Haibara x Akai...Haibara x Okiya (brief analysis)

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Haibara x Akai...Haibara x Okiya (brief analysis)

Postby HayleyStark » August 6th, 2009, 9:03 am

Even though the guesses about Ai x Conan are very plausible...I find Akai Shuichi and Okiya Subaru to be good candidates for Haibara's love.

Haibara x Akai: They could have known each other since he was her sister's boyfriend. Akai hints that he doesn't want Ai to see him yet (ep 342) when she was unconscious.

They have similar personalities. Both have a tragic past and lost someone dear to them (Akemi). They have a mysterious, calm attitude that gives a dark impression. They are cynical heroes who care about the people that they love and are always ready to give away their lives.

Haibara x Okiya: If Okiya wasn't Akai in disguise. He seems interested in Haibara. Okiya was shown saving Haibara from falling in the water (ep 542), a gesture that he wants to be her hero. He's also a mysterious personality, but gives a brighter impression than Akai...his kindness makes a good contrast with Haibara's sarcasm... His optimism completes Haibara's cynical attitude.

We don't know Okiya enough yet, but his character so far fits well with Haibara. And Akai...I think he would like a more cheerful girl like Akemi or Ran...but his appearance with Haibara resembles a gorgeous gothic couple from vampire fiction...so they make me drool.

EDIT: Not to mention that the strange vibes that Haibara senses from Okiya ("he could be a Black org member but he's not so bad" feeling) could mean that he's Akai...and she's just attracted to him.

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Postby KaitoKid0 » August 6th, 2009, 9:26 am

what the hell...

hell no...

come akai was her sis boyfriend like wtf..not to mention the age difference...which my quess it by quite some amout

serious bad idea..if gosho did that it would make no sense at all

its either conan/shinichi or noone
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Postby baka1412 » August 6th, 2009, 9:38 am

I don't say i like this 2 kind of couple...

Akai : he is her sister ex-boyfriend, and we all know Akai still love Akemi, moreover he is the cause of Akemi death..
So, thought Akai is one of the plausible candidate for Haibara, i don't think this would worked up..

Okiya : We almost know nothing bout this guy, and there are zero romantic involvement between Okiya and Ai, so a big NO for this one..
But my opinion might've change if this man show-up for, maybe, 200-300 chapter earlier..

But still, this 2 man are still WAY much better than a certain boy..
If you made Mitsuhiko x Haibara thread, I'd troll you.. really..
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Postby HayleyStark » August 6th, 2009, 9:43 am

KaitoKid0 wrote:
come akai was her sis boyfriend like wtf..not to mention the age difference...which my quess it by quite some amout



So you're saying that Akai can never find love again after Akemi died? What's the problem if he falls in love with Shiho? You might think that they would feel guilty but actually, Akemi would be happy to see them together. And the age difference between Shiho Miyano and Akai could be no more than 6 or 7 years, it's not that huge at all.

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Okiya : We almost know nothing bout this guy, and there are zero romantic involvement between Okiya and Ai, so a big NO for this one..
But my opinion might've change if this man show-up for, maybe, 200-300 chapter earlier..

But still, this 2 man are still WAY much better than a certain boy..
If you made Mitsuhiko x Haibara thread, I'd troll you.. really..


Actually I think Okiya is created by Gosho to be Haibara's future love...we'll see. And no, Mitsuhiko/ Haibara is not in my dictionary.
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Postby baka1412 » August 6th, 2009, 9:48 am

Then gosho must've pushing his luck if it's true... What the hell's going on in his mind ?
Introducing a completely new character as Haibara-lover-wannabe on the last (assumption) part of the story ? I won't accept it, ever..

But like i said above, my opinion might've change if Okiya was introduced for, maybe 200 - 300 chapter earlier..
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Re: Haibara X Akai...Haibara X Okiya

Postby HayleyStark » August 6th, 2009, 9:49 am

baka1412 wrote:
But like i said above, my opinion might've change if Okiya was introduced for, maybe 200 - 300 chapter earlier..


