Best DC Couple?

[Ran]

Ran and Shinichi for ever !! THE BEST COUPLE!!

[Merialle]

ConanAi or ShinichiShiho ftw.

[Ran]

I like Heiji/Kazuha and Takagi/Sato too!!

[tiffishungry]

RAN AND SHINICHI ALL THE WAYYYYYY!!!!

[Rellik]

surprising hw more ppl seems to support ai/conan tho more ppl voted for ran/shinichi O.o

[TheBlind]

surprising hw more ppl seems to support ai/conan tho more ppl voted for ran/shinichi O.o

Most likely the Ran/Shinichi fans don't feel like they need to add anything to the topic. All the evidence that they love each other is there, it's not like they have to argue their view like the Ai/Conan fans. Ran and Shinichi are good for each other but how long can Shinichi be happy with Ran when Ran doesn't understand his way of thinking? He has gotten frustrated with Ran before when she doesn't get him, but those results in just Middle School/ High School arguments, but what happens when they are older, could those petty fights turn into real ones where Shinichi starts to question Ran's intelligence?

And how long will Ran be satisfied in waiting for Shinichi when he runs off and going out of her way to "understand" how Shinichi feels about mystery? Can she keep it up for the rest of her life without feeling like she's always the one providing in the relationship and finally snaps and leaves like Eri?

I personally feel that they are too different to have a long marriage. They like each other and are happy to be around each other but that could fade eventually (marriage is a long thing) and end up like Mouri/Eri (to people who like each other but can't live together). Logically Haibara makes the most sense for Shinichi due to they have a common way of thinking and Haibara has the personality to withstand the months Shinichi isn't around (if he pursues something like Interpol or gets a real international case). Love eventually fades in marriages and them having many things in common with complementary personalities means that they can stand to be together after this happens giving a chance for the love to return.

Short- Ai/Conan isn't as straining to both individuals.

[Rellik]

lol somethin as a perfect marriage dsnt exist in DC
its always the couple tat has arguements tat is most interestin in a plot lol

[Nyarl]

surprising hw more ppl seems to support ai/conan tho more ppl voted for ran/shinichi O.o

Most likely the Ran/Shinichi fans don't feel like they need to add anything to the topic. All the evidence that they love each other is there, it's not like they have to argue their view like the Ai/Conan fans. Ran and Shinichi are good for each other but how long can Shinichi be happy with Ran when Ran doesn't understand his way of thinking? He has gotten frustrated with Ran before when she doesn't get him, but those results in just Middle School/ High School arguments, but what happens when they are older, could those petty fights turn into real ones where Shinichi starts to question Ran's intelligence?

And how long will Ran be satisfied in waiting for Shinichi when he runs off and going out of her way to "understand" how Shinichi feels about mystery? Can she keep it up for the rest of her life without feeling like she's always the one providing in the relationship and finally snaps and leaves like Eri?

I personally feel that they are too different to have a long marriage. They like each other and are happy to be around each other but that could fade eventually (marriage is a long thing) and end up like Mouri/Eri (to people who like each other but can't live together). Logically Haibara makes the most sense for Shinichi due to they have a common way of thinking and Haibara has the personality to withstand the months Shinichi isn't around (if he pursues something like Interpol or gets a real international case). Love eventually fades in marriages and them having many things in common with complementary personalities means that they can stand to be together after this happens giving a chance for the love to return.

Short- Ai/Conan isn't as straining to both individuals.

I don't think that Ran doesn't understand him (as in why he does what he does and what he's likely to do). From the Return and the Furinkazan cases, it seems Ran can understand and accept why he tries to keep her out of his investigations.  She sees enough of Shin'ichi in Conan that she can anticipate when he's likely doing something risky. Ran also shares his moral code, while I don't remember evidence that Haibara has changed to the point that she'd go out of her way to save total strangers selflessly.

On the other hand, Haibara suits him because she can more effectively deal with his ego. Where Ran would just shift from quietly awed fan-girl to openly frustrated yelling, Haibara can stand up to him in a way that actually takes him down a peg (not that this makes her particularly attractive to him). However, I don't think that it would be fair for him to just dump Ran after stringing her along. Especially after we've been shown that she can be understanding (and happy) enough to play along while confident that Conan is really Shin'ichi. It would reward Haibara's meddling that undid that progress in the relationship (and Ran). Because of her past acceptance, it wouldn't make sense to dump her for her own sake even if he's stuck as Conan after the Org. is defeated, and unless the right people in the Org. are killed off but the Org. itself survives, it's too late for him to leave her to avoid drawing their attention toward the Mouris.

