Detective Conan Movie 16: "The Eleventh Striker" (2012)

[Divin]

While I am not content with the title, although I expected some use of the word 'strike', this poster gives us material to do what this topic was about speculations!

1. For all not familiar with this beautiful sport: three is usually the limit for strikers in one team. Thus we can assume either 11 victims or 11 culprits, which frankly makes more sense as a striker is concerned with attack. Hence we are probably talking about a small organization / terrorist group.

2. Despite Haibara being the only BIG-Fan in the DB on this poster Mitsuhiko is shown to wear a jersey of said team. This suggests that the animation team has boarded the Ai x Mitsuhiko train. This displeases me even more than the uninspired name of the movie.

3. Their absence in the poster raises doubt to the presence of the following persons in the movie: BO (what a surprise ), FBI (I am shocked...), Kaito Kid, Heiji and Kazuha...

4. The movie apparently strongly includes the DB. [sarcasm] Great! I think they were highly underrepresented in the last movies! [/sarcasm] Hopefully at least Haibara gets more screentime and action.

Your thoughts?

[Wakarimashita]

1. For all not familiar with this beautiful sport: three is usually the limit for strikers in one team. Thus we can assume either 11 victims or 11 culprits, which frankly makes more sense as a striker is concerned with attack. Hence we are probably talking about a small organization / terrorist group.

Wasn't aware of that (not a huge fan of soccer, to say the least), thanks for the info.

2. Despite Haibara being the only BIG-Fan in the DB on this poster Mitsuhiko is shown to wear a jersey of said team. This suggests that the animation team has boarded the Ai x Mitsuhiko train. This displeases me even more than the uninspired name of the movie.

Which is a bit weird since, if I remember correctly, Mitsuhiko is a fan of the Tokyo Spirits. I don't mind Ai x Mitsuhiko, as long as it's somehow subtle (like in that case with the bears) and doesn't take up half of the movie. Besides, the poster also seems to suggest some Ai x Conan, so everybody should be happy.

3. Their absence in the poster raises doubt to the presence of the following persons in the movie: BO (what a surprise ), FBI (I am shocked...), Kaito Kid, Heiji and Kazuha...

13-5 = 8, 16-13 =3. It's way too early for another BO movie. Besides, the last one sucked. Obviously no BO = No FBI.
Kaito Kid was in movie 14, so it's too early as well. And movie 14 was even worse than movie 13.
Same for Heiji and Kazuha, though their presence wouldn't bother me as much as the BO's or Kid's.

4. The movie apparently strongly includes the DB. [sarcasm] Great! I think they were highly underrepresented in the last movies! [/sarcasm] Hopefully at least Haibara gets more screentime and action.

As long as they actually serve some kind of purpose, I can tolerate them. Besides, they weren't that annoying in movie 15.

[Divin]

Which is a bit weird since, if I remember correctly, Mitsuhiko is a fan of the Tokyo Spirits. I don't mind Ai x Mitsuhiko, as long as it's somehow subtle (like in that case with the bears) and doesn't take up half of the movie. Besides, the poster also seems to suggest some Ai x Conan, so everybody should be happy.

There are probably some ShinRan-Fans who would disagree, but then again it isn't canon so maybe they don't care.

I don't mind Mitsuhiko having a crush on Haibara. My problem is that Ai's feelings for Conan just stopped without explanation, without struggle. That is probably more a canonical discussion, but I liked her (probably hopeless) quest for Conan.

13-5 = 8, 16-13 =3. It's way too early for another BO movie. Besides, the last one sucked. Obviously no BO = No FBI.
Kaito Kid was in movie 14, so it's too early as well. And movie 14 was even worse than movie 13.
Same for Heiji and Kazuha, though their presence wouldn't bother me as much as the BO's or Kid's.

By your mathematical logic we have to wait till 2017 for a next BO movie. Might be for the best since there is no main story development in movies and we know at the beginning that all is peachy at the end. Though I can see it working with BO vs FBI + Conan in an 'Ocean's Eleven'-like scenario where at the end is shown how Conan tricked them all.

I actually enjoyed Movie 14, but as far as Kid is concerned we need a plot like 'The wizard of the last century' again.

And I didn't expect the mentioned groups and individuals to get a part,  just stating the obvious  .

However I hoped Heiji and Kazuha would be involved with Heiji actually being part of the deduction process. In Movie 14 he wasn't even Robin to Conan's Batman. He was merely Alfred, which when I think about it makes sense: they both have an awesome accent  .

As long as they actually serve some kind of purpose, I can tolerate them. Besides, they weren't that annoying in movie 15.

