympic games. I guess his discipline was hammer throw. People can throw a metal ball even 80 metres! I don't think it was a big deal for Hinohara who had so many medals. After throwing all these things, he jumped from the veranda killing himself.
...Accident in the forest - I also thought Shinichi wouldn't just stand and watch when his beloved girl was hurted badly. I didn't like his serious face, but on school festival he behaved the same. He had calm face all the time, he didn't even blush before almost kissing Ran (unfortunately...). I guess when he was standing behind fainted Ran he thought "Ran, you BAROOOO".  Don't forget he came down to her, to rescue her!

That's what I think about the case. What do you think? Maybe you also have some theories? 

I like the hammer throw idea, the missing medals' ribbons and statuette would make a good impromptu hammer. I think you just solved that trick.

I don't like Shin'ichi swinging through the trees like an ape. We know he won't remain calm if Ran is in danger, from the story where Ran met Okiya. He'd be quickly checking her wounds with a panicked expression, not standing over her. More likely that's Makoto, who wanted to become an Olympic athlete like his foster father, but chose to train for gymnastics.

How does the missing girl, the one who went into the forest with the reporter to find the Shiragami the previous year, fit into things?

[RedPoppy]

I don't like Shin'ichi swinging through the trees like an ape. We know he won't remain calm if Ran is in danger, from the story where Ran met Okiya. He'd be quickly checking her wounds with a panicked expression, not standing over her. More likely that's Makoto, who wanted to become an Olympic athlete like his foster father, but chose to train for gymnastics.

How does the missing girl, the one who went into the forest with the reporter to find the Shiragami the previous year, fit into things?

I don't like "Shinichi as Shiragami" idea too, but everything show that it's true.
About that girl with reporter, maybe I would think about it, but we even don't know who was she. By the way, it's suspicous that so many people lost in the forest and nobody started a hard investigation...