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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Brekclub85 » July 31st, 2011, 3:42 pm

-If Conan, Ran, and Kogoro go somewhere, not only will they encounter a murder, but if they aren't intending to meet any specific people, they will always meet up with the people who end up being the victim, culprit, and other suspects.
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Postby pemolalinifun » July 31st, 2011, 4:20 pm

- Each  code is always based on a logical  thought. It is impossible that someone invents a code made ​​up of random words or numbers, and with their deduction skills, the detectives  always manage to crack the code
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby pofa » July 31st, 2011, 5:36 pm

-Nobody drops things on the ground, tracks dirt anywhere, or makes scratches on doors/railings except murderers.
-College clubs are a bad idea.
-All murderers break down crying when they're cornered by the Truth (looking forward to Gin doing this).
-Japan's homicide, suicide, and accidental death rate skyrocketed alarmingly "3 years ago."
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Detective Tommy » July 31st, 2011, 8:28 pm

pofa wrote:-All murderers break down crying when they're cornered by the Truth (looking forward to Gin doing this).

I honestly don't understand why the culprits always end up confessing. I've seen some cases (I need to think about which ones), where Conan's evidence can be argued. I just want to see, at least once, a case where the culprit doesn't confess and is actually the culprit. :P

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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Brekclub85 » August 1st, 2011, 1:51 pm

With a few exceptions, murderers are generally better people than their victims.
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Kleene Onigiri » August 1st, 2011, 5:43 pm

Wakarimashita wrote:-The person who smokes is generally either the victim or the culprit.


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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby dilbertschalter » August 1st, 2011, 5:46 pm

Brekclub85 wrote:With a few exceptions, murderers are generally better people than their victims.



this is not true!
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Brekclub85 » August 1st, 2011, 6:13 pm

dilbertschalter wrote:
Brekclub85 wrote:With a few exceptions, murderers are generally better people than their victims.



this is not true!


Ok, to be fair, I'll phrase it this way: Murderers are generally less despicable than their victims.
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Dwalin » August 1st, 2011, 6:33 pm

dilbertschalter wrote:
Brekclub85 wrote:With a few exceptions, murderers are generally better people than their victims.



this is not true!

Yes it is. Why not? The victims are cold hearted criminals, the murderers act out of despair.
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Stopwatch » August 1st, 2011, 6:53 pm

Brekclub85 wrote:
dilbertschalter wrote:
Brekclub85 wrote:With a few exceptions, murderers are generally better people than their victims.



this is not true!


Ok, to be fair, I'll phrase it this way: Murderers are generally less despicable than their victims.

Yeah, it seems to be the case most of the time, the only exception I can come up with off the top of my head is the bomber from the Matsuda case.
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Wakarimashita » August 1st, 2011, 7:11 pm

As well as the lady from the Fûrinkazan case. Oh, and the young woman from the Shiratori love case seemed just as despicable as the person she murdered.
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby dilbertschalter » August 1st, 2011, 7:33 pm

in quite a few of cases, the motive is "he/she dumped me in a rude way".

maybe it's just me, but pre-meditated murder (pretty much every murder in DC is thought over and planned in advance) is a lot worse than being a jerk. it's also a lot worse than blackmail, stealing money, or accidentally causing someone's death, to name some of the other deeds perpetrated by victims. i'll refer to a post i made some time ago on this topic regarding the justifiability of the murders. slightly different topic, but i think the list also makes it clear that idea that murderers in DC are great dudes and that victims are mean and bad is fiction.

Spoiler: 1-40
1: He dumped her. Not the best reason to murder someone.
8: He was going to demolish the nice art gallery. Sorry, not a good reason.
9: His novel was published instead of the murderer's. Yeah... ok.
11: Ok, these guys were pretty bad, no denying it. Worth noting that the person they killed was hardly an angel (that is important by your own logic!).
13: They were involved in a criminal gang, killed by the leader. The dude was an all around awful person.
15: He was blackmailing/freeloading (murderer was a bad dude too).
16: He sold something that had been given as collateral. He was clearly a nasty guy, but killing someone because they sell something to pay off part of your debt to them?
18: Her father hit the (attempted) murderer's mother while he was chasing a suspect... so he tries to kill her. Yeah, ok.
20: He berated the murderer, called him a failure. Not very nice I guess, but...
22-23: One victim refused to let the murderer be with the murderer (who was a nutter) and the other was killed as part of the coverup attempt. Murderer way in the wrong here.
27-28: She was quite mean to him, sending him rude letters, pulling his chain, being generally nasty. Not even a criminal though.
31: He sort of scammed the murderer- took credit for his idea then tried to fire him. Not very nice, but hardly horrible.
32: She was having an affair with the victim, wanted to get married, murderer didn't want people know. Obviously murder not justified.
34-35: She stole the idea for a script from a friend of the murderer who then committed suicide. Unless you're into people being omniscient, calling her a murderer or the like is silly.
39-40: They certainly did a bad thing, but it was a rather desperate situation and someone was probably going to die regardless. I'll call this one borderline.