Maybe there are still 200-300 chapters to go. You never know!
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Postby AICHAN » August 6th, 2009, 11:18 am

HayleyStark wrote:
baka1412 wrote:
But like i said above, my opinion might've change if Okiya was introduced for, maybe 200 - 300 chapter earlier..


Maybe there are still 200-300 chapters to go. You never know!


I hope so!
personally i want to see ai and conan as a couple,but since it's quite impossible,i have to say that l would like to see aiXokiya or aiXakai IF gosho puts efforts on it and create a good and strong relationship between them(i don't want  to see haibara with akai or okiya just to let shinichi be with ran)
really i prefer seing ai with akai or okiya rather than mitsuhiko ::) these two guy are the only who eventually can fit with shiho and her personality

but i have to say that i prefer seeing ai with okiya rather than akai(if okiya isn't akai),because you said it they're too similar for me!
 
Haibara x Akai: They could have known each other since he was her sister's boyfriend. Akai hints that he doesn't want Ai to see him yet (ep 342) when she was unconscious.

They have similar personalities. Both have a tragic past and lost someone dear to them (Akemi). They have a mysterious, calm attitude that gives a dark impression. They are cynical heroes who care about the people that they love and are always ready to give away their lives.

i think she needs someone who can make her smile,who  give an other image of the world(someone like conan),and who isn't as dark and pessimist as her! (but sometimes this type of couple could work)
moreover i don't think she want to be with her sister's boyfriend,who is also the cause of her sadness(it's because of akai that akemi was killed,i don't know if ai will forgive that if she knows)
that's why in second choice(beside conan) i prefer okiya,he ressemble more to conan,and can give to haibara what she needed the most in her life: love and softness, according to his personality!

but until the end i want to say:AIXCONAN FTW!!!!!
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Re: Haibara X Akai...Haibara X Okiya

Postby HayleyStark » August 6th, 2009, 11:29 am

AICHAN wrote:i think she needs someone who can make her smile,who  give an other image of the world(someone like conan),and who isn't as dark and pessimist as her! (but sometimes this type of couple could work)


I like your theory...someone to make Haibara smile. But don't you like the idea of two damaged people  falling love, healing together.... They say sad people see each other because they are on the same level...maybe that's why Shinichi x Shiho is a bit difficult, because he's a happy person, and she is a tainted soul.
Akai x Shiho would be a dark romance,  not about rainbows and butterflies...I love that. 
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Postby AICHAN » August 6th, 2009, 12:01 pm

HayleyStark wrote:
AICHAN wrote:i think she needs someone who can make her smile,who  give an other image of the world(someone like conan),and who isn't as dark and pessimist as her! (but sometimes this type of couple could work)


I like your theory...someone to make Haibara smile. But don't you like the idea of two damaged people  falling love, healing together.... They say sad people see each other because they are on the same level...maybe that's why Shinichi x Shiho is a bit difficult, because he's a happy person, and she is a tainted soul.
Akai x Shiho would be a dark romance,  not about rainbows and butterflies...I love that. 



well,your idea is interesting too(dark romance...better than a lovey dovey romance) but what bother me is not the fact that both akai and haibara are sad people,it's the fact that they act in the same way to face  their sadness,they have almost the same personality( they're cynical,realists ,discrete and introverted, spiritual...)so i thingit's good for a short time ,but i think they will not bring or teach something to each other's life,cause they're the same!they will not open up if they're together !


but that's  just my opinion!don't be offended by what i said!you're idea still interesting for me ;)
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Postby KaitoKid0 » August 6th, 2009, 12:36 pm

this is seriously not a good idea...

there would be no reason to pair those two with haibara

im 100% sure that this will NEVER happen
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Postby HayleyStark » August 6th, 2009, 1:06 pm

KaitoKid0 wrote:this is seriously not a good idea...

there would be no reason to pair those two with haibara

im 100% sure that this will NEVER happen


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Postby AICHAN » August 6th, 2009, 1:12 pm

HayleyStark wrote:
KaitoKid0 wrote:this is seriously not a good idea...

there would be no reason to pair those two with haibara

im 100% sure that this will NEVER happen


Sure you can say that.


well i would't be surprised if gosho paired haibara with one of them just to forget shinichi so that he can  be with Ran without any remorse toward haibara ::)
so we can't be sure of what gosho will do!
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Postby TheBlind » August 6th, 2009, 1:44 pm

I like you outside the box thinking but it's a stretch to work either of these two pairing into the series.