ETA: That's not to say I would mind scenarios where Ran dumps him for using her father as a puppet and putting his curiosity ahead of their lives (heh, but she'd forgive him anyway...). Or Ran dying because Shin'ichi couldn't choose between her and satisfying his curiosity about an Org. that exterminates people who might know of it.

[TheBlind]

I don't think that Ran doesn't understand him (as in why he does what he does and what he's likely to do). From the Return and the Furinkazan cases, it seems Ran can understand and accept why he tries to keep her out of his investigations.  She sees enough of Shin'ichi in Conan that she can anticipate when he's likely doing something risky. Ran also shares his moral code, while I don't remember evidence that Haibara has changed to the point that she'd go out of her way to save total strangers selflessly.

On the other hand, Haibara suits him because she can more effectively deal with his ego. Where Ran would just shift from quietly awed fan-girl to openly frustrated yelling, Haibara can stand up to him in a way that actually takes him down a peg (not that this makes her particularly attractive to him). However, I don't think that it would be fair for him to just dump Ran after stringing her along. Especially after we've been shown that she can be understanding (and happy) enough to play along while confident that Conan is really Shin'ichi. It would reward Haibara's meddling that undid that progress in the relationship (and Ran). Because of her past acceptance, it wouldn't make sense to dump her for her own sake even if he's stuck as Conan after the Org. is defeated, and unless the right people in the Org. are killed off but the Org. itself survives, it's too late for him to leave her to avoid drawing their attention toward the Mouris.

ETA: That's not to say I would mind scenarios where Ran dumps him for using her father as a puppet and putting his curiosity ahead of their lives (heh, but she'd forgive him anyway...). Or Ran dying because Shin'ichi couldn't choose between her and satisfying his curiosity about an Org. that exterminates people who might know of it.

I agree that Ran understands Shinichi's actions but that comes from her being around him for such a long time. There are episodes where Haibara has done the same, for example in The Return where she predicted that Shinichi would end up in the bathroom or other times where she successfully guessed what Shinichi was hiding. That understanding just comes from being around a person for an extend time to the point you have memorized their habits, somewhat like reading a book until you have it memorized.

The "understanding" I was talking about was understanding Shinichi's love for mystery and his way of thinking because of it. Like I said before, she herself, has stated that she doesn't get it and it only wears her out when she tries to get it. It's "cute" now when she goes out of her way to understand Shinichi but eventually the "cute" will run out and be replaced with frustration from both sides.

As for Haibara not sharing the same moral code as Shinichi/Ran, I think that's not that black and white. Haibara has shown to put herself in danger for those she cares about countless times which is why Conan has reached a point that he trusts her with his life. She also has shown kindness to animals but her past with the B.O. and personality won't allow her to trust any random person like Ran. In time she might get to that point but it's unrelasitic to ask anyone who has come in contact with the B.O. to trust naively like Ran does.

[Nyarl]

I don't think that Ran doesn't understand him (as in why he does what he does and what he's likely to do). From the Return and the Furinkazan cases, it seems Ran can understand and accept why he tries to keep her out of his investigations.  She sees enough of Shin'ichi in Conan that she can anticipate when he's likely doing something risky. Ran also shares his moral code, while I don't remember evidence that Haibara has changed to the point that she'd go out of her way to save total strangers selflessly.

On the other hand, Haibara suits him because she can more effectively deal with his ego. Where Ran would just shift from quietly awed fan-girl to openly frustrated yelling, Haibara can stand up to him in a way that actually takes him down a peg (not that this makes her particularly attractive to him). However, I don't think that it would be fair for him to just dump Ran after stringing her along. Especially after we've been shown that she can be understanding (and happy) enough to play along while confident that Conan is really Shin'ichi. It would reward Haibara's meddling that undid that progress in the relationship (and Ran). Because of her past acceptance, it wouldn't make sense to dump her for her own sake even if he's stuck as Conan after the Org. is defeated, and unless the right people in the Org. are killed off but the Org. itself survives, it's too late for him to leave her to avoid drawing their attention toward the Mouris.

ETA: That's not to say I would mind scenarios where Ran dumps him for using her father as a puppet and putting his curiosity ahead of their lives (heh, but she'd forgive him anyway...). Or Ran dying because Shin'ichi couldn't choose between her and satisfying his curiosity about an Org. that exterminates people who might know of it.

I agree that Ran understands Shinichi's actions but that comes from her being around him for such a long time. There are episodes where Haibara has done the same, for example in The Return where she predicted that Shinichi would end up in the bathroom or other times where she successfully guessed what Shinichi was hiding. That understanding just comes from being around a person for an extend time to the point you have memorized their habits, somewhat like reading a book until you have it memorized.

