Something between Haibs and Gin?

[Kleene Onigiri]

I don't think you can use the "flashback of sherry naked" as evidence for Gin liking/loving/etc. her.
Since Vermouth was shown like that too during the bus hijack case :p
And if I remember correctly, I think ran was shown once too or someone else. Not sure about that D:

[Kaito Lady]

I don't think you can use the "flashback of sherry naked" as evidence for Gin liking/loving/etc. her.
Since Vermouth was shown like that too during the bus hijack case :p
And if I remember correctly, I think ran was shown once too or someone else. Not sure about that D:

i cant remember the scene of a nude vermouth in that case

and yes, ran wa shown that way in some opening

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I don't think you can use the "flashback of sherry naked" as evidence for Gin liking/loving/etc. her.
Since Vermouth was shown like that too during the bus hijack case :p
And if I remember correctly, I think ran was shown once too or someone else. Not sure about that D:

This argument has been used a bunch before, and being me, I went through and looked at all the examples. Pretty much the only time one character thinks about another naked is when the character suspects they are having sex (Ran thinking Shinichi is cheating), are actually naked (Conan remembering Ran in a bath, victim in bath), thinks they are going to be naked (Kaitou took Ran's clothes), or when they are a shadow person which doesn't really count (James Black mentioning Akemi had a sister.) Gin thinking about Shiho naked is not Gosho's normal way of dealing with how one character thinks of another, and I think that is significant.

Also this from Conan Drill. Page 239.

[Kaito Lady]

I don't think you can use the "flashback of sherry naked" as evidence for Gin liking/loving/etc. her.
Since Vermouth was shown like that too during the bus hijack case :p
And if I remember correctly, I think ran was shown once too or someone else. Not sure about that D:

This argument has been used a bunch before, and being me, I went through and looked at all the examples. Pretty much the only time one character thinks about another naked is when the character suspects they are having sex (Ran thinking Shinichi is cheating), are actually naked (Conan remembering Ran in a bath, victim in bath), thinks they are going to be naked (Kaitou took Ran's clothes), or when they are a shadow person which doesn't really count (James Black mentioning Akemi had a sister.) Gin thinking about Shiho naked is not Gosho's normal way of dealing with how one character thinks of another, and I think that is significant.

Also this from Conan Drill. Page 239.

so....there was at som period of time
somethin between those two....
i kinda remember that chart...i think thats where
i got my initial speculations bout those two....

[1Kaito]

So my interpretation of Gin's obsession with Haibara is that she's left the organization of her own free will and is alive. I don't think many have accomplished that and Gin takes it as a personal loss.

I think this is all there is to their "relationship" as well.

[sushimaster]

(sorry for reviving an old thread - I'm new, do I need to start a new thread instead of reviving an old one?)

I think it's plausible that Sherry & Gin worked together although they had different roles in the org. Ai was shown as a pretty capable in holding gun. In her introductory case with the fake money, her shot just missed the woman by a few inches (not an easy thing to do). It looked like a deliberate action, meant more as a warning to the bad guys & notification to the cops next doors at the same time.

Who knows, they might be involved in some missions together (like in the mermaid case - I believe both Sherry's & Gin's names were listed in the guest book), or even it was Gin that taught Sherry how to handle guns (maybe too far-fetched?).

Just wanted to clarify - I was talking about their relationship in general, not necessarily the romantic one.

Romantically speaking, they seemed to be acquainted pretty well. Their choice of words exchanged to each other, the scene of execution, & their body language suggest that they know each other personally. There are only 2 people in the DC universe where Ai use her "sarcasm" words to: one is Conan, the other is Gin. When she faced Vermouth, her sentences were straightforward, no teasing whatsoever.  Sherry smriked at Gin & teased him for waiting for her in the snow instead of just shooting her in the fireplace.

Gin also doesn't strike me as a flirter. Vermouth flirted with him several times with no return from Gin. His preference to have Sherry "die beautifully" seems like a Gin-style flirting to me. Remember that he also shot Sherry several times, but not in the vital area. Compare this in contrast to how he killed Pisco, bang bang & then die. It's like that he wanted to prolong Sherry's suffering, but why? Just because she was a traitor or something more personal?

About naked Sherry in Gin's mind, it's as others have said. In DC world, usually when someone pictures the other person naked, they have some kind of a romantic feeling towards the person in mind. Case in point: Ran towards Shinichi & Takagi towards Sato. It's unlikely that they had a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship though. Akemi would've known & wouldn't need to tell her to find a boyfriend if Sherry already had Gin (or anyone else) as a boyfriend.

[ranger]

I always thought there was some sort of sexual abuse to Shiho from Gin, definitely one sided. She could have been raped by him. In episode 176, when Ayumi touches Ai's shoulder, she freaks out and says something along the lines of "Don't touch me!" after her nightmare.

It might be a bit extreme, especially for a Shounen series like Detective Conan, but there are some underlying adult themes that can be interpreted.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I don't think you can use the "flashback of sherry naked" as evidence for Gin liking/loving/etc. her.
Since Vermouth was shown like that too during the bus hijack case :p
And if I remember correctly, I think ran was shown once too or someone else. Not sure about that D:

This argument has been used a bunch before, and being me, I went through and looked at all the examples. Pretty much the only time one character thinks about another naked is when the character suspects they are having sex (Ran thinking Shinichi is cheating), are actually naked (Conan remembering Ran in a bath, victim in bath), thinks they are going to be naked (Kaitou took Ran's clothes), or when they are a shadow person which doesn't really count (James Black mentioning Akemi had a sister.) Gin thinking about Shiho naked is not Gosho's normal way of dealing with how one character thinks of another, and I think that is significant.

