Conan+Ayumi

[baka1412]

Here we go with the walls again...

I find it.. Fascinating The wall of jericho, the Textwall of Doom, the Wailing Wall.. Or whatever they're called...

But it's still (slightly) pale compared with the wall on the Aicon thread

[Schillok]

Finally back. 

Here we go with the walls again...

I find it.. Fascinating The wall of jericho, the Textwall of Doom, the Wailing Wall.. Or whatever they're called...

But it's still (slightly) pale compared with the wall on the Aicon thread

It still fits on my screen. No real wall yet. 

I'd say it's largely because he can't explain why not. Also, he probably feels that because she's a kid that it's just puppy love that won't last. He probably doesn't consider it a serious thing like he would if he found out that Ai had a thing for him.

Well, the reason for "why not" (why he can't be together with Ayumi) would be that he is 100% sure that he wants to end up with Ran and with Ran only. Since he never turned Ayumi down it could also mean he wants to keep his options open for the future... just in case. And of course because of the many other reasons mentioned already.
We don't know how serious he takes the feelings of a first-grade schoolgirl, that's true. But considering that Ran is his first love - and still his prime interest - he should know that such feelings might remain and that Ayumi is really serious.

I'm also a Shin x Ran fan, and I agree Conan and Ayumi have a few cute scenes. I think  gosho gave up on Conan Ayumi paring a long time ago about episode 100, because early on in the series we can see a lot a Conan Ayumi moments (like when she kisses Conan) but the end a little later in the series.

He didn't give up on Ayumi x Conan completely. He just changed how it is expressed. 
Yeah, at the beginning it was very obvious, even Conan should have noticed that Ayumi has feelings for him. Later on - probably after noticing that Conan is not interested in such an open display of love - Ayumi became more subtle. Especially seen in the episode with the Hina dolls. It was a quite elaborate plan to get that special photo for a girl of her age.
So I would say Gosho didn't stop Ayumi x Conan, just the way Ayumi behaves towards him. Although I wouldn't mind another case with a more open demonstration again. 

Welcome in the world of fandom, where all the fans of hopeless anime/manga couples are in their very own fantasy world cause reality ( i mean the one in the manga/anime itself) is hell. XDDD

Well, knowing that you are supporter of a "hopeless" pairing helps a lot though. Though "hopeless" is a harsh word, no couple is 100% impossible unless one of the dies in a manga world were rebirth and resurrection by any means is impossible. 
Just like you hope for that tiny chance of AiCon to prevail I (we?) do the same for AyuCon in this thread.

[Schillok]

I am pretty sure he considers the DB as his friends. He said he would be missing them when he thought the Chinese Liquor could turn him back into Shinichi permanently. And he spends pretty much time with them, much more than what would be necessary for "camouflage".
But yeah, your ideas are good. Close to what I think. 

I'm sure Conan doesn't want anything bad to happen to them, no. Which also makes me wonder...

Will he miss the DBoys when he returns to being? He has a lot to lose once he returns to Shinichi. He doesn't have as much to lose as Conan.....

Well, to be fair he doesn't want anything bad to happen to anyone. Not even to Gin, he would only want to see him behind bars.

But yeah, I think he will really miss the Detective Boys if he gets the antidote. As far as I know they were his first friends who were really interested in solving cases with him. Otherwise there is only Heiji who thinks the same... and he is living quite a distance away.
And considering the amount of time he spent with them - voluntarily on their weekend trips with the professor and "forced" while in school - they must have really grown at him.
Doesn't mean he would have to stop staying in contact with them when he becomes Shinichi again... both know the professor, he could use Agasa to try to reestablish his friendship with them. Just as a senpai then instead of an equal... 

There is another thing you didn't mention: Shinichi loved the admiration when he was still the famous high school detective. He got love letters every day, and he enjoyed them.
Now as Conan... his main admirer is Ayumi (and the other DB). If shrinking did not change him too much he still likes to be admired.
He wouldn't reject her, especially since he knows that one of the traits she likes most is how smart Conan-kun is, something he values highly about himself.

true, true. I don't think Conan would harshly reject someone who sees the good in him. He might consider it a good thing...though when people get TOO many compliments, they start to lose appreciation for them...And take it for granted. Still, Conan might find it flattering coming from Ayumi.

Though I think he really would find recognition from Ai MUCH more amazing and flattering because it's hard to get recognition from her....

Ai is much harder to impress. And even when she is she hardly shows it.
Although... when Mitsuhiko bandaged her knee during the "Bear, Hunters, Mushrooms" case she seemed quite impressed and even let him know it. I bet Mitsuhiko liked it. 