I don't really mind them either. I mean they belong to the ensemble of a DC movie. Whom would Agasa ask his riddles that I can't solve myself due to a complete lack of knowledge of the Japanese language.
It's just that every minute they get is a minute less they could use on amazing guest stars like Heiji and Kazuha. And it's not like we don't get enough of the DB in the anime...

[ShinRan4ver]

From the poster, this is probably going to be at a pretty big Soccer match between B1G and Toyko Spirit, maybe another Emperor Cup(that was when they played in 130-131). BO movies were fine, every single Kid movie after #3 stunk so bad that I never want to see them again(the Kid appearing as Shinichi in front of Conan then go way over the line to flirt with Ran part drives me up a wall, especially 14). So I wouldn't mind BO movie, but not another Kid movie. Heiji and Kazuha I wouldn't mind.

[Wakarimashita]

There are probably some ShinRan-Fans who would disagree, but then again it isn't canon so maybe they don't care.

I don't mind Mitsuhiko having a crush on Haibara. My problem is that Ai's feelings for Conan just stopped without explanation, without struggle. That is probably more a canonical discussion, but I liked her (probably hopeless) quest for Conan.

Having some ShinRan stuff is pretty much a given in every movie, unlike Ai x Mitsuhiko or Ai x Conan.

Canonical discussion indeed. All they can is what they did in movie 4 'I love you...just kidding'. Major character development in movies is pretty much unheard of and doen't even matter since it's not canon.

By your mathematical logic we have to wait till 2017 for a next BO movie. Might be for the best since there is no main story development in movies and we know at the beginning that all is peachy at the end. Though I can see it working with BO vs FBI + Conan in an 'Ocean's Eleven'-like scenario where at the end is shown how Conan tricked them all.

My point was more : '8 years passed between movie 5 and movie 13 so hoping for another BO movie after just 3 years is wishful thinking'. Besides, as I said since the last BO movie was bad (I prefer when the movies don't ruin the characters), I'd rather not see that again. Plus, as you mentioned, BO movies are indeed very predictable (even more than the normal movies).

I actually enjoyed Movie 14, but as far as Kid is concerned we need a plot like 'The wizard of the last century' again.

And I didn't expect the mentioned groups and individuals to get a part,  just stating the obvious  .

However I hoped Heiji and Kazuha would be involved with Heiji actually being part of the deduction process. In Movie 14 he wasn't even Robin to Conan's Batman. He was merely Alfred, which when I think about it makes sense: they both have an awesome accent  .

Indeed. 'The Last Wizard of the Century' is probably the best movie along 2 and 4 (IMO), and the only movie where having guests such as Kid and Heiji didn't rime with massive fanservice. I we could have another movie like that, I'd sign immediatly. Having Heiji and Kazuha or Kid is fine when it serves the progression of the story, unfortunately it looks like they don't know what that means anymore.

I don't really mind them either. I mean they belong to the ensemble of a DC movie. Whom would Agasa ask his riddles that I can't solve myself due to a complete lack of knowledge of the Japanese language.
It's just that every minute they get is a minute less they could use on amazing guest stars like Heiji and Kazuha. And it's not like we don't get enough of the DB in the anime...

Remember that these movies are also aimed at kids (kids and their parents are very profitable targets) so it's no wonder you're going to have quite a few scenes with the DBs. Besides, a good movie is one which is well balanced : some screen time for the DB and some screen time for the potential guests. Of course, that screen time is more welcome when it somehow serves the movie, even though I realize the DB like the guests sometimes have a comic role, they can't only be used for that.
We get a lot of DB episodes in the anime because they're characters which can be used for the fillers, unlike Heiji and Kazuha (except for the 2009 Mystery Tour).

 

[Divin]

Remember that these movies are also aimed at kids (kids and their parents are very profitable targets) so it's no wonder you're going to have quite a few scenes with the DBs.

I do tend to forget this fact. Mainly because I don't consider crime series appropriate for children (even in Anime), not because I believe children couldn't handle it, but most parents don't make the effort to explain their children the limits of Anime or TV-shows in general (my opinion).
Besides the DB-trio shouldn't be considered a role model for children as they promote obesity (Genta), narcissistic attitudes (Ayumi: "Ayumi wants ... !") and reckless behaviour (all three and even Conan). 
But of course you are right: underneath all those ridiculous reasons for murder ("Why did you kill him, xxx-chan?" - "He said Detective Conan is a stupid anime!") it is and remains a series for children (or at least for grown-ups who like to maintain a bit child in themselves).

We get a lot of DB episodes in the anime because they're characters which can be used for the fillers, unlike Heiji and Kazuha (except for the 2009 Mystery Tour).

