Is Shinichi a good combat fighter?

[skyechan]

he's not good at singing, but he has absolute pitch, so close enough.

If he has perfect pitch, why did he Asked the violin guy about what note was being played in the BO Boss' cellphone ring?

Because he couldn't think of any songs that began with those notes.

To add on to discussion, Shin'ichi did say from the get go that he started to do soccer in place of his idol Sherlock Holmes' fencing and Baritsu, if I recall correctly. So with that in mind, other than a hobby, he had the idea to use soccer from the get go to be able to take down culprits using powerful kicks.

[ProfParanoia]

Wasn't the perfect pitch stuff from the movies and not really the manga or show?

[MaitreDétective]

Wasn't the perfect pitch stuff from the movies and not really the manga or show?

that's what I'm thinking too

[Raiden]

Wasn't the perfect pitch stuff from the movies and not really the manga or show?

No, it was in both the anime and manga too...but more subtle introduced than in the 12th movie (as in, they didn't say outright he had a perfect pitch, but it could easily be interpreted as such if you watch the episodes/read the files closer). =)


Episode 385 - 387 of the anime. / Volume 46, file 2 - 6 of the manga.

Case File(s): The Dissonance of the Stradivarius.

[someone somewhere]

In the manga (The kidnapped child pianist case~)he was shown to have perfect listening pitch, as he could tell that one of the keys in the piano is slightly off and leads to his realizing that the culprit is no longer playing piano. But the movie (12) took it that he has also perfect singing pitch which is not necessarily true even if his hearing is perfect. To me, it doesn't really make much sense as he can't sing for nuts - though it is still not impossible. Some people may be able to produce absolute pitch perfectly but suck at going from one pitch to another~ extremely rare case though.

[kyuuketsuki]

Wasn't the perfect pitch stuff from the movies and not really the manga or show?

No, it was in both the anime and manga too...but more subtle introduced than in the 12th movie (as in, they didn't say outright he had a perfect pitch, but it could easily be interpreted as such if you watch the episodes/read the files closer). =)


Episode 385 - 387 of the anime. / Volume 46, file 2 - 6 of the manga.

Case File(s): The Dissonance of the Stradivarius.

Don't forget moonlight sonata too. He was able to decode the musical code in real time using only his ears.

As for the question posed, he only knows how to kick like a soccer player, big wind up to big delivery, as shown in the second file where he tries to kick the culprit with his shrunken body. That would suggest a lack of knowledge of fighting arts. He is an athlete, not a fighter. The only thing of combat he did was kick the gun out of a culprits hand. But all that shows is that he can judge distance and swing his leg.

Lastly, the Hawaii thing is movie only, Gosho never made that canon. He would not write that in now if he didn't for the past 15 years.

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[Miyao]

In the 13th movie, Conan was a pretty badass fighter

But if were'r talking about canon, Shinichi is shown to be able to name combat/martial arts techniques several times, has dodged Ran's kicks in chapter 1, can jump from trees to trees like a ninja in the Shiranami case and Ran once stated that his kick power is greater then her's.

Aside that, I don't think of any other thing

Ooohh what chapter/episode? 8D

[The Mask]

Don't forget moonlight sonata too. He was able to decode the musical code in real time using only his ears.

As for the question posed, he only knows how to kick like a soccer player, big wind up to big delivery, as shown in the second file where he tries to kick the culprit with his shrunken body. That would suggest a lack of knowledge of fighting arts. He is an athlete, not a fighter. The only thing of combat he did was kick the gun out of a culprits hand. But all that shows is that he can judge distance and swing his leg.

Lastly, the Hawaii thing is movie only, Gosho never made that canon. He would not write that in now if he didn't for the past 15 years.

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Good points there regarding that scene in the second file and the Hawaii thing being canon. In the words of Michael Jackson, "he's a lover, not a fighter".

[Schillok]

Wasn't the perfect pitch stuff from the movies and not really the manga or show?

No, it was in both the anime and manga too...but more subtle introduced than in the 12th movie (as in, they didn't say outright he had a perfect pitch, but it could easily be interpreted as such if you watch the episodes/read the files closer). =)


Episode 385 - 387 of the anime. / Volume 46, file 2 - 6 of the manga.