First focusing on Shiho X Okiya:
This one just has too many obstacles in it's way to be successful.
  • Okiya needs to become a regular after his current role in the series.
  • Time. Unless Gosho wants to make this the never ending anime, Okiya doesn't have enough time to build up the chemistry.
  • Haibara's shell. It took Conan quite a while to break through it and he was saving her from exploding buses.
  • Haibara is Haibara. Unless the plot makes it that she has to become Shiho for a long period of time, there isn't going to be a good chance for Okiya to build up chemistry. Flirting with a 7-9yr is bad.
    [li]Haibara would like to live as Haibara. Okiya would really have to win her over to get her to become Shiho but he needs her to become Shiho to win her over, bad loop.

I don't think there is enough series left to overcome all these points unless Gosho pulls another(AkaixJodie aka they had something going before DC started) but the Haibara fans wouldn't like that..at all.

ShihoxAkai:
This one is more workable and possible. I wouldn't mind if it happened but I prefer it not to. At the moment, I see Akai more in a big brother kind of role when it comes to Shiho. He has shown that he still feels a lot for Akemi and is dedicating a lot of his FBI time to try and "rescue" Shiho like her sister wanted.  Reason he doesn't want Shiho to see him isn't love related but more along the lines that he solely blames himself for Akemi's death and he has no right to approach Shiho until his plan is complete to give her the life Akemi wanted. A big scene in this series is going to be when those two finally meet, part of me believes that Shiho is going to blame him & hate him at first (similar to the Conan&Haibara scene).
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Re: Haibara x Akai...Haibara x Okiya (brief analysis)

Postby HayleyStark » August 6th, 2009, 2:10 pm

TheBlind wrote:I like you outside the box thinking but it's a stretch to work either of these two pairing into the series.

First focusing on Shiho X Okiya:
This one just has too many obstacles in it's way to be successful.
  • Okiya needs to become a regular after his current role in the series.
  • Time. Unless Gosho wants to make this the never ending anime, Okiya doesn't have enough time to build up the chemistry.
  • Haibara's shell. It took Conan quite a while to break through it and he was saving her from exploding buses.
  • Haibara is Haibara. Unless the plot makes it that she has to become Shiho for a long period of time, there isn't going to be a good chance for Okiya to build up chemistry. Flirting with a 7-9yr is bad.
    [li]Haibara would like to live as Haibara. Okiya would really have to win her over to get her to become Shiho but he needs her to become Shiho to win her over, bad loop.

I don't think there is enough series left to overcome all these points unless Gosho pulls another(AkaixJodie aka they had something going before DC started) but the Haibara fans wouldn't like that..at all.

ShihoxAkai:
This one is more workable and possible. I wouldn't mind if it happened but I prefer it not to. At the moment, I see Akai more in a big brother kind of role when it comes to Shiho. He has shown that he still feels a lot for Akemi and is dedicating a lot of his FBI time to try and "rescue" Shiho like her sister wanted.  Reason he doesn't want Shiho to see him isn't love related but more along the lines that he solely blames himself for Akemi's death and he has no right to approach Shiho until his plan is complete to give her the life Akemi wanted. A big scene in this series is going to be when those two finally meet, part of me believes that Shiho is going to blame him & hate him at first (similar to the Conan&Haibara scene).


I've been waiting for a hardcore fan opinion on this ;D So you're saying all they need is time? That is easy in fiction, maybe Okiya and adult Shiho will meet in the end and we get a happily ever after. Or maybe a 1 year time lapse into the next chapter. It won't be that hard. And yeah Conan took a while to break Haibara's shell...but Conan is a bit harsh (he screamed at her the first time they met and called her a murderer...). Like they say, you might spend years hitting a rock and then only a drop of water can break it open. So maybe Shiho would show her real self easily with Okiya because he has a kinder/ softer attitude than Conan.