The "understanding" I was talking about was understanding Shinichi's love for mystery and his way of thinking because of it. Like I said before, she herself, has stated that she doesn't get it and it only wears her out when she tries to get it. It's "cute" now when she goes out of her way to understand Shinichi but eventually the "cute" will run out and be replaced with frustration from both sides.

As for Haibara not sharing the same moral code as Shinichi/Ran, I think that's not that black and white. Haibara has shown to put herself in danger for those she cares about countless times which is why Conan has reached a point that he trusts her with his life. She also has shown kindness to animals but her past with the B.O. and personality won't allow her to trust any random person like Ran. In time she might get to that point but it's unrelasitic to ask anyone who has come in contact with the B.O. to trust naively like Ran does.

I think there are too many examples where Ran's been suspicious of the wrong person to say Ran is that trusting. She's even been suspicious of the right strangers at least once (what comes to mind is the Italian gold robbers she threatened for rifling through the kids' bags in an early case, maybe too early for her characterization there to still count, though).

Beside the point, anyway. The contrast I was looking at is the Golden Apple case vs. the 12,000,000 Hostages case. From the former, we know that Ran will impulsively save someone she already knew was dangerous, leading to Shin'ichi's line about reason not being necessary when it comes to saving lives. From the latter, I'd expect Haibara would think a bit before saving any stranger if there's risk to herself in the process, and this was after she proved she would die for people she cares about, so there's nothing new to show she's changed her mind about that (unless I'm overlooking something else).

[kirite]

The "understanding" I was talking about was understanding Shinichi's love for mystery and his way of thinking because of it. Like I said before, she herself, has stated that she doesn't get it and it only wears her out when she tries to get it. It's "cute" now when she goes out of her way to understand Shinichi but eventually the "cute" will run out and be replaced with frustration from both sides.

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread, ah well.

But Shinichi has been a detective freak since forever now...if she were to get sick of him she would have probably gotten sick of him already wouldn't she o.o?  Given she seems to be in love with him since forever now, but still you can't stick around a guy that long if he makes you sick.  Plus Sonoko would probably send Shinichi to a deserted island in the middle of the pacific if Shinichi is really making Ran upset.

Shinichi has a love of mysteries, and Ran has a love of....iunno Karate (?).  You don't have to "get" everything about someone to have a relationship with that person or else detectives will only be able to date detectives and police officers will only be able to date police officers (yaoi pairings anyone xD?).  Heiji and Kazuha is kinda like this too aren't they...Kazuha doesn't get why Heiji is always so obsessed with mysteries, but she loves him best when he's solving mysteries. 

As for marriage Ran is patient as a snail and Shinichi isn't as stupid as Kogoro.  We're still not sure 100% why Eri left Kogoro, but it's evident they love each other still...and they seem to have forgiven each other for a long time now.

With that said, I don't particularly care about the pairings.  I think Ran and Shinichi are hilarious as childhood friends.  She knows every embarrassing thing he has done since ever he was born and he's the only one who can make her angry without flying through a wall.  Shinichi and Haibara are hillarious as friends as well.  Haibara is so cool~ it annoys me greatly that she likes Shinichi xD.

[TheBlind]

The "understanding" I was talking about was understanding Shinichi's love for mystery and his way of thinking because of it. Like I said before, she herself, has stated that she doesn't get it and it only wears her out when she tries to get it. It's "cute" now when she goes out of her way to understand Shinichi but eventually the "cute" will run out and be replaced with frustration from both sides.

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread, ah well.

But Shinichi has been a detective freak since forever now...if she were to get sick of him she would have probably gotten sick of him already wouldn't she o.o?  Given she seems to be in love with him since forever now, but still you can't stick around a guy that long if he makes you sick.  Plus Sonoko would probably send Shinichi to a deserted island in the middle of the pacific if Shinichi is really making Ran upset.

Shinichi has a love of mysteries, and Ran has a love of....iunno Karate (?).  You don't have to "get" everything about someone to have a relationship with that person or else detectives will only be able to date detectives and police officers will only be able to date police officers (yaoi pairings anyone xD?).  Heiji and Kazuha is kinda like this too aren't they...Kazuha doesn't get why Heiji is always so obsessed with mysteries, but she loves him best when he's solving mysteries. 

As for marriage Ran is patient as a snail and Shinichi isn't as stupid as Kogoro.  We're still not sure 100% why Eri left Kogoro, but it's evident they love each other still...and they seem to have forgiven each other for a long time now.

