Xcommando's BO boss theory.

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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: Well, it's probably a matter of bring her back if you can but kill her if need be. The personal agenda seems to be why said people were sent to kill her, Pisco was never sent to kill her but was told to watch for her by Gin. Even then Pisco worked for her family so he may have something against the Miyanos in general.
I'm pretty sure Pisco meant to kill her the whole time.
No, Pisco was there for the lawyer, it was possible he didn't even think of her till he saw her at the party, or Gin contacted him right before in the phone calls scene outside his car.
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ProfParanoia wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: Well, it's probably a matter of bring her back if you can but kill her if need be. The personal agenda seems to be why said people were sent to kill her, Pisco was never sent to kill her but was told to watch for her by Gin. Even then Pisco worked for her family so he may have something against the Miyanos in general.
I'm pretty sure Pisco meant to kill her the whole time.
No, Pisco was there for the lawyer, it was possible he didn't even think of her till he saw her at the party, or Gin contacted him right before in the phone calls scene outside his car.
Pisco was there for the politician (Anime subs were wrong on Nomiguchi's profession), but right after Gin found the tracer and hair, he called Pisco to tell her she was coming to the party. Gin told Pisco to bring her to back dead or alive.
Yes... Sherry... the person who betrayed the organization...
Anyway find her and bring her to me... Ah, no problem... Even if there's no body beneath her neck. (V24-8)
Pisco attempted to fulfill those orders, first by catching her alive, and then by attempting to kill her after she escaped the storage room and fell down the chimney. Also, based on Gin's phone call in the forged money case, the order went out to get Shiho, again dead or alive it didn't matter. (V18-7)
All evidence points to the org wanting to silence Sherry either by dragging her back to headquarters alive or through a more permanent means.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: Well, it's probably a matter of bring her back if you can but kill her if need be. The personal agenda seems to be why said people were sent to kill her, Pisco was never sent to kill her but was told to watch for her by Gin. Even then Pisco worked for her family so he may have something against the Miyanos in general.
I'm pretty sure Pisco meant to kill her the whole time.
No, Pisco was there for the lawyer, it was possible he didn't even think of her till he saw her at the party, or Gin contacted him right before in the phone calls scene outside his car.
Pisco was there for the politician (Anime subs were wrong on Nomiguchi's profession), but right after Gin found the tracer and hair, he called Pisco to tell her she was coming to the party. Gin told Pisco to bring her to back dead or alive.
Well, we where never shown that it was Pisco he was talking to on the phone outside his car. However, even then the orders came from Gin, thus giving personal agenda from the man suppling orders, Pisco was probably saving Ai for Gin knowing of his personal interests. Also Gin could have given the option knowing something Pisco might have with thebMiyanos.
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ProfParanoia wrote: Well, we where never shown that it was Pisco he was talking to on the phone outside his car. However, even then the orders came from Gin, thus giving personal agenda from the man suppling orders, Pisco was probably saving Ai for Gin knowing of his personal interests. Also Gin could have given the option knowing something Pisco might have with thebMiyanos.
From the context, Gin was most likely talking to Pisco. Gin told the person on the phone that Sherry is going to go where the person is. Given the context about what Gin thinks Sherry overheard with the bug, it's obviously the party where Pisco will assassinate someone while having APTX on hand.
Regarding orders, Pisco is an executive member of equal rank to Gin. Also Pisco had no problems about attempting to kill Shiho when she fell down the chimney later. If he really cared, than he wouldn't use the gun.
Finally, before she escaped, the Org was going to execute Sherry despite her role on the APTX project. Other than wanting to figure out how she escaped, that status should not have changed. Gin was prepared to kill her despite not extracting that info on the roof, so her permanent silence is more valuable than figuring out how she escaped.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: Well, we where never shown that it was Pisco he was talking to on the phone outside his car. However, even then the orders came from Gin, thus giving personal agenda from the man suppling orders, Pisco was probably saving Ai for Gin knowing of his personal interests. Also Gin could have given the option knowing something Pisco might have with thebMiyanos.
From the context, Gin was most likely talking to Pisco. Gin told the person on the phone that Sherry is going to go where the person is. Given the context about what Gin thinks Sherry overheard with the bug, it's obviously the party where Pisco will assassinate someone while having APTX on hand.
Regarding orders, Pisco is an executive member of equal rank to Gin. Also Pisco had no problems about attempting to kill Shiho when she fell down the chimney later. If he really cared, than he wouldn't use the gun.
Finally, before she escaped, the Org was going to execute Sherry despite her role on the APTX project. Other than wanting to figure out how she escaped, that status should not have changed. Gin was prepared to kill her despite not extracting that info on the roof, so her permanent silence is more valuable than figuring out how she escaped.
Probably the case yes.

Well, at that point it was "just deal with her already" in his mind probably. Just because he may have had something against Miyanos doesn't mean he would care about the beauty of it. They were going to execute her due to her refusal to work, but this did show she was still interested int the drug, or that's what Gin though, so there may have been a chance to goad her still or they find something to goad her with, which they technically did. Obviously silence was key, but even bringing her back would allow silencing her.
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ProfParanoia wrote: Just because he may have had something against Miyanos doesn't mean he would care about the beauty of it.
Gin wanting her dead and Gin being interested in her are not mutually exclusive. His conversation on the roof was laced with innuendos.
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ProfParanoia wrote: Just because he may have had something against Miyanos doesn't mean he would care about the beauty of it.
Gin wanting her dead and Gin being interested in her are not mutually exclusive. His conversation on the roof was laced with innuendos.
Yes, while Gin wants some level of high pleasure from her death, even going to her demise in the snow. While Gin's this obsessive Pisco wouldn't be as interested in the beauty of it.
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ProfParanoia wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: Just because he may have had something against Miyanos doesn't mean he would care about the beauty of it.
Gin wanting her dead and Gin being interested in her are not mutually exclusive. His conversation on the roof was laced with innuendos.
Yes, while Gin wants some level of high pleasure from her death, even going to her demise in the snow. While Gin's this obsessive Pisco wouldn't be as interested in the beauty of it.
Agreed. I wasn't sure who you were referring to in your above comment.
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Hold on we never found out what the final decision was going to be had she not escaped through the laundry chute
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Abs. wrote: Hold on we never found out what the final decision was going to be had she not escaped through the laundry chute
That is true, she did say they locked her in the chamber while they were deciding her fate.
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Abs. wrote: Hold on we never found out what the final decision was going to be had she not escaped through the laundry chute
I thought it was pretty definite. Abs. is there anything in the translations that make it clearer?
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Haibara says, "Since I was going to be killed anyway."

However this is her opinion.

The whole point of her being handcuffed in that room (again please do not add "gas chamber" because that was never specified) was to await the decision from above regarding what to do with her, since all she did was refuse to do any more work...  "go on strike," if you will.

If she was definitely going to be killed, why not just do it then and there?

Therefore, it has never been specified what the final decision was before they realized she'd escaped.

Also: My mistake: RUBBISH CHUTE, not laundry chute >_<
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baka1412 wrote: There were no Big boss at all
Just remembered Liar Game: The Final Stage with this comment.. If you already watched the movie then you probably know what I mean...
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I just hope the BO isn't operating as if there's still a Boss when in fact the "supposed to be Boss" died all along in the past and the Org just continued its operations running as if there's still a Big Boss...
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I just hope the BO isn't operating as if there's still a Boss when in fact the "supposed to be Boss" died all along in the past and the Org just continued its operations running as if there's still a Big Boss...
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