Why is that? (I know: off-topic)
Is there an agreement that states that the animation studio is only allowed to use certain characters in Anime originals or are they just not good enough to come up with a story that wouldn't (/ couldn't possibly) interfere with the main arcs?

[Charlotte-Holmes]

Remember that these movies are also aimed at kids (kids and their parents are very profitable targets) so it's no wonder you're going to have quite a few scenes with the DBs.

I do tend to forget this fact. Mainly because I don't consider crime series appropriate for children (even in Anime), not because I believe children couldn't handle it, but most parents don't make the effort to explain their children the limits of Anime or TV-shows in general (my opinion).
Besides the DB-trio shouldn't be considered a role model for children as they promote obesity (Genta), narcissistic attitudes (Ayumi: "Ayumi wants ... !") and reckless behaviour (all three and even Conan). 
But of course you are right: underneath all those ridiculous reasons for murder ("Why did you kill him, xxx-chan?" - "He said Detective Conan is a stupid anime!") it is and remains a series for children (or at least for grown-ups who like to maintain a bit child in themselves).

[Kor]

2. Despite Haibara being the only BIG-Fan in the DB on this poster Mitsuhiko is shown to wear a jersey of said team. This suggests that the animation team has boarded the Ai x Mitsuhiko train. This displeases me even more than the uninspired name of the movie.

Which is a bit weird since, if I remember correctly, Mitsuhiko is a fan of the Tokyo Spirits. I don't mind Ai x Mitsuhiko, as long as it's somehow subtle (like in that case with the bears) and doesn't take up half of the movie. Besides, the poster also seems to suggest some Ai x Conan, so everybody should be happy.

The poster suggests? The poster is usually as trustworthy as the trailer (if not less). It's really too early to draw such conclusions.

[Wakarimashita]

2. Despite Haibara being the only BIG-Fan in the DB on this poster Mitsuhiko is shown to wear a jersey of said team. This suggests that the animation team has boarded the Ai x Mitsuhiko train. This displeases me even more than the uninspired name of the movie.

Which is a bit weird since, if I remember correctly, Mitsuhiko is a fan of the Tokyo Spirits. I don't mind Ai x Mitsuhiko, as long as it's somehow subtle (like in that case with the bears) and doesn't take up half of the movie. Besides, the poster also seems to suggest some Ai x Conan, so everybody should be happy.

The poster suggests? The poster is usually as trustworthy as the trailer (if not less). It's really too early to draw such conclusions.

And the poster not necessarily being trustworthy means it can't seem to suggest anything ?

[IHKF]

2. This suggests that the animation team has boarded the Ai x Mitsuhiko train.

4. The movie apparently strongly includes the DB.

Your thoughts?

*Has a field day and parties* WOO HOO! Another movie centered around the DB with my second-favorite couple! Told you all it was possible.  ;D

[sonoci]

Uh, not to sink any boats

But it could also be that Gosho didn't want Haibara to be the only one on her team  If anyone else had been wearing the Osaka shirt, there'd be comments like "Oh, Haibara x Ayumi" or "YAY! Conan x Ai!" or "...Oh hey, Genta's on Ai's team".


In short: it is a poster. What's more, it is a poster that has been made almost a full five months before the movie hits the theaters. That's almost five months of development and animation and script changes.

The poster, while very beautiful, really doesn't mean much other than "GET READY FOR HYPE!"

[IHKF]

Uh, not to sink any boats

But it could also be that Gosho didn't want Haibara to be the only one on her team  If anyone else had been wearing the Osaka shirt, there'd be comments like "Oh, Haibara x Ayumi" or "YAY! Conan x Ai!" or "...Oh hey, Genta's on Ai's team".


In short: it is a poster. What's more, it is a poster that has been made almost a full five months before the movie hits the theaters. That's almost five months of development and animation and script changes.

The poster, while very beautiful, really doesn't mean much other than "GET READY FOR HYPE!"

Well it's been a while since they have had some AyuCon or MitsuAi in a movie- they better darn give fanservice to ALL FANBASES! XD

[Wakarimashita]

Or not give any fanservice at all. *wishful thinking*

[IHKF]

Or not give any fanservice at all. *wishful thinking*

Hey, they're perfect material for AMV's and such.

Not to mention Gosho doesn't write enough of it, in my opinion.

[Wakarimashita]

Or not give any fanservice at all. *wishful thinking*

Hey, they're perfect material for AMV's and such.

Not to mention Gosho doesn't write enough of it, in my opinion.

I never watch AMVs, so I couldn't care less.

Thankfully, most of the fanservice is in the movies or the OVAs, and I'm hoping it stays that way (or even less fanservice, it they can...), because everytime Gosho gives people fanservice, I want to hit my head against the wall really hard (for example that onsen case was just awful).