And of course the closeness of Ayumi makes it even harder to reject her. I think Conan likes the distractions of going on "adventures" with them and the professor, even though things get a bit childish sometimes. Better than hanging around with Kogoro at least. 

Not to forget... there is also the higher degree of freedom around Ayumi. He doesn't have to hold back on his true capabilities, as long as he doesn't tell them himself that he is Shinichi, Ayumi and the Detective Boys will accept him like he is. I guess that makes him feel... comfortable around them and he doesn't want to endanger that place for himself by sending Ayumi off.


Of course there is still my hope that he (subconsciously) sees Ayumi as a possible partner for a romantic relationship in the future if it turns out that he can't become Shinichi again and that he can't force Ran to wait for him to grow up normally. I mean... it is possible, right?

yea, I really think that Conan will miss his life as Conan...he might need time to realize that. Leaving his life, he will be leaving it behind forever...which is pretty sad when I think about it.

Conan doesn't need to hide anything from the Dboys, EXCEPT him being Shinichi. He is comfortable with showing his capabilities, though he's uneasy with BO mess going around, Ran talking about him to the DBoys, and talking about certain stuff that only Shinichi would know. He doesn't have to put on airs in front of Ayumi if that's what you mean.

I think the girl he feels most comfortable with (being both Shinichi and Conan) is Ai, as he doesn't have to put on airs to impress her, or he just doesn't willingly, neither does he have to pretend to be something his not at all. Also, he is more willing to tell her things before anyone.

However, Ayumi seems to accept Conan's flaws a lot better than the other girls, and doesn't see them as flaws at all.

So, hey, to me all the girls have an equal chance.

Yeah, he doesn't need to act in front of Ayumi and the others, not like he has to do in front of adults.

Spoiler:

Although Conan started pretending less around adults lately, he has really started to show his true capabilities slowly. Adults are recognizing how smart he is lately. My guess is that he planed to so though, to gather allies who believe in him when he needs help that takes him seriously if he faces the BO in the future. Like you said... the BO is a case were he wouldn't want to include Ayumi and the other children to make sure they are safe. Though he might have planed for them to have an eye on Haibara for him during that time, to make sure she remains unharmed as well and also to prevent her from rushing towards the conflict as well...
Just my thoughts though. And as I said: His changed behavior towards adults is part of a plan. His behavior towards the DB is completely on his own will, because he likes to be that way, because he is that way.

Yeah, in a sense of how much Conan has to hide in front of Haibara she has an advantage compared to Ayumi. Though with this knowledge come harsh conflicts as well: Conan knows Haibara doesn't tell him the full truth about the BO, Haibara will always feel guilty about working on the poison that shrinked Shinichi.
And of course.... Haibara knows that Conan is only interested in Ran - which is a disadvantage since Ayumi will continue to try to win his affections because she doesn't know she has Ran as a rival (or if she does (Movie 5) she does not think that Conan has chances with her since Ran loves Shinichi). And of course because Ayumi was there first... and Ayumi is her friend, Haibara would hold back for her even if she felt in love with Conan at some point.

It is true, every girl has a chance. Although... Rans chances are way better than these for Ayumi or Haibara.

[Abs.]

Well, knowing that you are supporter of a "hopeless" pairing helps a lot though. Though "hopeless" is a harsh word, no couple is 100% impossible unless one of the dies in a manga world were rebirth and resurrection by any means is impossible.  ;)

I SUPPORT SHINICHI X AKEMI  ;D

...What?  The boy likes dead people.

[Conia]

Well, knowing that you are supporter of a "hopeless" pairing helps a lot though. Though "hopeless" is a harsh word, no couple is 100% impossible unless one of the dies in a manga world were rebirth and resurrection by any means is impossible. 

I SUPPORT SHINICHI X AKEMI 

...What?  The boy likes dead people.

Yeah! what wrong with Shiho x Matsuda!?

[Kleene Onigiri]

First I'd like to say hello to everyone since I'm new here

I think Conan doesn't reject Ayumi also because she reminds him of Ran when she was still a child. So I think it is hard to reject her just like that. On the other hand Ayumi was more obvious at the beginning, but since they just met each other, he didn't think of it as a big deal (also considering that Conan though he would turn back into Shinichi soon enough). Ayumi also changed her obvious behavior and isn't "charging with full force at him" now (like already stated in this topic). But I think that's also means that she's more serious about it now (still as serious as a child can be at this age).

