Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby sstimson » November 6th, 2011, 2:45 am

1.she didn't see Conan acting as Haibara (He had mask off when Ran came from the trunk where she heard only gunshots and no conversation)

You can not say that as a fact. We simple do not know exactly what see saw and heard. We do know Ran followed in the trunk. And that she was following Haibara. When she protected Haibara with her body she might have seen Conan as well in his Haibara clothes and reliesed why.

She just really needs to see something that changes his voice
and Voila!

again not really. Think about it she was watching Conan dressed as Haibara and talking then as Haibara, otherwise why would Jodie Pick up. Also he does talk to Jodie in Chapter 432 Page 4. So if Ran did see him both times, and maybe hear him him both times, she might know he got such a thing. Either way she should have as least hear haibara cough from him and later him as his self.
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby Divin » November 6th, 2011, 7:17 am

I agree, that Ran falling for Conan's deceptions over and over might seem unlikely for us "all-knowing" (quotations marks, because - thank god i might add - we don't know everything) viewers, but until she gets hold of a real explanation, i.e. APTX 4869, her surpassing the level of 'just-suspicion' is also unlikely.

My concern is, that Ran knowing the truth won't benefit the story, because let's be honest: how would the everyday case look like with her being aware of Shinichi's situation? I don't see that working out on a longterm basis. This isn't something you can put on hold for a few cases like her suspicions.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want her to stay ignorant until the end or just learning the truth after Shinichi gets back to normal. I hope she plays an important role in the final battle, because otherwise she would be a highly redundant female lead. I also want to see how the dynamics change between her and Conan, when she learns the truth. But her knowing for what might still be 5 (real) years, I can't see that working.

So, to get to the topic at hand: the next suspicion arc:

First of all I hope we will see her suspicious for a considerable amount of time. Until now she often got some clues, had few doubtful thoughts and out of nowhere we got to a climax, where Conan successfully  plays a trick on her. At least that's my opinion.

Furthermore I hope the next suspicion arc will coincide with a BO arc, for multiple reasons:
1. It gave her the opportunity and time to search for some further clues or - Gosho forbid - evidence.
2. Conan would be occupied with the BO, making it easier for Ran to actually find something, because if we are honest: Ran vs Conan(100%) is somewhat of an uneven battle.
3. Ran suspicion + BO arc is more than enough reason to fly in Hattori and Kazuha!!! Both would make considerable contributions to the respective arcs, I guess.
4. The only possibility to get Conan and Shinichi in the same room with all other suspected conspirators (i.e. Hattori, Haibara, Agasa, Yukiko and Yusaku), to remove every shed of doubt, is Vermouth. I see enough problems with that, but feel free to list them. However I think the relationship between Ran and Vermouth should be further elaborated than a few missing bullets. And it would make for a great scene. Vermouth on arm's length for Conan's side to catch her, but then Ran would be the wiser. What to do, what to do?

On a rather unrelated note: I would like Sonoko to know before Ran, but being aware of the danger this might cause to Ran... making her a more complex character and the suspicion arcs more interesting.
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby Partsu » November 6th, 2011, 3:07 pm

I'm not awake enough to say anything to your other things but...
Sonoko knowing before Ran?
Are you kidding me?
NO-FREAKING-WAY!

but it would make her more complex and interesting character...but I just can't see it happening...
and I'm in camp that thinks Ran knows Conan=Shinichi in some level and for girl who believes in supernatural things shrinking humans is not so impossible...
and I believe it benefits the story whole lot...but the everyday cases...and everything else...well...akward? especially now as she knows that he likes her...
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby Divin » November 6th, 2011, 3:30 pm

Well... Sonoko isn't omnipresent, so her knowing would lead to some great stories around this matter without taking over the whole show. That is what I fear will and is supposed to happen, when Ran finds out. You can't just take a break from this afterwards.

But you are right: it is unlikely, despite the fact that she was stunned more than enough and should be cleverer than Kogoro. Maybe I am just annoyed by her being one-dimensional.

Regarding the other issue, you are absolutely right and I just phrased it really badly. Of course, the main storyline would benefit from this revelation. However every other case would probably suffer from it. There is comical potential, but it would be drained soon enough.
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby Partsu » November 6th, 2011, 4:50 pm

comic at first then it would normalize...
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby sargam » November 7th, 2011, 4:00 am

@Divin & Partsu....

I also think it won't be good for normal cases if ran knows the truth... so coinciding of ran-knows-truth arc with BO final arc... it's quite probable.... maybe that's why gosho is wrapping up all those love stories these days....so are we nearing the end?

but that will mean no progress in Shinran >:(

will ran make us wait for her answer for another five years... or is it that she'll confess & later on discover the truth... honestly i don't see that happening.... so maybe gosho will show Ran is suspicious & hence stalling Shinichi.... until the end when she finds the final proof.... i think she can use Kazuha's help instead of Sonoko....

i can see that happening.... ran in a place where she shouldn't be because she was investigating... but later on taken up as a hostage by BO.... what say?
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby angelranchan » November 7th, 2011, 6:04 am

ran in b.o: ran will kill shinichi... >:D
angel vs. silver bullet (sounds impossible!!! xDDD)
ran as bait for shinichi(silver bullet that might destroy b.o)..so..if b.o will kidnap ran..ran will probably become their shield from silver bullet's destruction (xDDD don't mind me!! xDD i'm out of my mind!!! >:D)

so..before ran knows the truth(but i think she already knows?? :-] :3) B.O first... xDD

Gin will show to Ran who is Conan xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I told you..I'm out of my mind..that's why thinking of this crazy ideas...xDD
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby Sato » November 29th, 2011, 7:21 am

I don't know will it happen. o_O
Other than Eisuke, Conan would like Takagi know the truth one day.
Satou is the best candidate for Ran to confide with while she can keep her head together.
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby angelranchan » November 29th, 2011, 7:29 am

^ i told you i'm out of my mind..when reading my post "wtf?! *facepalm" didn't know that i post that
sato + ran  ::) hmmm..
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby redangelran » November 29th, 2011, 8:01 am

PokerFace312 wrote:As you said, I believe that the next suspicion arc could very well be the last. It seems to me like Gosho is slowly building up evidence for Ran, such as the figerprints and the fact that Shinichi just happened to be in London, in a way that won't make her immdiatly suspiciou but will lead her to slowly suspect the truth.


agree with this!! you took the words outta my mouth! ;D
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Re: Disection of Ran-suspicion-arcs

Postby Sato » November 29th, 2011, 8:06 am

angelranchan wrote:^ i told you i'm out of my mind..when reading my post "wtf?! *facepalm" didn't know that i post that
sato + ran  ::) hmmm..


You didn't, I was just making guesswork.

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