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Jd- wrote: Movie 5 finale. I don't care what anybody (including Haibara) says--my favorite Conan movie or not, that had no basis in reality.

User 4869 wrote: Camel, sit in a car, wait a bomb on his shirt's pocket to goes off, and then jump of the car without anybody (who looking) notice.

Conan, Haibara's transform scene LoL.

Treyvoni wrote: Conan and Haibara de-aging is more a problem with biology than physics (after all, you gain and lose mass every day). Mostly because of the RATE at which they do so. Even eternal cancer cells (cancer cells that can divide seemingly indefinitely) cannot replicate that fast. As well, the toll that it would place on the cells in terms of energy needed would be astronomical. They should suffocate and starve at a cellular level. And that's just on the 'growing' part! (Which, as far as I understand is simply rapid aging)

'Shrinking' has even more problems. Unfortunately because I'm not really certain of the method of action I can't refute it. De-aging cells is not something that can be done or explained by current science.

dilbertschalter wrote: Yes, you gain and lose mass every day, but not to the degree that Conan and Haibara do. Where does the 35 kg of extra mass come from? Where does it go? You would need a truly immense amount of energy to effect such a transformation.

The whole Apotoxin plot in Detective Conan, which stated the Million To One Chance Fountain Of Youth (and for the other 999,999, poison) acted by initiating an uncontrollable cascade of apoptosis. The apoptosis thing is true, when explained. But where did Haibara and Conan get enough nutrients for their cells to multiply so quickly? And wouldn't their risk for cancer exponentially increase each time they take the antidote? Let alone the antidote... This is critical to the series, mind you.

    * Extensive fan research and investigation has been done into the workings of APTX-4869, and the science behind it is more or less sound, if bizarre and improbable. Apoptosis is the natural death cycle of cells. The toxin also causes, in the victims that survive the poison, activation of telomerase. The initial effect of the poison is easy to explain — the body heats up and the rapidly dying cells become vapor. Eventually, the rapid cell regeneration and rapid cell death balance and cancel each other out, resulting in the "turned into a child" effect. Since the cells of the body are then locked into a perpetual cycle of mitosis and apoptosis, and the dying cells are perfectly healthy, the dead cells are most likely re-absorbed by the new dividing cells as nutrients. Then the dividing cells die, and are absorbed by the next generation of cells, and so forth and so on, possibly for infinity. Going by the stated properties of the poison, and the uninterruptable cycle of mitosis and apoptosis with no reduction in telomere length, it's conceivable that any victim of APTX-4869 is effectively unaging—though trapped in their age-impaired form for the rest of their life.  *
      Don't ask where the temporary cures and the 200% increase in mass comes from, though.
          o Apoptosis on such a large scale would more than likely result in TLS in the initial phase of APTX-4869 in the scenario described above. Lengthened telomeres do jack-all for acute end-phase renal failure. On the other hand, we need a live protagonist...
    * And none of this explains why the new form would be identical to their actual past childhood form. But you've gotta admit, it's convenient.
    * Nor does explain the simultaneous and proportionate shrinkage in all the non-cellular components of the body, such as bone matrix or collagen fibers.