Also the Detective Boys changed a lot in general. In the first chapters, Genta was a bigger Bully-type than now, Mitsuhiko was a bigger "science-geek" and Ayumi was more "tomboyish" and more forward (in my opinion at least )

If Ayumi would confess to Conan directly, then he would probably turn her down or tell her, that he's not interested in a girlfriend right now (lol). But as long as he's not forced to answer her, then he won't say anything on his own. Since he's a coward and ignorant when it comes to romance and love. Proof would be, that he wasn't able to tell Ran anything on his date and he also doesn't get it, that Haibara likes him.
In that point he's a lot like Hattori
But that makes Conan/Shinichi more human to me, since he's already too smart and is able to do a lot of things, that even some adults can't. (for example he knows what to do in emergencies like when someone was poisoned or what to do when a house is burning (giving ran a helm to protect her from fire etc.)

I also have a (silly) theory
After the Detective Boys find out that Conan is actually Shinichi and was shrunk because of a drug, Ayumi wants him to stay small. Thus she will try to create this drug and will become a scientist (like haibara). Because she is rather good at this she will be recruited into the BO and is able to get to work on the drug that shrunk Shinichi. Thus Ayumi will become one of the man in black! XD

ok, nvm this... :p


Btw. I wonder if Ayumi will start to learn karate or some other martial arts in the future? Since most of the female characters are able to do some sort of self defense (Ran, Satou, Kazuha, Eri)

[Conia]

Welcome Home to the Forum Kleene Onigiri, please enjoy your stay

[Schillok]

Well, knowing that you are supporter of a "hopeless" pairing helps a lot though. Though "hopeless" is a harsh word, no couple is 100% impossible unless one of the dies in a manga world were rebirth and resurrection by any means is impossible. 

I SUPPORT SHINICHI X AKEMI 

...What?  The boy likes dead people.

Yeah! what wrong with Shiho x Matsuda!?

Well... even that is not 100% impossible considering the BO is "trying to raise the dead against the stream of time". 
Though... it will be hard to restore Matsuda considering how he died...
Shinichi might like dead people, but I am against pairing him with an (Ex-) BO member... 

First I'd like to say hello to everyone since I'm new here

Welcome in the forum from me as well. It was a good decision to make your first post in this wonderful thread. 

I think Conan doesn't reject Ayumi also because she reminds him of Ran when she was still a child. So I think it is hard to reject her just like that. On the other hand Ayumi was more obvious at the beginning, but since they just met each other, he didn't think of it as a big deal (also considering that Conan though he would turn back into Shinichi soon enough). Ayumi also changed her obvious behavior and isn't "charging with full force at him" now (like already stated in this topic). But I think that's also means that she's more serious about it now (still as serious as a child can be at this age).

Yeah, Ayumi is a lot like Ran. Like a "better" Ran in fact. Which is why I think they would make a good pairing if he decides to wait for her to grow up.
And like you I consider Ayumis change in behavior towards Conan as a sign that she is serious about him.

Also the Detective Boys changed a lot in general. In the first chapters, Genta was a bigger Bully-type than now, Mitsuhiko was a bigger "science-geek" and Ayumi was more "tomboyish" and more forward (in my opinion at least )

On a similar note they changed Conan as well. And Haibara even more. Both got a lot more social since they are around them.

If Ayumi would confess to Conan directly, then he would probably turn her down or tell her, that he's not interested in a girlfriend right now (lol). But as long as he's not forced to answer her, then he won't say anything on his own. Since he's a coward and ignorant when it comes to romance and love.

Which I guess is the reason why Ayumi does not confess and why she changed her behavior towards Conan. She knows that in the current situation he would decline her feelings, even though she can't know the reason why. Conan/Shinichi is no coward or ignorant when it comes to love though. Just... "clumsy".

Proof would be, that he wasn't able to tell Ran anything on his date and he also doesn't get it, that Haibara likes him.
In that point he's a lot like Hattori

Well, to be fair Ran is his first love and that was their first "real date". Love is complicated, especially when you know the other person for a long time...
But since you are talking about Haibara: Maybe because he "doesn't get it", because there are no romantic feelings of Haibara towards him? Differently from the other females in DC Haibara never revealed romantic feelings (not even in inner monologue that no other character can hear.) If she does show feelings they are feelings of affection to the people close to her (like Akemi, Conan or Ayumi), but never love.

