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What you would change about the series

Postby kkslider5552000 » December 4th, 2011, 4:09 pm

Wanted to make this topic for a while but feared the amount of super serious angry debating would happen once some one wanted a certain character gone from the series. So instead, the larger the change you would make to Detective Conan, the more you have to explain specificially on how it would affect parts of the series. So basically, if you don't want Conan in the series, you better be prepared to write a short novel. XD

Now for me, the first change would be no more stupid Gundam naming scheme. It is bad and Gosho should feel bad. It doesn't affect anything at all other than Okiya Subaru would need a new name. I suggest Cameo Man. Also, that pointless Chiba case was replaced with a pointless Sato and Takagi case. Being pointless makes the change pointless outside of making one case much better.

Part of me feels like the London case (and the post-London cases) should have happened in the middle of the Eisuke arc (Gosho was talking about London forever apparently, and the Eisuke arc is like half as long a sthe Bourbon arc) and that would also make the Shirigami-sama case better from the Ran perspective. But, I honestly can't figure out a good idea for that, and the Bourbon arc has enough blatant filler anyway, so I don't want to get rid of pratically the only attempt at advancing anything in a year and a half.

My main problem is so many pointless cases. what's the point of having nothing relevent to the plot or characters oncesoever when the plot almost never gets in the way of cases anyway? Especially those Detective Boys cases in the 400s. Those were usually pretty boring and weren't worth watching just for the case anyway. I'd get rid of the seashell case as I hate it, and have 2 others focus more on Conan being jealous of Eisuke for hanging out with Ran and AiCon. The Eisuke part because Eisuke was forgotten about after a bit and was much better as hinted Ran pairing comic relief instead of a character we're supposed to take that seriously, and AiCon because Haibara was completely forgotten about in that arc despite being the best character and Gosho's favorite. And I feel like they should have done more with the Eisuke and Ran stuff anyway. Also, why I wanted the London case earlier as it would somewhat justify Conan's response to Eisuke at the end.

For the Bourbon arc there were some boring but competent cases and fun but stupid cases. Or something like that. Basically I would combine the best parts of 2 lesser cases to make them much better. I'm not sure how that would work but I would combine the Sushi and Blue Spark cases, 2 of the more recent Eri cases, and the Iron Tanooki would basically be the same but with Detective Haibara. Also, I would have done something plot relevent (even if only for a second) in the Demon Dog case. Or Heiji X Kazuha because Kazuha was there for no reason. Get rid of the Monkey and Rake case as Ran's character was just terrible in that case.
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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby Vylash » December 4th, 2011, 4:12 pm

No more 1 part cases, you need at least 2 episodes to really flesh a case out and make it intriguing, so 1 part cases need to go

Also, I'd change the absurd lack of plot progression
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Postby MaitreDétective » December 4th, 2011, 4:31 pm

I'd change Ran's hairstyle
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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby Kor » December 4th, 2011, 4:37 pm

The london arc should have been much longer and be renamed to the "Europe Arc", with Conan, Kogoro, Ran and Agasa traveling throughout Europe and solving cases on the way...........and it happens that they encounter a lot of japanese people on the way during the cases......

Stupid and absurd, I know, but that was the only thing I could come up with at the moment XD
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Postby dilbertschalter » December 4th, 2011, 4:58 pm

Parkur wrote:No more 1 part cases, you need at least 2 episodes to really flesh a case out and make it intriguing, so 1 part cases need to go

Also, I'd change the absurd lack of plot progression


this is the kind of logic that leads to the awful, awful trend of recent episodes that feature several minutes of plot summary in part 2. one part episodes can be very enjoyable if done right.

in general, i'm a big fan of no plot, so i wouldn't do anything to change that.

it would be nice if they could go to other places more though- i don't even mean going overseas- they could just be in another part of japan for six months to mix things up a bit.

i'd also make eri more of a character. i don't "like" her that much, but i think that if she appeared more often the show would be significantly richer as a result- the ran/kogoro relationship is interesting, but eri/ran and kogoro/eri and kogoro/eri/ran are worth looking into more.
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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby Wakarimashita » December 4th, 2011, 5:27 pm

DC chapters are pretty dense and full of walls of text so the 2 part episodes are usually still tolerable (3 or even 4 part cases are usually much worse in that department).

The location thing is something that's already been pointed out a few times and I totally agree. Gosho should work more on the settings and the atmosphere of his cases (I'm not asking for Kindaichi but at least something decent) and he should bring back the cases where his characters are isolated, can't contact the police and have to deal with a murderer who's among them. Nowadays I feel that it's mostly the AO writers that come up with the best locations, which is a bit sad...
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Postby Kudo Shinchi » December 4th, 2011, 6:21 pm

Nothing much, but I really would like to see faster plot progression, but not to the point that it's feels rushed. I sort of feel like that about

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Sera's introduction. I felt like Gosho waited a bit too long to do it, especially since the Bourbon arc might end soon.


Also, I wish the Bourbon arc had a pace similar to that of the Vermouth arc, especially since it's the longest arc we've had since then. Although the Vermouth arc  was pretty long, it's plot progression was a lot faster than the Bourbon arc. Those small hints/sequences at the end of a large number of episodes helped keep up the suspense as well as subtly advance the plot.

As for the Bourbon arc, though, for most of it we've gotten Okiya cameos and not much progress in terms of story. I'll admit that there's been development in other aspects, such as Sato and Takagi's relationship as well as Shinichi and Ran. Still...

We definitely need more cases like the Blue Castle Case and the Then There Were No More Mermaids case. The mystery cases in DC today generally lack that type of adventure and excitement, sadly. The closest thing we've gotten to that recently would be the Seance case and the Demon Dog case, and maybe that DB piano case, but it's not the same.

