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Cases you liked the LEAST

Postby miakakiri » August 26th, 2009, 2:49 am

There's a topic for the best cases, so here's one for the cases that are really lame, or wouldn't actually work. (Or whatever other reason you might hate them.)
Please list a specific reason that you don't like the case, preferably more thought out than "it features a character I don't like".


For me, it's the Eri's Testimony case (files 610 to 612, episodes 505&506).
Why?: Aoyama-sensei Did Not Do The Research. Ok, it only sticks out to me because I work in a salon, but...
File 611, page 8, second panel: (Eri is speaking) "I came at 8 o'clock, and had a shampoo for 10 min. Next a coloring for 20 min. Afterward a shampoo again for 10 min. Then I had a perm for 10 min. Then once again a shampoo for 10 min. And then I had my hair cut for 15 min. Finally I had my last shampoo for 10 min, and got my hair blow-dried and cut which took another 10 min. Which makes it almost an hour and a half, right?" Now, it could be argued that some of that is translation, but it shows up in the anime version exactly the same. There are a number of things wrong with the timeline given. An hour and a half is a reasonable length of time for a color, but the description doesn't match. Also, you can't do a color and a perm on the same day (too many chemicals all at once will damage the hair, I think--I'm not a stylist so I'm not entirely sure, but I have heard my coworkers explaining to clients that you need to space out perms and colors by about 2 weeks). Color is usually applied to dry hair, so she wouldn't've been shampooed when she first came in. Color usually takes about 20-30 min to process (the "drying" Eri refers to later) during which time the stylist can leave to take care of whatever else needs doing (several of my coworkers regularly use the processing time to grab lunch, or they'll fit in another client). She also lists having her hair cut twice, and way too many shampoos. It just doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, I'm being picky. Then again, this is about stuff I see daily at work. I get even pickier about muscles/anatomy. (That being what I actually deal with in my line of work.)
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Re: Cases you liked the LEAST

Postby Akonyl » August 26th, 2009, 5:04 am

I approve of this topic. However, I can't think of anything to contribute to it, as after 544 episodes my brain has pretty much thrown out my easily recallable memories of any case that I didn't categorize as "totally sweet".

Um, uh...

*looks at the sub list*

I guess "the dissonance of the stradivarius" wasn't that good of a case. It was alright, but I don't think it was really warranting of being a 3-part episode, so it sort of dragged on for me.
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Postby KaitoKid0 » August 26th, 2009, 11:38 am

meh, i just hate most cases with ran in it...she messes up everything
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Postby kkslider5552000 » August 26th, 2009, 1:36 pm

Outside of cases I doubt anyone likes that much (recent 1 ep. AOs, 383) and my hatred of Blue Spark of Hate aside (it's the dumbest Haibara "character development" ever that made me hate it more than anything), it would have to be The Evil Spirit Appears on an Unlucky Day (you might remember it as that 3 part case that has both of the Yokomizo brothers and a really cool security door thing). And I don't even think it's that bad of a case. It's just really boring.
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Postby tantei okuoku » August 27th, 2009, 12:59 am

I have seen up to 194 but the case I hate the most is what the funi dub titled "shopping can be murder" it the detective boys episode where they are at a shopping day for little kids type thing.it was the most annoying thing I have ever seen in an anime, and I do not find the DB episodes to be that bad or annoying.
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Postby kirite » August 27th, 2009, 2:44 am

Shiragami-sama case.

Just thinking about it makes me irritated >:(

And generally speaking the movies though I wouldn't call them cases.
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Postby miakakiri » August 27th, 2009, 11:10 am

Um....this was sort of supposed to be about cases you don't like and WHY you don't like them.
"Ran messes everything up" is not really an explaination. Neither is "It makes me irritated" without explaining what part is irritating. An episode being "annoying" isn't quite what I ment either. I was mostly looking for cases in which there's a detail that just doesn't fit or wouldn't actually work that way.
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Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » August 27th, 2009, 12:25 pm