I also have a (silly) theory
After the Detective Boys find out that Conan is actually Shinichi and was shrunk because of a drug, Ayumi wants him to stay small. Thus she will try to create this drug and will become a scientist (like haibara). Because she is rather good at this she will be recruited into the BO and is able to get to work on the drug that shrunk Shinichi. Thus Ayumi will become one of the man in black! XD

ok, nvm this... :p

I don't think Ayumi would force Shinichi to be small again if she ever found out. It's not her type. She might beg him not to take the antidote as long as he is Conan and stay with him (and he would have a hard time resisting when she starts crying. Aww, Ayumi is just so cute.  ) but she will accept cruel fate if he does anyway.
Also, I don't think her morals would allow her to join the BO. Just like Conan would never join it.
Nice material for a fanfiction though. 

Btw. I wonder if Ayumi will start to learn karate or some other martial arts in the future? Since most of the female characters are able to do some sort of self defense (Ran, Satou, Kazuha, Eri)

Considering that Shinichi said himself that he started to play football (soccer) to gain the constitution necessary for the work of a detective Ayumi will - assuming that she continues being/playing a detective - probably do the same. Which sport she chooses is up to her.
Maybe like you said and martial arts, considering she is the favorite victim of each criminal when the DB work on a case. It would certain help her a lot in this situation when she is strong enough to used such techniques against adults.
Though I would imagine that Ayumi would enjoy team sports more. Maybe football, just like Conan/Shinichi. Or maybe another sports like baseball, hockey, .... whatever she thinks she would like more. 

[Kleene Onigiri]

First I'd like to say hello to everyone since I'm new here

Welcome in the forum from me as well. It was a good decision to make your first post in this wonderful thread. 

Of course!

If Ayumi would confess to Conan directly, then he would probably turn her down or tell her, that he's not interested in a girlfriend right now (lol). But as long as he's not forced to answer her, then he won't say anything on his own. Since he's a coward and ignorant when it comes to romance and love.

Which I guess is the reason why Ayumi does not confess and why she changed her behavior towards Conan. She knows that in the current situation he would decline her feelings, even though she can't know the reason why. Conan/Shinichi is no coward or ignorant when it comes to love though. Just... "clumsy".

Proof would be, that he wasn't able to tell Ran anything on his date and he also doesn't get it, that Haibara likes him.
In that point he's a lot like Hattori

Well, to be fair Ran is his first love and that was their first "real date". Love is complicated, especially when you know the other person for a long time...
But since you are talking about Haibara: Maybe because he "doesn't get it", because there are no romantic feelings of Haibara towards him? Differently from the other females in DC Haibara never revealed romantic feelings (not even in inner monologue that no other character can hear.) If she does show feelings they are feelings of affection to the people close to her (like Akemi, Conan or Ayumi), but never love. 

Well, yeah. Since love matters are complicated (even for this "show off" shinichi/conan), it's even hard for conan to tell his feelings or to turn someone down. And I used the term "coward" in this case, because he's usually confident and likes to boast (like in his deductions) but is shy when it comes to love matters.
@Haibara: I think it's obvious, that she likes Shinichi. But it's not 100% obvious that she loves him (like in Ayumis case), just hinted.
But what I meant with "ignorant" is for example that one case, where Shinichis mother tells him, that Haibara is looking a lot at him. He wonders first, but in the end he can't imagine any deeper meaning behind it. (Of course, it doesn't have to say anything about Haibara loving him or not. But not to take it into consideration at all... XD)

I also have a (silly) theory
After the Detective Boys find out that Conan is actually Shinichi and was shrunk because of a drug, Ayumi wants him to stay small. Thus she will try to create this drug and will become a scientist (like haibara). Because she is rather good at this she will be recruited into the BO and is able to get to work on the drug that shrunk Shinichi. Thus Ayumi will become one of the man in black! XD

ok, nvm this... :p

I don't think Ayumi would force Shinichi to be small again if she ever found out. It's not her type. She might beg him not to take the antidote as long as he is Conan and stay with him (and he would have a hard time resisting when she starts crying. Aww, Ayumi is just so cute.  ) but she will accept cruel fate if he does anyway.
Also, I don't think her morals would allow her to join the BO. Just like Conan would never join it.
Nice material for a fanfiction though. 

That's why I said it's a silly theory Since I also can't see that Ayumi would do that considering her personality. But she would join the BO to get a hold of the drug to help Conan and Haibara.

[Detective Prince]

I'm also a Shin x Ran fan, and I agree Conan and Ayumi have a few cute scenes. I think  gosho gave up on Conan Ayumi paring a long time ago about episode 100, because early on in the series we can see a lot a Conan Ayumi moments (like when she kisses Conan) but the end a little later in the series.

Gave up? I find it hard to believe that he even thought of them as a pairing...

