2011 September Anime Episodes Schedule COMPLETED!!! (3 AO, 1

[Wakarimashita]

I don't see any case which is likely to be shortened, so I assume it's going to be an AO or a remastered episode. Frankly, I'm quite happy to see that the AOs are back (with a 2 parter !) since we haven't had one in 6 months. Despite their weaknesses, it's at least interesting to watch something where you don't know precisely what's going to happen.

[sonoci]

True to that  And since there's a two parter, it's more likely to be one of a higher quality. If the missing spot is another AO, I guess I'll have to hope it either follows the two parter's steps (if the two parter's a good one) or tries to do something different and unique to stand out on its own (if the two parter turns out...less than good)

[Jd-]

What I don't get is why MK has suddenly been ripped of its right to have 'real' magic. It isn't Detective Conan. It's Magic Kaitou. Magic Kaitou...it's even in the title.

Foremost: We both know that the two brands of magic there are completely and utterly different. The "magic" in "Magic Kaito" refers to "the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc." The "magic" we are referring to here is "the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies."

Now, as I said before: These two universes will never be consolidated. Read below for what I mean.

Simply put: Everybody has to forgive the sorcery in Magic Kaito and pretend, when Kid shows up in Conan, that Kid doesn't come from a universe where that's possible. As much as we'd all like it to be one cohesive universe, there is and always will be a clear dichotomy there until Gosho makes an effort to outright prove otherwise.

That's just how it is. No real points to argue when it comes to that.

However!

That is not really where the debate stands. Just before that, in the same post, I said the following:

But if "magic" of that sense does exist in Conan's universe, the entire thing comes unraveled. The entire series is based not just on it not existing in that universe but it being impossible for it to exist. The "unfortunate (?)" truth of the matter is that the two worlds will never be completely consolidated.

When you try to merge the universes, you are introducing a litany of issues. I take no offense to the Magic Kaito series having magic of the wizardry sort, but I do feel compelled to comment (which was why I posted here at all) that there is no such thing as wizardry or sorcery in the actual Detective Conan universe and there never will be. Those concepts are not compatible with the actual world, where Conan's universe is technically set. It isn't that they haven't been "discovered" yet--it's just that they don't exist. Commenting on this issue is the only reason I bothered to post on the subject, as I think it's the only real argument to be had here (the rest is purely opinion).

I will donate $1,000 USD of my own money to a psychic training foundation if Gosho, in the future, includes an example of actual sorcery in a case of Detective Conan that isn't a dream and is stated as absolute, unquestionable, "logical" fact in the mystery in question and is not disqualified in any way by Conan or another actual detective come case's end--all while being set in Conan's usual, reality-bound universe. So, if Conan ever has actual sorcery that is not explained away or disqualified in any way, I'll gladly pay up, because that'll also be the day I abandon ship.

[Mead]

The entire main plot of MK is Kid is trying to find a magical jewel. Can you really come up with a rational explanation for how a large jewel under moonlight can produce a immortality potion when a comet passes by?

If you're going to nitpick Akako, then you're going to have to do the same to many aspects of MK. Clockwork Heart for one.

They are never going to be consolidated, just crossover. Gosho has said in an interview that Kid probably won't get involved in the main plot of DC by the end.

Edited because I remembered the interview better >___>

[GinRei]

The entire main plot of MK is Kid is trying to find a magical jewel. Can you really come up with a rational explanation for how a large jewel under moonlight can produce a immortality potion when a comet passes by?

If you're going to nitpick Akako, then you're going to have to do the same to many aspects of MK. Clockwork Heart for one.

Neither of those aspects are currently in the anime.  The manga existed well before Conan, so it gets a relative pass.

They are never going to be consolidated, just crossover.

This would be more believable if they didn't start specifically reference the other.

[aly_angelflight]

Besides, Akako is labeled as the last black witch. Unless we have some other type of witch/spellcaster show up, we can pretty much assume that Akako is  the only person capable of using "real" magic. ^^;

[Mead]

Neither of those aspects are currently in the anime.  The manga existed well before Conan, so it gets a relative pass.