Spoiler: 100-140
102-103: She was having an affair and the murderer wanted life insurance. Yeah, not feeling much sympathy here.
114-115: Taking away the guy the (attempted) murderer wanted and being sort of rude. Mean, but does that justify trying to kill someone?
118: They were involved in a (very dumb and dangerous) prank that went awry. Certainly was quite bad, but hardly justifies killing them I would say. It's also worth noting that what the murderer thought to be "the truth" he extracted while pointing a gun at someone's face, hardly the most reliable method of information gathering (people pressed that hard will say anything).
121-122: She "stole" the murderer's boyfriend... except she didn't really. Not that that would a justification anyway, but even that terrible reason doesn't work here.
132-134: Making fun of the murderer's grandfather who died performing a dangerous trick. Tasteless to be sure...
136-137: The murders alluded to are committed in pursuit of treasure.
138-139: He was partly responsible for a movie theater having to go out of business. Bad, but not exactly the worst.


Spoiler: 200-240
212-213: He hunted in a somewhat cruel way. Animal cruelty is bad, sure. Not a good justification.
217-218: They dressed similarly to someone who had done something bad. Terrible reason.
220-221: He was spending lots of money and selling all the murderer's stuff. Not a good guy, but hardly a killer.
222-224: They were looking for the secret of eternal life and were responsible for the death of the elder. Bad people, can debate or whether they deserved die or not, but they certainly deserved very harsh punishment.
226-227: He 'forced' (didn't actually force) the murderer's sister to work really hard and barely eat, so she got vitamin A deficiency and went blind. No, doesn't fly. Dude was annoying, but not that bad.
228-229: He was having an affair with someone while he was engaged to the murderer's daughter and the daughter committed suicide. This a a good example of the problem with the "very much real" statement; the deaths are real- but someone committing suicide because of bad circumstances is not close the same as someone being murdered.
238-239: He wrote mean things about the murderer, which made the murderer's lose it; no not a good enough reason.


Spoiler: 300-340
305-306: He was being a lout. Not feeling it.
307-308: He didn't do the job the murderer was expecting him to do. Certainly an unethical fellow, but don't see it.
316-317: Quoth the murderer: "I wanted to be Wolf Face." I think that sums it up well.
325-327: She was threatening to divorce and kick out the murderer. How cruel.
329-330: She was exploiting the murder to a degree, misusing her trust and deceiving her. Mean I guess, but hardly the worst.
331-332: He was a bad guy and was fairly responsible for the death of the murderer's wife. Quite bad, still wouldn't say he is a murderer, though one can argue that.
333-334: He messed up something that the murderer was sentimental about. As usual, no.
335-336: "He ruined the perfect scene" were the murderers own wrds. No, that doesn't work.
338-339: Was responsible for a race/battle where the murderer's brother died and the murderer was hurt. Quite bad, though would call him more of an idiot than anything else.


Spoiler: 400-440
401-402: He was effectively blackmailing the murderer. Bad, a crime, but as is the refrain now, hardly justification for murder.
406-408: She stole something valuable and was rather glory hungry and mean. Worse than most, but didn't deserve death for sure.
411-412: The murderer cheated to get into school and the victim threatened to reveal it. Yeah, lol.
415-417: The victim was a complete and total scumbag. Whether or not killing him was ok depends on your worldview, but it's obvious he deserved to be punished harshly.
429-430: She didn't really love him, just wanted him to do stuff for her. Give me a break...


Spoiler: 500-540
501-503: He "overworked" the murderer's girlfriend to death- that is something quite difficult to prove and it's also something one could easily assume out of anger without knowing all the facts.
505-506: He dumped her, in a rather mean way. Sorry, doesn't count.
507-508: Definitely a bad guy, a murderer and not repentant. Same issue as brought up before, but understandable.
513-514: Not at all, victim was overworked and involved in some vaguely shady stuff.
516-517: Money was the motive.
521-522: The murderer was completely and totally of his rocker.
523: Similar to an earlier one, victim responsible for deadly race battle, though he actually was remorseful unlike the other guy. Bad dude, not awful.
524-525: He was a really nasty dude who didn't help someone in need. Not helping someone in trouble is not the same murdering someone however.
528-529: He was having an affair. This seems to be somewhat of a recurring theme dare I say...
532-535: One of the murders is a serial killer who kills for fun, the other is the one who killed him. Obviously two different kinds shown (I'm counting both because both cases are solved in these episodes)


i think the reason people have a problem with this issue is that the murderers tend to get the last (meaningful) word in DC. in pretty much every case the action ends with the murderer tearily admitting guilt, so it's natural to feel sort of bad for them and, because they are confessing, to take what they say regarding the case and the victim as entirely true. many people in the world are desperate and meanly treated, yet somehow those people manage to avoid committing murders somehow!
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Brekclub85 » August 1st, 2011, 8:19 pm

I mean, I agree that murder is a terrible thing to do, the one case I can't help but think of is the Ski Lodge case (I believe it was 84-85). They killed a child, and they didn't seem to feel guilty.
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Re: Rules of a DC case/story.

Postby Dwalin » August 1st, 2011, 8:52 pm

Brekclub85 wrote:I mean, I agree that murder is a terrible thing to do, the one case I can't help but think of is the Ski Lodge case (I believe it was 84-85). They killed a child, and they didn't seem to feel guilty.

And that isn’t the only case of child murder committed by the victims in “Detective Conanâ€

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