Shinichi playing the violin?

[kkslider5552000]

That incredibly stupid scene from movie 12 is like they were trying to get rid of the dumb, entertaining scenes from the other movies but got rid of the entertaining instead of the dumb.

[Nyarl]

The sad part is that I'm still saying the movie writers just make shit up to suit the plot without regard for continuity and that your hostility had nothing whatsoever to do with me double-checking these pages.
In fact, it almost made Trevyoni shy away from posting and telling me that Shinichi's theoretical knowledge is greater than I had remembered it to be. The fact that he couldn't play/sing an instrument if his life depended on it still stands. Which movie 12 clearly f***ed up.

I still don't know why volume 8 isn't taken as the explanation for his gaps in his musical training: His middle school teacher making his music classes a "living hell" soured him on the topic. The explicit reason she teased him wasn't because he couldn't play, BTW, it was because he resembled her childhood love. It's very dubious to claim that story proves he never learned ANY instrument, EVER.

[Dus]

She did torture him because he resembled her childhood love, but he still wasn't able to play at all. He Let
s say that didn't deter him from learning the violin - he would have had to start at a fairly early age though which doesn't seem likely considering how that incident stayed with him for that many years. And it is established in volume 15 that he cannot sing and in Movie 12 he can perfectly hit notes.

[Nyarl]

And it is established in volume 15 that he cannot sing and in Movie 12 he can perfectly hit notes.

I'm still trying to blot that scene out of my memory, or program myself into remembering him using his cell phone. It really was as close to being objectively awful as something like that can get*.

* I'll note here that movie 12 was the last movie I watched straight through. I DON'T follow writers I can't respect.

[kyuuketsuki]

Nyarl, I don't try to do that... I just think that his voice actor took over, and it is Minami that is actually singing, not the character. It was just a mistake on the voice actor's part to come out of character for that one scene and the director kept it in because it made the movie about 30 minutes shorter.

Also, it is not confirmed nor denied whether Shinichi can play an instrument. We know he can recognize notes, as well as read them. He also knows the keys of the piano. To me that tells that he did learn to play the piano. I'm a musician, but learned different instruments. Do I know the notes? Yes, but I can't play the piano due to the fact I cannot read the notes and correspond them to the keys. Shinichi can do that. Whether or not he is any good is a different story.

[Treyvoni]

I stand corrected, still doesn't mean he can play a musical instrument though.

I agree, he has never (to the best of my knowledge) canonically shown any practical (or applied) musical ability, although he is clearly well versed on his musical theory.

If anything, this thread has made me slightly re-evaluate my original stance. While I hold to the fact that it is still within the realm of possibility for him to know an instrument, the accumulating evidence suggests that it is unlikely or rudimentary.

The closest I can find is this in volume 46, chapter 05 page 78, about Shinichi's familiarity with violins. Now, I'm sure I remember a page from the manga that showed Yukiko poking away at the piano and teaching young Shinichi about some music basics, but I cannot find it. In addition, to source something we've been mentioning throughout this thread, the Stradivarius case in volume 46, file 474/chapter 6, page 17.

[Nyarl]

Now, I'm sure I remember a page from the manga that showed Yukiko poking away at the piano and teaching young Shinichi about some music basics, but I cannot find it. In addition, to source something we've been mentioning throughout this thread, the Stradivarius case in volume 46, file 474/chapter 6, page 17.

It's in the same case, last page of 46.5(473) and 13th page of 46.6(474). Not sure whether she was trying to teach him or he just asked her about chords while she was playing in general. (I think she was trying to teaching him the scale.)

Oh, that reminds me about being called crazy for being able to reference such things. (Just a joke, right? Nah, ya'll have earned my disrespect.... (Okay, "ya'll" is too broad, but I'm not really interested in specifying my list of haet beyond the general "folk who think their Haibara fanning is better writing than Aoyama's".))

[Treyvoni]

It's in the same case, last page of 46.5(473) and 13th page of 46.6(474). Not sure whether she was trying to teach him or he just asked her about chords while she was playing in general. (I think she was trying to teaching him the scale.)

Ah, now I feel blind, but no wonder it was familiar.

Yukiko taught some basics of piano to Shinichi, and this is really basic stuff. However, it is canon and a good reference for the topic.

[Dus]

Strangely enough, I think Conan is singing there, (46.5) or trying to since he's opening his mouth really wide.

[dilbertschalter]

Strangely enough, I think Conan is singing there, (46.5) or trying to since he's opening his mouth really wide.

Trying to hit the notes perhaps (I don't know anything about music)?

[kyuuketsuki]

yeah... not sure what yukiko is doing there... we know she is teaching him something musically, whether it is piano or vocals, I don't think we can tell.

[Suutashi]

I think the fact that there have been a few times that characters have called Shinichi and/or Conan tone deaf may not be necessarily a case of Gosho being a poor writer. The fact that characters are actually making mistakes that the audience themselves can point out is in my own opinion an example of good writing. When you have characters that are capable of making mistakes then you have characters that in some way flawed and thus are interesting; they may even be flawed in such a way that a viewer can relate to. As for Conan and Shinichi being terrible in terms of singing yet can have a real ear for music is something I can definitely see as possible. It's in a way like have someone who is a judge for a sporting event, say figure skating for example, but they themselves can't so much as step out onto the ice with skates on without falling of their rear.

[kyuuketsuki]

I relate to Shinichi on that one... I may not be as bad as he is... but I am no singer... I can play music, read music, and have a pretty good ear too, but singing has never been my strong suit....

Come to think of it... I'm like shinichi if he took up martial arts instead of soccer and wasn't so egotistical >_>... Oh hyping hell! I hate Shinichi >_>

And I agree, making believably flawed characters is something that only a skilled writer/story teller can do. And it makes the story more enjoyable.

[kkslider5552000]

I was gonna say that doesn't make him much of a flawed character outside of one fairly minor detail but than I remembered your brilliant essay-like post of Shinichi's character development and how his ego was a legit problem for him during Desperate Revival. That was easily one of the best things written on this forum ever.

This is really one of those things that I believe either Gosho's that good at subtle character...things and just subtlety in general (which seems like something good to know as a mystery writer) or we are all just thinking way too much. Or maybe both.

[kyuuketsuki]

I was gonna say that doesn't make him much of a flawed character outside of one fairly minor detail but than I remembered your brilliant essay-like post of Shinichi's character development and how his ego was a legit problem for him during Desperate Revival. That was easily one of the best things written on this forum ever.

This is really one of those things that I believe either Gosho's that good at subtle character...things and just subtlety in general (which seems like something good to know as a mystery writer) or we are all just thinking way too much. Or maybe both.

Holy hell, you actually remembered that?! That was a long time ago... -goes to search for it-

For those wondering what kkslider is referring to the two posts are here and here. With the second one being where I basically broke down how fail Shinichi is during desperate revival.