Flawed logic. First your using the anime as the highest rule (since the MK manga is being adapted), but when if you do that, then I have to bring up the various times Kid has obviously checked jewels and implied he's looking for Pandora, and of course the OVA of Crystal Mother. You can say it doesn't count, but it is anime. That OVA and these specials are in the exact same level of "continuity"

And going by the manga and your logic than the "intolerable" existence of magic has existed since Kid first appeared, because his existence has implied Akako's magic, and since then. But again, Kid's story is his own and shouldn't have to be bound by DC rules.

This would be more believable if they didn't start specifically reference the other.

They reference one another BECAUSE they cross over occasionally.

[Wakarimashita]

They reference one another BECAUSE they cross over occasionally.

+1

Just because references exist doesn't mean the universes have to work the same way or are even the same, for that matter . Yaiba was introduced in the first OVA which apparently was based on a Magic Kaito chapter. Does that mean that the Yaiba world and the Kid world are the same ? Of course not. Since we've had Yaiba in MK and Kid in DC, using that logic would mean that all 3 worlds are one and only, which of course is absurd.

[HADAA]

I still don't comprehend why arguing/discussing about it will make any difference to the anime staff  :-\
If it turns out they recton Akako and explain away her magic as mere tricks, okay, DC consistency preserved.
If they faithfully recreate Akako's magic, well, we survived OVA 8, and it will be just another amusing break from the usual DC seriousness.
Either way I don't care, just think of it as another special setting. Like the DC live actions. Oh yes the live actions

[GinRei]

Flawed logic. First your using the anime as the highest rule (since the MK manga is being adapted), but when if you do that, then I have to bring up the various times Kid has obviously checked jewels and implied he's looking for Pandora, and of course the OVA of Crystal Mother. You can say it doesn't count, but it is anime. That OVA and these specials are in the exact same level of "continuity"

It's not flawed.  You're bringing manga information into the anime due to hints dropped in the anime.  Normally this would be fine, but since it creates logic-holes you have to look at it with a more discerning eye.

They reference one another BECAUSE they cross over occasionally.

No, that's not how it works.  They didn't reference each other until just recently.  You know, the current MK case where it specifically says to read Conan to see what happened next?

Just because references exist doesn't mean the universes have to work the same way or are even the same, for that matter . Yaiba was introduced in the first OVA which apparently was based on a Magic Kaito chapter. Does that mean that the Yaiba world and the Kid world are the same ? Of course not. Since we've had Yaiba in MK and Kid in DC, using that logic would mean that all 3 worlds are one and only, which of course is absurd.

Yaiba does exist in DC-animeverse.  As a manga.  Because OVA 1 was a dream caused by Conan reading a manga.

Like the DC live actions. Oh yes the live actions

Well, that's another beast all together. 

[Mead]

It's not flawed.  You're bringing manga information into the anime due to hints dropped in the anime.  Normally this would be fine, but since it creates logic-holes you have to look at it with a more discerning eye.

The logic hole is the point, MK will always never mesh completely because you have to look at it as a crossover situation. For example, if all anime material is fair game, Then Conan vs. Lupin III opens up an insane amount times where logic doesn't work. But it doesn't matter because that was two worlds meshing, MK works like that, but on a more regular basis.

The point is, I don't think they'll retool her because they aren't adapting these chapters to DC, they are just updating/animating them as if it was a MK anime.

They reference one another BECAUSE they cross over occasionally.


No, that's not how it works.  They didn't reference each other until just recently.  You know, the current MK case where it specifically says to read Conan to see what happened next?

This happened in the Black Star Chapters of MK (A MK leading into a DC), and was eventually animated. The new chapters don't change anything.

[Citra Zaoldyeck]

thanks filler..... i will skip you now :V

[shihokudo]

so much MK :O

[Dark Ren]

Just re-read the MK vol 4 to see Kudo Shinichi there. At chapter 4 Akako is trying to use her magic. and I do remember these 2 chapter is animated in Conan eps 219. but I don`t remember if in 219 Akako use her magic or not.

[Wakarimashita]

I don't think she uses it.