Also this from Conan Drill. Page 239.

You should check the bus hijack case then. Vermouth is randomly being show naked there too.
Why? Because at that time the reader didn't know who Vermouth is at that time (who she disguised as).

Similar case with Sherry. Gin doesn't know where and how sherry looks like. And especially, the reader never saw Sherry (aka the big form of Haibara) yet. That's why she doesn't have any characteristic cloths on.
In the other scenes, where Ran and Sato were shown naked, you were also able to see the face etc.
But here for sherry, you couldn't. That's why it's more likely that she was shown naked because it should be the "shadow man" style (not knowing how she looks exactly)

[ProfParanoia]

Similar case with Sherry. Gin doesn't know where and how sherry looks like. And especially, the reader never saw Sherry (aka the big form of Haibara) yet. That's why she doesn't have any characteristic cloths on.
In the other scenes, where Ran and Sato were shown naked, you were also able to see the face etc.
But here for sherry, you couldn't. That's why it's more likely that she was shown naked because it should be the "shadow man" style (not knowing how she looks exactly)

1. We were shown Shiho all the time when Ai was introduced, every time in the same get-up too (a lab coat).
2. And why were Sato and Ran being thought of as naked at the time?

[Kaito Lady]

i agree with what ranger said
and still i dont remember that scene of vermouth
but if shee really was shown that why is because gosho
felt in love with her and thats it.
there are just too many "evidences" bout this
issue to how so ever think that there wasnt somethin between those
two, and if you dont want to believe the nake part as "evidence"
then what bout the body language and the way of speaking of ai and
gin at the roof of that edifice?

[Kleene Onigiri]

Similar case with Sherry. Gin doesn't know where and how sherry looks like. And especially, the reader never saw Sherry (aka the big form of Haibara) yet. That's why she doesn't have any characteristic cloths on.
In the other scenes, where Ran and Sato were shown naked, you were also able to see the face etc.
But here for sherry, you couldn't. That's why it's more likely that she was shown naked because it should be the "shadow man" style (not knowing how she looks exactly)

1. We were shown Shiho all the time when Ai was introduced, every time in the same get-up too (a lab coat).
2. And why were Sato and Ran being thought of as naked at the time?

@1. Yeah, when she was at the lab, she was wearing a lab-coat. But the face was still not shown (shadow at the face). When Gin thought about her, she was a traitor already, thus would have other cloths on, but wouldn't know which ones, since she would hide and dress differently :p
You could say the same for Vermouth then. The reader knew how Vermouth looked like and she was shown a lot in a black dress. Still, at the bus hijack, she was shown naked
@2. For satou: Was at the time where shiratori wanted to marry satou and Takagi had a fantasy of them both being together. For Ran it was the times Chekhov described already :V


@Kaito Lady: I'm not psychic you'd need to check the chapter out yourself if you want to remember :p
I never said that there isn't something between them. Since what Gin said to Sherry and how Ai reacted to Conans question was off :p
But that "naked Sherry" was just a method that Gosho uses a lot.

[Kaito Lady]

@Kaito Lady: I'm not psychic you'd need to check the chapter out yourself if you want to remember :p
I never said that there isn't something between them. Since what Gin said to Sherry and how Ai reacted to Conans question was off :p
But that "naked Sherry" was just a method that Gosho uses a lot.

i'll try to re watch that episode some time

its true, gosho loves to use that "method"
i wonder if he has a secret love for all his female characters

[Kleene Onigiri]

Not sure if it was in the anime too D:
But there is definitely something like that in the manga chapter.

well, I bet he does like his characters XD
But using naked/half naked women always gets up the ratings too :x (which is probably a reason too)

[Kaito Lady]

Not sure if it was in the anime too D:
But there is definitely something like that in the manga chapter.

that explains why i dont remember it!
i just watched the anime!D:
why do they make such differences between them

well, I bet he does LOVE his FEMALE characters XD

fixed

[ProfParanoia]

@1. Yeah, when she was at the lab, she was wearing a lab-coat. But the face was still not shown (shadow at the face). When Gin thought about her, she was a traitor already, thus would have other cloths on, but wouldn't know which ones, since she would hide and dress differently :p
You could say the same for Vermouth then. The reader knew how Vermouth looked like and she was shown a lot in a black dress. Still, at the bus hijack, she was shown naked
@2. For satou: Was at the time where shiratori wanted to marry satou and Takagi had a fantasy of them both being together. For Ran it was the times Chekhov described already :V


@Kaito Lady: I'm not psychic you'd need to check the chapter out yourself if you want to remember :p
I never said that there isn't something between them. Since what Gin said to Sherry and how Ai reacted to Conans question was off :p
But that "naked Sherry" was just a method that Gosho uses a lot.

1. She was even in the coat at a restaurant with her sister.  Also Gin could see her face in that shot. Lastly, your point was that Sherry had no given image for Gin, just like for us, my point was that she certainly did have an image for us. Also this was more an allusion to the given Shadowman comparison of the two, when actually it's kind of backwards: Sherry (in out images over her) is full body with shadowed eyes when the shadow man no body with given eyes.

Saying "the same could be said for Vermouth" doesn't warrant anything other than... yup. Though, obviously Vermouth and Ai aren't really doing the same thing so the comparison of their images is wonky too and the way it's presented is different, Verm's just implied to be topless, Sherry is nude from the back down with a haunted look.
EDIT: Nakedness is also just Verm's personality .

2. Rhetorical question. Basically, pointing out that the fact you can see their face appropriate doesn't work to your advantage of comparison since same goes to Vermouth.

I'm fairly certain this just proves Bamboo.