671 Murderer

[kagami]

but Haibara never said anything about the person having a beard.

That would be a translation mistake, it should be "facial hair". My mistake, I apologize for it.

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The clue is definitely "copycat". Kristantei, is seems you're one whole chapter ahead of Conan And the others on this forum too. Though we do have the advantage over Conan for thinking in English What bothers me is why Ai didn't realize it though, seeing as how she went to the US when she was young.

[God]

It's pretty obvious after reading the new chapter that Kibo(robber,murderer,recently released from prison) was the killer from before, and that the new killer is either the son of the victim, the wife of the victim, the brother of the victim or the Inspector with the scar on his eye.

[Kristantei]

That would be a translation mistake, it should be "facial hair". My mistake, I apologize for it.

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The clue is definitely "copycat". Kristantei, is seems you're one whole chapter ahead of Conan And the others on this forum too. Though we do have the advantage over Conan for thinking in English What bothers me is why Ai didn't realize it though, seeing as how she went to the US when she was young.

No big deal. That happens sometimes with translations that require so much detail. Normally, something like that wouldn't mean much, but this is a mystery series.

I think with this new chapter my deduction can become even stronger. I saw some details that are very interesting.
In Ai's defense she never saw the crime scene. She's also not a detective.

It's pretty obvious after reading the new chapter that Kibo(robber,murderer,recently released from prison) was the killer from before, and that the new killer is either the son of the victim, the wife of the victim, the brother of the victim or the Inspector with the scar on his eye.

"God"?? 
While I'm hardly on to question 'God', but I do have to question the fallibility of your statement that Kibo is without a doubt the killer. This deduction hangs solely on the hope that Kibo has a scar on his back. If he doesn't then he's innocent. Normally, when someone is arrested and sent to prison they record things like tattoos and scars. I would think that if this man was arrested 15 years ago and had a scar of an 'ichi' on his back he would of been investigated for these murders.
Kibo was someone who often fought with the four victims in the past. All the victims were killed by someone they knew well. There was never sign of a struggle in the rooms. Not to mention this person knew each of them well enough to know where they lived.
Sure, you could say that in the past they didn't have reason to fear him, but there was no sign of a struggle in Hiramune's place. Those two did get into a pretty violent fight.

Also why would this culprit put a Z on the victims back rather then a N. I believe that my suspect, who I name in my deduction used a Z to hide the scar on Hiramune's back. The new killer needed to hide the fact that Hiramune was the original killer.

You are a harsh one to include Inspector Matsumoto on the suspects list. What motive would he have to kill the criminologist if you think Kibo was the original serial killer?

This copycat needed a motive to kill Hiramune, right? Why kill this 4th person if Kibo is the real killer?
Hiramune was also a criminologist who would go on TV to talk about the case or write about it in magazines, but at no time did he ever bring forth the information that all four of them played mahjong together. That wasn't discovered until Conan realized that. Think about it. If Hiramune seriously wanted the case solved, why did he hide the connection they all had? If he would of told he police that he knew these three men. He could of told them about Kibo and the fight. Why did he hide that information all these years?? Could it be that he wanted to avoid ever being connected to other victims?

There is also the phone call the mahjong owner got. Why would Kibo call only a few days ago asking if a doctor, associate professor, a lawyer, and a criminal psychologist gather there? Kibo already knew that. Though I also notice that this person asked about a criminal psychologist and not a student.
No question about someone they might of fought with.

It's possible, with what we know now that Kibo could be the original killer, but what reason would Hiramune have for hiding his connection to the other three?

[Misztina]

So, Hiramura commited a crime and his friends found it out, so he had to take care of them, although he really liked them. But he was too scared to go to prison, then killing 3 best friends. The fact, that he killed the lawyer 5 years later might be either that lawyer didn't knew that Hiramura was a bad guy, unlike the other two, but later he figured everything out or he was blackmailing Hiramura so he had to kill him, but I'd go with the first option.

[hakkaino7]

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gosho is getting pretty cheesy... making a character suspicious from the very start, and not to mention where the previous case in which 'the butler did it' lol 

i really wish right now that 'let it be' is connected to 'nanatsu no ko' 

[Nyarl]

So, Hiramura commited a crime and his friends found it out, so he had to take care of them, although he really liked them. But he was too scared to go to prison, then killing 3 best friends. The fact, that he killed the lawyer 5 years later might be either that lawyer didn't knew that Hiramura was a bad guy, unlike the other two, but later he figured everything out or he was blackmailing Hiramura so he had to kill him, but I'd go with the first option.

Nice explanation for the apparent remorse shown by the serial killer. I wonder if that would mean the "Let it be" actually meant that Hiramune thought his friends should have let his crime be.