The Red Wall case is the one that comes to mind first. It hasn't been animated yet so the reason why it irritated me is in spoilers.
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The mystery itself was moronic and the victim was an idiot although I liked the new character Koumei. Seriously, the whole afterimage idea was just unbelievable. How did the dead guy know someone might paint the whole wall red instead of say: burning the house down, or sanding it off, or painting only a little bit of the wall red, or painting all the walls red, or removing the chairs, etc...? He could have also left multiple dying messages, or at least more logical and harder to destroy ones. He had plenty of time to think it over.
What really gets me is the guy stuck in the room could have escaped. He wasn't tied down. He could have broken the second story window and its frame and jumped out. He had several days to work on it with tools and metal supplies like nails. If he was worried about the listening device, he could have removed it or muffled it or something. At the very least, he could have tried to bash the door, but clearly he didn't think about trying since there is a lack of marks on the door and the cart pushed to block it. He could have tried to signal for help by, say, painting a help notice outside of the window or starting a small fire in the room by the window and wafting the smoke out.
Finally the tip that gets Conan to figure it out is totally obvious and artificially contrived and thus inelegant. Even though I realized it after the fact, the mystery would have been better if they ignored the whole red wall and focused on why the second victim would have wanted to mess with the dying message in the first place: there was a mix up since part of the second victim's and the criminal's name are the same.

I'll forgive the contributing writers, so long as they don't produce another wallbanger for a while...
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Postby djknitex » August 27th, 2009, 12:27 pm

I don't like the episodes where Sonoko is the one being the detective, I never liked her. lol
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Postby kirite » August 27th, 2009, 1:44 pm

miakakiri wrote:Um....this was sort of supposed to be about cases you don't like and WHY you don't like them.
"Ran messes everything up" is not really an explaination. Neither is "It makes me irritated" without explaining what part is irritating. An episode being "annoying" isn't quite what I ment either. I was mostly looking for cases in which there's a detail that just doesn't fit or wouldn't actually work that way.


Ah my bad, it's just that I ranted about this everywhere already.  I'll make it short.

Spoiler:
It's just so many coincidences meshed into one.

Not to mention the whole Shinichi-swing-from-tree-to-tree thing xD. 

The culprit also convieniently missed the explaination. Sure you can be in shock but wouldn't you want to make sure before you change your face and act like an idiot?  It's sad really.  His plan had no chance of success.  It feels like a case is settled and all is well but someone just stirred things up without a good reason.
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Postby kkslider5552000 » August 27th, 2009, 4:02 pm

kirite wrote:
miakakiri wrote:Um....this was sort of supposed to be about cases you don't like and WHY you don't like them.
"Ran messes everything up" is not really an explaination. Neither is "It makes me irritated" without explaining what part is irritating. An episode being "annoying" isn't quite what I ment either. I was mostly looking for cases in which there's a detail that just doesn't fit or wouldn't actually work that way.


Ah my bad, it's just that I ranted about this everywhere already.  I'll make it short.

Spoiler:
It's just so many coincidences meshed into one.

Not to mention the whole Shinichi-swing-from-tree-to-tree thing xD. 

The culprit also convieniently missed the explaination. Sure you can be in shock but wouldn't you want to make sure before you change your face and act like an idiot?  It's sad really.  His plan had no chance of success.  It feels like a case is settled and all is well but someone just stirred things up without a good reason.


I assumed that Makoto was shocked to such a ridiculous level that his mind...I dunno...subconsciously blocked out the true explanation of what happened in that case because that was what shocked him in the first place?

And the only coincidence was the prototype antidote being accidently used. I think.
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Postby Nyarl » August 29th, 2009, 3:36 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:The Red Wall case is the one that comes to mind first. It hasn't been animated yet so the reason why it irritated me is in spoilers.
Spoiler:
The mystery itself was moronic and the victim was an idiot although I liked the new character Koumei. Seriously, the whole afterimage idea was just unbelievable. How did the dead guy know someone might paint the whole wall red instead of say: burning the house down, or sanding it off, or painting only a little bit of the wall red, or painting all the walls red, or removing the chairs, etc...? He could have also left multiple dying messages, or at least more logical and harder to destroy ones. He had plenty of time to think it over.
What really gets me is the guy stuck in the room could have escaped. He wasn't tied down. He could have broken the second story window and its frame and jumped out. He had several days to work on it with tools and metal supplies like nails. If he was worried about the listening device, he could have removed it or muffled it or something. At the very least, he could have tried to bash the door, but clearly he didn't think about trying since there is a lack of marks on the door and the cart pushed to block it. He could have tried to signal for help by, say, painting a help notice outside of the window or starting a small fire in the room by the window and wafting the smoke out.
Finally the tip that gets Conan to figure it out is totally obvious and artificially contrived and thus inelegant. Even though I realized it after the fact, the mystery would have been better if they ignored the whole red wall and focused on why the second victim would have wanted to mess with the dying message in the first place: there was a mix up since part of the second victim's and the criminal's name are the same.

I'll forgive the contributing writers, so long as they don't produce another wallbanger for a while...