You know, the live action series show Shiho as an adult in many episodes, so I don't see why it won't happen soon in the manga, specially with all the action packed chapters lately.  This could give a greater chance for Okiya or Akai to meet adult Shiho.

About Shiho blaming Akai...that could happen. And it would be a good dramatic effect...but then how long will she hate him? She has matured, maybe Conan forgiving her will teach her to forgive Akai as well. Shiho is a loner, and so she can't afford losing people who care about her, like Akai.

In any case, I like to think that Shiho has many possibilties in her love life, not only Shinichi because that might make her a hopeless person in the end...I wouldn't like that.
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Re: Haibara x Akai...Haibara x Okiya (brief analysis)

Postby AICHAN » August 6th, 2009, 2:53 pm

HayleyStark wrote:
TheBlind wrote:I like you outside the box thinking but it's a stretch to work either of these two pairing into the series.

First focusing on Shiho X Okiya:
This one just has too many obstacles in it's way to be successful.
  • Okiya needs to become a regular after his current role in the series.
  • Time. Unless Gosho wants to make this the never ending anime, Okiya doesn't have enough time to build up the chemistry.
  • Haibara's shell. It took Conan quite a while to break through it and he was saving her from exploding buses.
  • Haibara is Haibara. Unless the plot makes it that she has to become Shiho for a long period of time, there isn't going to be a good chance for Okiya to build up chemistry. Flirting with a 7-9yr is bad.
    [li]Haibara would like to live as Haibara. Okiya would really have to win her over to get her to become Shiho but he needs her to become Shiho to win her over, bad loop.

I don't think there is enough series left to overcome all these points unless Gosho pulls another(AkaixJodie aka they had something going before DC started) but the Haibara fans wouldn't like that..at all.

ShihoxAkai:
This one is more workable and possible. I wouldn't mind if it happened but I prefer it not to. At the moment, I see Akai more in a big brother kind of role when it comes to Shiho. He has shown that he still feels a lot for Akemi and is dedicating a lot of his FBI time to try and "rescue" Shiho like her sister wanted.  Reason he doesn't want Shiho to see him isn't love related but more along the lines that he solely blames himself for Akemi's death and he has no right to approach Shiho until his plan is complete to give her the life Akemi wanted. A big scene in this series is going to be when those two finally meet, part of me believes that Shiho is going to blame him & hate him at first (similar to the Conan&Haibara scene).


I've been waiting for a hardcore fan opinion on this ;D So you're saying all they need is time? That is easy in fiction, maybe Okiya and adult Shiho will meet in the end and we get a happily ever after. Or maybe a 1 year time lapse into the next chapter. It won't be that hard. And yeah Conan took a while to break Haibara's shell...but Conan is a bit harsh (he screamed at her the first time they met and called her a murderer...). Like they say, you might spend years hitting a rock and then only a drop of water can break it open. So maybe Shiho would show her real self easily with Okiya because he has a kinder/ softer attitude than Conan.

You know, the live action series show Shiho as an adult in many episodes, so I don't see why it won't happen soon in the manga, specially with all the action packed chapters lately.  This could give a greater chance for Okiya or Akai to meet adult Shiho.

About Shiho blaming Akai...that could happen. And it would be a good dramatic effect...but then how long will she hate him? She has matured, maybe Conan forgiving her will teach her to forgive Akai as well. Shiho is a loner, and so she can't afford losing people who care about her, like Akai.

In any case, I like to think that Shiho has many possibilties in her love life, not only Shinichi because that might make her a hopeless person in the end...I wouldn't like that.


you know what? i agree with what you said about aixokiya and aixakai! if gosho want to put one of these men with haibara ,he can do it with the time he want! the manga isn't in his end so it's possible for him to create a great relationghip with one of them, if he took the time !

besides,who said that haibara wanted to stay as a child?(movie 4 isn't canon,and she said she want it if conan stay as a child as well)!i don't think she will like to stay as a child without the only person who can understand her(she will stay  with the db,but without conan she won't enjoy it,i think)

in fact i would like to see an aixokiya or aixakai just to see conan's reaction(not jealousy,i want him to dislike seeing ai with a boy!ai and conan have been so close that it could happen no?)
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