Case File(s): The Dissonance of the Stradivarius.

Don't forget moonlight sonata too. He was able to decode the musical code in real time using only his ears.

There is also the rather recent episode, where he and the Detective Boys entered that Villa while it was raining. The piano was played but had a key out of tune which Conan was able to hear (and remember).
Ahh, it's called "Bach Charade".  File 728-730

[mangaluva]

He was shown early on to be good at dodging, at least, though that was probably an ability honed entirely through knowing Ran forever. His football seems to have cultivated a powerful kick, as well, which he's very good at repurposing

[sonoci]

In the 13th movie, Conan was a pretty badass fighter

But if were'r talking about canon, Shinichi is shown to be able to name combat/martial arts techniques several times, has dodged Ran's kicks in chapter 1, can jump from trees to trees like a ninja in the Shiranami case and Ran once stated that his kick power is greater then her's.

Aside that, I don't think of any other thing

Ooohh what chapter/episode? 8D

If I recall right, that was actually stated in an AO

It wouldn't be that far of an assumption, though. ...However, he may have a powerful kick, but I'm not sure there's much else. He probably can't do it with much agility (as in he can't kick many times with the same amount of accuracy). Some "proof" could be that, although he did kick the gun out of the imposter's hands in the Shirigami case, it was with one swift kick while the guy was off-guard. Most culprits have been taken down with one kick as well. God help him if he ever missed. ._.

[kyuuketsuki]

In the 13th movie, Conan was a pretty badass fighter

But if were'r talking about canon, Shinichi is shown to be able to name combat/martial arts techniques several times, has dodged Ran's kicks in chapter 1, can jump from trees to trees like a ninja in the Shiranami case and Ran once stated that his kick power is greater then her's.

Aside that, I don't think of any other thing

Ooohh what chapter/episode? 8D

If I recall right, that was actually stated in an AO

It wouldn't be that far of an assumption, though. ...However, he may have a powerful kick, but I'm not sure there's much else. He probably can't do it with much agility (as in he can't kick many times with the same amount of accuracy). Some "proof" could be that, although he did kick the gun out of the imposter's hands in the Shirigami case, it was with one swift kick while the guy was off-guard. Most culprits have been taken down with one kick as well. God help him if he ever missed. ._.

Exactly my point... Even 7 year olds who know how to fight can hold off an adult assailant pretty decently (mainly knowing where and how to hit). Conan has not shown those skills. He has shown us soccer style kicks, and grabbing someone. That is about it. He kicked the gun out of an culprit's hand while off guard which is not a great feat. Furthermore, I disagree that Shinichi has greater attack kicking force than Ran. He may be able to generate more force than her with his soccer wind up, but I will guarantee you that she could do the same and best him. Why? Because she was trained in Karate, which teaches to use the ENTIRE body in strikes, while keeping minimal motion and maximum speed and accuracy.

[ranger]

Well, in the Shiragami-sama case...

Spoiler: boxed for space

In case anyone is unfamiliar with the case, 'Shinichi' isn't actually Shinichi, 'Shiragami-sama' is :x

Otherwise, he mostly uses his footballs or kicks other things at people...

Hmm...I guess that qualifies.

shinichi is good at everything.

Other than singing :X

Yeah, but he's probably a musical prodigy.

Scumbag Gosho

Yeah my main character has a good balance of strengths and weaknesses for character development..

...one flaw is bad at singing.

Well, I do know one very prominent 19th century Asian historical figure who is a prodigy at a lot of things, but supposedly sings as if it came from a horse's mouth. So it's a reasonable flaw.

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It wouldn't surprise me if Gosho writes a case in which Shinichi goes up against a martial artist champion, where he comes out as the winner using some sort of obscure fighting technique...then explains it off with him having learning it by his father in Hawaii. . .or something like that.

That sounds interesting. But then again, the closest combat sport that I can associate with Hawaii is sumo wrestling, mainly because of the sumo wrestler Akebono. But could you imagine Shinichi sumo wrestling?!

Being bad at singing doesn't count as a legitimate flaw for character development.  He is perfect in every other attribute and masters like all the skills in the entire universe.  Too many strengths and too little flaws make a character not seem human, and is harder for the audience to connect/relate.