Also, I definitely miss the old anime soundtrack. Fortunately, the soundtrack in the 600s has been improving. Actually, for that matter the 600s thus far have been very enjoyable, both in terms of manga based cases and AOs.
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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby Wakarimashita » December 4th, 2011, 6:37 pm

The closest thing we've gotten to that recently would be the Seance case and the Demon Dog case, and maybe that DB piano case, but it's not the same.


It's also a matter of animation (can anyone imagine the blue castle case with the modern bright animation ?), and that's something that will unfortunately not change...

Definitely agree about the 600s being quite enjoyable. Far better than the 500s IMO.
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Postby mangaluva » December 4th, 2011, 8:47 pm

More Kid :P

Also, I think that the ratio of plot-to-filler needs to actually change over the course of the series. Early on, a ton of filler is actually not a bad thing, since it gives good room for character establishment and development. Once you actually start with the plot, though, the ratio of plot needs to steadily increase. If you're going to have a major srsface plot development, you can't keep having such a high ratio of filler afterwards. A story needs to build up to the climax, not stumble in its general direction until it trips over it by accident.
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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby sonoci » December 4th, 2011, 8:56 pm

mangaluva wrote:A story needs to build up to the climax, not stumble in its general direction until it trips over it by accident.


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Postby ziraulo » December 4th, 2011, 10:35 pm

Kudo Shinchi wrote:Nothing much, but I really would like to see faster plot progression, but not to the point that it's feels rushed. I sort of feel like that about

Spoiler:
Sera's introduction. I felt like Gosho waited a bit too long to do it, especially since the Bourbon arc might end soon.


Also, I wish the Bourbon arc had a pace similar to that of the Vermouth arc, especially since it's the longest arc we've had since then. Although the Vermouth arc  was pretty long, it's plot progression was a lot faster than the Bourbon arc. Those small hints/sequences at the end of a large number of episodes helped keep up the suspense as well as subtly advance the plot.

As for the Bourbon arc, though, for most of it we've gotten Okiya cameos and not much progress in terms of story. I'll admit that there's been development in other aspects, such as Sato and Takagi's relationship as well as Shinichi and Ran. Still...

We definitely need more cases like the Blue Castle Case and the Then There Were No More Mermaids case. The mystery cases in DC today generally lack that type of adventure and excitement, sadly. The closest thing we've gotten to that recently would be the Seance case and the Demon Dog case, and maybe that DB piano case, but it's not the same.

Also, I definitely miss the old anime soundtrack. Fortunately, the soundtrack in the 600s has been improving. Actually, for that matter the 600s thus far have been very enjoyable, both in terms of manga based cases and AOs.


^ This. Definitely this. I know that DC is in the mystery genre and that I shouldn't really expect much action, but it doesn't hurt to have something that makes your blood pump. The closest I've gotten that excited was the current case, but that was only because
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Okiya, Sera, and Amuro's possible meeting. Otherwise, the only other thing that made me happy was the return of the bloody corpses.


Like stated in the spoiler, I'd like to have a return of the bloody corpses as well. They don't have to be really gory, but sometimes, it doesn't feel like a murder case if the corpse is just meh. I'd also like to change the pacing of the London Case, possibly taking Kor's suggestion of making it a Europe case. I would've been more excited if the bomber led them around Europe with a bunch of riddles, and if the bomber planned something like the Tokyo Tower Bombing case. Sorry, Hades Sabara, but your bombing plan sucked eggs.

Another thing for the London Arc: The romance. The pacing was too fast in my opinion, and I would've at least put a kiss for Shinichi and Ran there, along with Shinichi's indirect confession. I know that different people react differently on one situation, but I think that you won't be that shy just because of a confession. There has to be something else with it. XD
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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby ranger » December 5th, 2011, 5:46 pm

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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby sonoci » December 5th, 2011, 5:52 pm

ranger wrote:gender bend everyone


Ah, so Shinichi can finally be a man?



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Postby ranger » December 5th, 2011, 6:11 pm

sonoci wrote:
ranger wrote:gender bend everyone


Ah, so Shinichi can finally be a man?



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Re: What you would change about the series

Postby IHKF » December 5th, 2011, 6:14 pm

Conan and Ran would have flaws. XD

Perfect absolutely perfect characters annoy me to no end. I love Ran and I have a love/hate "relationship" with Conan XD, but they need FLAWS. All Conan really has is his lack of voice perfection and Ran there is arguably NOTHING. And if he won't have any flaws, I'd like to see Conan have a fear of spiders or something- like Kaito's fear of fish. (Kaito, at least, is perverted while Heiji is hot-headed. I would really like to see him have a flaw. XD)

Ayumi and Mitsuhiko and Genta would be more important.
Ayumi and Mitsuhiko are very endearing characters with wonderful personalities. They, to me, are far more interesting than Conan or Ran or Kogoro, or Gin, or Vodka, or Vermouth. *Dodges incoming bullets, bricks, flaming torches, and acid*
Ayumi, while still young and naive, is brave and cute and helpful- and affectionate. It would be nice to see her noticing Conan's lack of interest and pursuing a new darker side to her character.
Mitsuhiko is WAAYYY too smart for his age, too! XD But he's got a great heart, he's a gentleman, and he is witty. (Almost made him sound like Kaito there. XD) He has also been shown to be very very good at detective work.
Genta is hot-headed, bold, and determined. That makes for an interesting character. :)
It annoys me to no end that Gosho doesn't give them a bigger part.

Conan would NOT KNOW SOMETHING for once.

Another episode showing character development between Haibara and the DB would appear.
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