[Detective Prince]

I'm also a Shin x Ran fan, and I agree Conan and Ayumi have a few cute scenes. I think  gosho gave up on Conan Ayumi paring a long time ago about episode 100, because early on in the series we can see a lot a Conan Ayumi moments (like when she kisses Conan) but the end a little later in the series.

Gave up? I find it hard to believe that he even thought of them as a pairing...

Just like you hope for that tiny chance of AiCon to prevail I (we?) do the same for AyuCon in this thread.

Yes but the problem is we don't think you know how little of a chance conan and ayumi have of ending up together.

[Abs.]

Well, knowing that you are supporter of a "hopeless" pairing helps a lot though. Though "hopeless" is a harsh word, no couple is 100% impossible unless one of the dies in a manga world were rebirth and resurrection by any means is impossible. 

I SUPPORT SHINICHI X AKEMI 

...What?  The boy likes dead people.

Yeah! what wrong with Shiho x Matsuda!?

Well... even that is not 100% impossible considering the BO is "trying to raise the dead against the stream of time". 
Though... it will be hard to restore Matsuda considering how he died...
Shinichi might like dead people, but I am against pairing him with an (Ex-) BO member... 

Ohhh I understand now!  Shinichi x Matsuda OTP

[Tanner-kun]

I'm also a Shin x Ran fan, and I agree Conan and Ayumi have a few cute scenes. I think  gosho gave up on Conan Ayumi paring a long time ago about episode 100, because early on in the series we can see a lot a Conan Ayumi moments (like when she kisses Conan) but the end a little later in the series.

Gave up? I find it hard to believe that he even thought of them as a pairing...

this show other wise

[Callid]

this show other wise

Well, this is only proof of Ayumi>Conan. There's nothing of Conan>Ayumi in this scene, and considering his face it's almost as if he were totally surprised (and not happy, as he were in case of ConanAyumi).
Of course, if Conan would kiss her, it'd be something completely different.

Hey, I just noticed that >; and + are good things to use. Perhaps we should use them from now on.

Conan>Ayumi - Conan loves Ayumi, but she does not.
ConanAyumi - Conan loves Ayumi and vice versa, but they aren't a couple.
Conan+Ayumi - They love each other and are a couple.

[Schillok]

this show other wise

Well, this is only proof of Ayumi>Conan. There's nothing of Conan>Ayumi in this scene, and considering his face it's almost as if he were totally surprised (and not happy, as he were in case of ConanAyumi).
Of course, if Conan would kiss her, it'd be something completely different.

Hey, I just noticed that >; and + are good things to use. Perhaps we should use them from now on.

Conan>Ayumi - Conan loves Ayumi, but she does not.
ConanAyumi - Conan loves Ayumi and vice versa, but they aren't a couple.
Conan+Ayumi - They love each other and are a couple.

Well, even Ayumi>Conan (how you would write it) - which undoubtedly exists - would be enough to prove that Gosho "thought of them as a pairing", which was what XCommando tried to prove with the picture. (Though it is from an anime opening, but there is another, similar scene in the manga after they defeated these Italian gangsters.) Even if it is just one-sided.
Conan kissing Ayumi... right now even I could not imagine it, not without a special reason reason anyway. First he has to overcome his feelings towards Ran...
But once he does Ayumi and Conan are an official, mutual-sided couple. Come on Gosho, surprise everyone and make it happen. 

I am not so fond of the idea to use of mathematical operators though. Words describe their relationship much better and much more accurate.

I'm also a Shin x Ran fan, and I agree Conan and Ayumi have a few cute scenes. I think  gosho gave up on Conan Ayumi paring a long time ago about episode 100, because early on in the series we can see a lot a Conan Ayumi moments (like when she kisses Conan) but the end a little later in the series.

Gave up? I find it hard to believe that he even thought of them as a pairing...

As it was shown before: The pairing is only one-side but has been introduced very early in the series.
Though, since Conan/Shinichi is only interested in Ran, Ayumis chances to make Conan fall into love with him are rather low. On the other hand, the longer Ran and Shinichi stay apart and the longer Conan stays with Ayumi the better Ayumis chances get. Just... that is a process that would take years and with the "frozen time" in the DC universe there will be no progression as long as the time since Conans shrinking remains constantly less that one year.

Just like you hope for that tiny chance of AiCon to prevail I (we?) do the same for AyuCon in this thread.

Yes but the problem is we don't think you know how little of a chance conan and ayumi have of ending up together.

I know how little their chances are. But... the chance exists. That's enough for me to support that pairing.
On the other hand I get the impression that some AiCon-fans vastly overestimate the chances for their own pairing.