I mean..he's a rather boring character in this sense.  He's essentially a walking super computer/dictionary with his random vast knowledge.  I'm not saying I dislike him, he's still the face of the series (duh), has a great seiyuu, and unique quirks that make him funny/awesome... But if Gosho fleshed him out a bit more, gave him some human flaws other than the totally useless "I suck at singing" shtick, Conan/Shinichi's character development would grow leaps and bounds.

[Stopwatch]

Really? Shinichi is way too impulsive sometimes, hypocritical in that he himself has commited loads of crimes, but doesn't seem to realise despite how he treats others that have done crimes (I mean more like Kid and thieves than the murderers btw). Also, he's terrible at acting and if anyone he knows gets involved in something (normally Ran) he stops acting rationally. There's also how arrogant he used to before being knocked down a peg :x. Stuff like that are his flaws, I'd say.

[ranger]

Really? Shinichi is way too impulsive sometimes, hypocritical in that he himself has commited loads of crimes

Hypocritical in the sense that he himself has commited "loads" of crimes?  Like what..?  Living a fake identity? I mean, other than drinking under-age that one episode to turn back to his former age and meddling with crime scenes as a 7-year-old, nothing is drastic enough to call him "hypocritical" in this regard.   You can hardly call him a hypocrite because of this and count this as a true flaw or weakness.

Also, he's terrible at acting and if anyone he knows gets involved in something (normally Ran) he stops acting rationally

He's terrible at acting for a comedic relief, plus that doesn't matter what so ever because 95% of the DC characters are gullible enough to fall for his "AH LE LE IM ACTUALLY SUPER GENIUS 7 YEAR OLD".  I'm not so sure on the fact that he stops acting "rationally" when his friends/family are involved.  Do take note that almost every single case involves either his friends let it be Ran, Sonoko, Kogorou, Detective Boys.  He shows emotion, especially if Ran is in trouble, and even though the interested party may been in harm's reach (e.g. countless Detective Boy kidnappings or people's lives at risk), Shinichi never loses his cool.  Other than the one mishap of underestimating Gin during the locker scene, Shinichi tends to always act rationally in light of the principles of his idol, Holmes.

There's also how arrogant he used to before being knocked down a peg :x. Stuff like that are his flaws, I'd say.

See I don't quite get why people would call Shinichi arrogant.  He has the right to be so confident in his choices/answers...well because he is a master of what he does.  He's kind of perfect.  A good detective wouldn't be fiddling with his/her thumbs over a deduction.  In essence Kogoro, Akai, Hattori would all be arrogant because they are rock solid on their investigative powers.  This isn't the case.  His "arrogance" is constantly confused with his confidence, which is directly correlated to his abnormal character strength of "super computer intelligence".  Plus when you say "before being knocked down a peg",  are you referring to before he shrank?  Dude, that's one episode.  Definitely not enough to justify as a character flaw.

I don't want to sound rude, but I whole heartedly disagree with everything you just said Stopwatch.  Shinichi has like no trade-offs...for example, absolutely brilliant, but perhaps not as adequate athletically or physically.  Nope, Shinichi is one of the smartest blokes in DC world and is at a level of professional athlete (almost got recruited by some soccer team, I forgot the name).  And the reason why he's such a good athlete?  Not because he has a passion for sports.  His reason is "oh yah I gotta sharpen my reflexes as a detective! I know, I'll pickup soccer!" *Becomes top world soccer player.  Quits playing.  

Not being musically savvy or not good at reading girl's feelings don't count as legitimate character flaws.  They are so tiny and minor in comparison to all his strengths it can't even be held in contrast.

For example: Kogorou is a good character of someone with good strengths and good flaws.  Obviously, he's a slacker/drunkard who relies on his daughter as a maid.  From the naked eye, he acts kind of like a dotard, with his constant physical abuse of Conan, and "disrespect" for his currently seperated wife.  However, Kogorou, when he puts his mind to it, or if it's on a relevant subject that interests him, shows his genius.  Multiple times he figures out cases even before Conan, which utterly shocks him.  Plus, his love for his daughter and true adoration for Eri shows that he truly is a honest man with honorable intentions and ethics.  The transition he can go from being a total goofball to a wise detective is admirable.