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gosho is getting pretty cheesy... making a character suspicious from the very start, and not to mention where the previous case in which 'the butler did it' lol 

i really wish right now that 'let it be' is connected to 'nanatsu no ko' 

Abstracting what happened in the first case as "the butler did it" is torturing abstraction pretty badly just to look for something to complain about. You might as well criticize all fiction as unoriginal because it's all about stuff that hasn't really happened.

I thought this story line was pretty good. Aoyama is playing fair with the evidence, so people are going to figure things out.

[hakkaino7]

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gosho is getting pretty cheesy... making a character suspicious from the very start, and not to mention where the previous case in which 'the butler did it' lol 

i really wish right now that 'let it be' is connected to 'nanatsu no ko' 

Abstracting what happened in the first case as "the butler did it" is torturing abstraction pretty badly just to look for something to complain about. You might as well criticize all fiction as unoriginal because it's all about stuff that hasn't really happened.

I thought this story line was pretty good. Aoyama is playing fair with the evidence, so people are going to figure things out.

What are you talking about? I'm complaining because of this

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just say it... everyone guessed it right, that the butler did it... 

and this...

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I think the killer is the last person... and the serial killer is the person who was murdered recently... I don't have any clues though, it's just a speculation 

*sigh*... I really hate it when i *guess* correctly... and the moment i saw ctr + c with blood (I first saw it on raw, without even a quick translation to read) the first thing i thought of that it was a copycat and that the serial killer was a victim... after that i was bored to look for clues lol 

i was also like, "wtf, he really did do it" when kogoro saw the small scar on the butler's back (since by then it's suddenly obvious [to me] that a scar doesn't grow with the body)

still, it could still be the killer who placed blood on ctr+c and hid it, since the police see it anyway because they have to take the body... but there usually isn't any killer who thinks 2 steps ahead instead of 1, unless they know that they are facing against shinichi or heiji...(or is it  )

anyways congratulations to kristante for making a good deduction and congratulations to me for making a good guess... lol 

[Kristantei]

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gosho is getting pretty cheesy... making a character suspicious from the very start, and not to mention where the previous case in which 'the butler did it' lol 

i really wish right now that 'let it be' is connected to 'nanatsu no ko' 

I had never really heard the song "nanatsu no ko" before. I finally heard it today and I realized they could be connected.

In the song nanatsu no ko the word kawaii(cute) is used several times. You can check it out here on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaL3TBEjfT8
There is a lyric from that song:

kawaii, kawaii to karasu ha naku no kawaii, kawaii to nakunda yo.

Now compare this lyric from Let it Be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9SgDoypXcI&feature=related

Let it be, Let it be. Let there be an answer. Let it be.

I noticed something while I was listening to nanatsu no ko and Let it Be. In nanatsu no ko the word "kawaii" and "let it be" sound rather similar. The killer hummed or whistled the song.
Go ahead and try it right now. Whistle or hum both "let it be" and "kawaii". They sound almost the same.

That could explain why Morimura thought something sounded odd about the song.

This is a complete and utter guess though. If this was real, then wouldn't that mean this serial killer was one of the Men in Black? If my deduction is right and Hiramune is one of the Men in Black. I find that weird one of their members would get killed off so easy. Wouldn't it be sad is he was Bourbon? lol The did say he was into deductions. That is what Hiramune often did with his mahjong partners. I doubt that though.

The biggest problems with the songs being mixed up. Why would native Japanese mix up "Let it Be" and "nanatsu no ko"? As a child Eiki should of known "nanatsu no ko" easier then "Let it Be". Yet he told the police it was "Let it Be", from what Takagi said.

[hakkaino7]

lol kristantei u can read the raw now, i didn't need any quick translation for this one 

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hahaha... at least I'm satisfied with the story even though the case was an easy one 

[God]

I was correct in my deduction.

[Kristantei]

I was correct in my deduction.

No you weren't. I read all your postings on here. Everything you posted was either wrong or broad generalizations.
First you named each victim of killing the next, then you said the new victim couldn't be the serial killer. and you named Kibo of being the original serial killer.
You even suspected Chief Inspector Matsumoto.
All were wrong on each count.

At no point did you ever make a deduction. You made guesses. A deduction is pointing to the evidence and explaining in detail why you think your theory is right.

I at leas explained myself and I came out correct on the case.

[hakkaino7]

haha leave him be...

and now he's defying god... ftw    j/k 

[sstimson]

Sorry but I got a question. When One hums or whistles, they are humming or whistling the melody, and to my ears (which might be as tone deaf as Conan's ) those two melodies sound completely different. Could one really mistake the melody of one song for the other in this case ( Let It Be ) for ( Nanatsu No Ko ) ?

Later

[hakkaino7]

not really... although the words "kawaii" and "let it be" rhymes, they are still sang differently and have different paces... so... no, i no longer think it's related to BO