With that said, I don't particularly care about the pairings.  I think Ran and Shinichi are hilarious as childhood friends.  She knows every embarrassing thing he has done since ever he was born and he's the only one who can make her angry without flying through a wall.  Shinichi and Haibara are hillarious as friends as well.  Haibara is so cool~ it annoys me greatly that she likes Shinichi xD.

They're only in their teens, which is the golden years when it comes to love. Forever is going to come if they get married, which is when the differences will start to become obvious. Ran is human, she has spent her teenage life waiting for Shinichi, crying for Shinichi, and going out of her way for Shinichi. So it would be only human for Ran to expect Shinichi to go out of his way for her and when he doesn't that one time she will explode. Not because of that current event but as a result of all the past events that have built up in her since humans aren't black holes.

Eri left Mouri because he insulted her cooking after she cooked it with a bullet wound and this is a perfect example of what I mean. To keep it simple, Mouri is a drinking womanizer that likes having fun over responsibility/education. Eri likes education/responsibilty over having fun, so in the end their differences started fights which built up inside of Eri until the day she left. Yes they love each other but can't live with each other unless it's for Ran's sake.

[TheBlind]

I think there are too many examples where Ran's been suspicious of the wrong person to say Ran is that trusting. She's even been suspicious of the right strangers at least once (what comes to mind is the Italian gold robbers she threatened for rifling through the kids' bags in an early case, maybe too early for her characterization there to still count, though).

Beside the point, anyway. The contrast I was looking at is the Golden Apple case vs. the 12,000,000 Hostages case. From the former, we know that Ran will impulsively save someone she already knew was dangerous, leading to Shin'ichi's line about reason not being necessary when it comes to saving lives. From the latter, I'd expect Haibara would think a bit before saving any stranger if there's risk to herself in the process, and this was after she proved she would die for people she cares about, so there's nothing new to show she's changed her mind about that (unless I'm overlooking something else).

By 12,000,000 Hostages do you mean the Matsuda Case? If so that isn't a fair comparison since Haibara wasn't the one that had to make the choice, it was Conan and Takagi. So no one can know what she would of done but I think any character from DC, be it Sonoko, Agasa, or Mouri would of chosen to die than risk the lives of a huge population. Her line about the evil whisper didn't mean she believed Conan was doing the wrong thing by sacrificing himself, she was talking in terms of what suicide meant for her due to all her past attempts of foolishly trying to sacrifice herself.

Another thing that isn't fair about this example is that Conan was betting that he would figure out the riddle before the timer expired. Yeah, he was prepared to die if he couldn't figure it out but humans are humans, if he knew 100% that he could not of figured it out in time, he would of taken a few minutes to consider the situation. He would of eventually made the same choice but any human would of taken time to think in that situation.

The Golden Apple is a different matter since that is an impulse situation. Would Haibara try and pull up the man that just tried to kill her, no but then again not many people would.

[elijah_014]

GinXVodka...

heck, they were dating on the very first episode 

AGREE...
GIN<3VODKA...LOL...

[kirite]

Eri left Mouri because he insulted her cooking after she cooked it with a bullet wound

Just to clarify...that's movie only right?  And didn't they imply that he only got angry because he was worried about her because she should be resting and not cooking for him? o_o

*needs to watch that movie again, but don't have time right at this moment*

In anycase, I never took the movie into canon story (if you want though, I'll keep that in mind though ^^). I always thought she left him the same way Yukiko ran away from Yusaku that one time (he came home with lipstick marks!) except Kogoro is too big headed to go and get her back.  He did try that time at the beach ^^ but she's even more big headed then him and pretends not to hear (hahaha).  I still can't exactly figure it out though...I mean he's always been a second rate detective but then so is the rest of the police force (not everyone's a genius after all).  But was Kogoro a drunken womanizer before Eri left or is he just being one because he's sad that she left/ trying to make her jealous?

Well knowing Gosho these questions will never be answered ._.

With that said I don't think they're trying to be together for Ran's sake.  I mean they already stayed apart for 10 years before that (during Ran's childhood and teen years, the years where she really needs Eri most), parents aren't that selfless ya know, their own personal relationships is always more important ^^.

Ran is human, she has spent her teenage life waiting for Shinichi, crying for Shinichi, and going out of her way for Shinichi.

Omg now that you mentioned it poor Ran D:.  Still I don't think Shinichi's that bad ^^...right D:?

GinXVodka...

heck, they were dating on the very first episode 

Omg how did I miss that xD?  GinxVodka ftw!!



Aww aren't they cute?  Still not as smexy as Agasa x Megure <3 (I blame Jd-).