Meh.
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The art supplies scattered outside and the broken window were already enough to draw visitors' attention. The victim probably thought the place was too isolated to expect any travelers near enough to notice other distress signals. The place was a bit... flammable, so not sure a signal fire would've been a good idea anyway.

Giving the culprit the means to conveniently erase the message with the can of lacquer makes it less likely the culprit would just burn the place down, and still leaves the chance the resulting puzzle could be solved. Something like a carving would get the place torched for certain if the culprit found it first (that Aoyama has the culprit eventually torch the place anyway kinda demonstrates this).

Could've been some obvious signs that the victim tried to escape or some explicit explanation why there weren't I suppose... like a previous incident with the books showing the victim knew the futility of forcing the door or a more specific description of how the explicitly sealed window was sealed, like  metal bars concealed in the frame or something...

My problem with the case was that the puzzle doesn't really work. Then again, even English tends to call turquoise/cyan scrubs [url=http://images.google.com/images?q=green%20scrubs]“greenâ€
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Postby NotSoFluent » August 29th, 2009, 4:07 pm

KaitoKid0 wrote:meh, i just hate most cases with ran in it...she messes up everything

So...75% of the cases then? ;) Dohohoho.

Also, I agree with Nyarl on that Shiragami case.   It felt like it was going to be a fun case with potential.  It got me very excited, but four chapters in it became very obvious how it was going to play out.  White-haired Monkeyman in the trees was the biggest indicator.  Gee, a mysterious costumed character lurks around and shows up unannounced during the peak of the resolution.  Hmm.  I wonder who that could be.  Sounds familiar, amirite guys?

I felt like the case could have been handled a lot better.  As it's been said, a lot of it hinged on coincidence far too much and some general idiocy (WAIT, HE ACTUALLY DID FIGURE IT OUT AND I TOTALLY WIPED IT FROM MEMORY OUT OF SHOCK AND TOTALLY LOST MY FANBOY FEELINGS WITHOUT THIS KNOWLEDGE AND JOINED THE UNINITIATED PUBLIC, BRB PLASTIC SURGERY).   A lot of mysteries have a coincidence or two (breaks in real-life cases often are coincidental), but this case was so bogged down in it that it fell flat on its face.

The way the temporary transformation was handled after the case felt hamfisted with its 'wait, what the hell was supposed to happen here?' tone and contained a lot of clumsiness in writing and the way the characters interacted.  I know Ran was supposed to act worried and upset that something was wrong, but it was terribly overplayed and made her out to be a weepy worry-wart ninny, to the point that she lived up a lot of fan exaggerations about her sensitive personality flaws.   I didn't like the way she was written at all.  Though in retrospect, she may have been as confused and flustered as I was reading it. :P

 I know I sound very pissy with my Capslock Abuse and profanity when talking about it, but I'm THAT annoyed with what resulted, which is unusual since I can easily suspend disbelief quite easily in DC.  I was expecting this to be a great "you just blew my mind, holy cow" case, kept close tabs on spoilers whenever they came out, waited anxiously for raws, and...ugh.   Not to get all Butthurt Fan Self-Entitlement on this (more than I already have), but it felt like a real slap in the face in the end.  Just a real stinker of an arc; every comic series has at least one. :-\
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Re: Cases you liked the LEAST

Postby ranger » August 29th, 2009, 8:09 pm

KaitoKid0 wrote:meh, i just hate most cases with ran in it...she messes up everything


;D that's not nice...while I respect your opinion, lot of Ran fans would be offended by your comment :p


I usually don't like any of the detective boy cases w/o haibara in it.  It's like...why have a detective boy cases if shes not even going to be in, seriously....like that one momotaro one or w/e.
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Postby Kamron3 » August 30th, 2009, 2:35 pm

It seems that the episodes are almost the same thing..

Conan Cases (with Mouri in it):

1.) Go somewhere on vacation
2.) Someone you know is there
3.) Meet up, have a fun time
4.) Someone gets killed
5.) Mouri is (most of the time) an idiot and has no idea what is going on
6.) Conan finds evidence
7.) Conan knows who did it
8.) Conan makes Mouri sleep
9.) Conan accuses
10.) The end

However, ones with Kaito Kid and the Black Organization are different, they are more exciting, and thrilling.

If you added some kind of Black Organization plot to each of the episodes, it's better that way.

I don't really like the Detective Boys case because it's normally weird stuff that they look too hard on and end up finding something that leads to a murder/kidnap/dog killing spree. IMHO, kinda pointless. Nothing about Black Organization is found, etc.

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