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TheBlind wrote: You have a contradiction here. Guess I'll start in order,
I don't think there's any contradiction. I only said that those facts I gave hint to something going on between them. It can simply mean that they know each other too well? I'll explain more below..

TheBlind wrote: Gin imagining Shiho naked - can be interpreted in many different ways so it's not a strong reason but in reality is the valid reason in the "ShihoxGin" argument. I think I posted a few of those explanations in a few similar topics around here.
The thing is, I'm not trying to prove that GinXShiho is a "real" couple or anything; so I'm not saying that he loves her or is obsessed with her just because he imagined her naked. However, I'm sure that when Gosho drew that, he had a certain idea in his mind which he might be explaining later, or not. :D

TheBlind wrote: The hair- As cool as it would seem for Gin to be a magical hair detector he really used logic to assume it was Shiho's. Shiho has a distinct hair color, which means people in Japan with that same type of hair are already low. Two, there were footprints around his car which even surprised him, which must mean that it isn't normal for people to surround his car. Finally, a listening device was found in the car and to Gin, this all points to the escaped Shiho. You have to remember that Gin most likely searched his car because he found a hair strand that wasn't his or Vodka's, when he found the device is when he concluded that no doubt it was Shiho's hair.
It's true that Ai's hair-color is distinct, but I don't think it's evidence enough to suspect her be sure about her identity. Besides, the footprints around his car were those of children, so that means 2 young people were in there, yet he was sure about Shiho's presence just from one freaking single brown hair? I'm not convinced.

TheBlind wrote: Hesitation- I already covered this one but to add to it. Gin practically says it himself, he could of just killed Shiho in the chimney but that wouldn't of satisfied him. He wanted her to suffer for giving him a failure and he wanted to know the answer to the puzzle.
The explainations you gave are satisfying enough, so that may be true. But I'm still wondering if he really was intending to kill her or just wanted to scare her off; knowing that the BO still needed her to complete APTX, killing her before she does would be just silly in my opinion.

TheBlind wrote: The Fear- This one is the one that bothers me the most. Seems like people always bring this one up but ignore something really basic. Shiho only exhibits this fear when a B.O. member or Gin specifically is around when she's with someone else. Even in her dream where she expressed this fear she was accompanied by the DBs. She doesn't show this fear when she's alone facing a B.O. member(Gin) as she showed on the rooftop. Reason for this is Shiho doesn't fear death, what she really fears is feeling the same pain of Akemi being killed. Akemi was all she had when she was Shiho and most likely the only thing she had attachment to and Gin took that away. So when she became Haibara she was cold towards the cast because she didn't want any attachments the B.O. could take away but they broke through her shell anyway. After this she contemplated of leaving because in her mind she failed and was setting herself up to be hurt again, which explains the nightmares where Gin takes everything from her again. It also explains the "Please don't touch me line". I told you before you where generalizing it, she wasn't thinking of Gin when she said it, she was directly referring to Ayumi. She wanted Ayumi to let go of her because she didn't want anything to do with her or any of them, she wanted to run away but they won her over again.
Yes, but she said that sentence to Ayumi right after imaginning Gin, which might be a reflexe she got at that very moment. Besides, I think the reason why she fears Gin that much is because he knows her moves too well, and so does she actually. The dude could even hear her breath inside the chimney! Ok, I admit he's got great detective skills but I still think that that and recognizing Shiho's hair is just too exaggerated; unless, as I said, he knows her moves too well, which leads to the probability that they know each other too well.
And of course Ai's not afraid of death. If she were, she wouldn't have stayed in that bus. She's afraid of the BO more than death, because dying would releave her, but if she lives and the BO finds her, they may somehow decide to punish her before instead of simlpy killing her. I think that's why she took APTX in the first place, she decided to kill herself before waiting for her punishment from AnoKata.

TheBlind wrote: The sentences on the roof-  Now you are just being silly. :P. That was Gin being Gin and Shiho matching him with her being Shiho(extreme sarcasm, one of her best traits).
I like being silly from time to time. ;D I think the sentences they shared on that roof were very poetic. lol
Gin: Isn't it pretty? White snow floating admist dark night.. letting blood color it all a crimson red.
Sherry: Maybe I should thank you for waiting for me in the cold breeze.
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soratothamax wrote: Yea, Girl 19, I believe something is definitely going on. Shiho looked scared at first, but when talking to him I saw a little smirk cross her face before Gin took the second shot. And Gin seemed to know her very well.
I noticed that too; and in the anime they even made Gin have wattery eyes for a few seconds.

soratothamax wrote: Another thing. How come every time one person says they like a pairing, some people assume they mean "romantically?" Like when I say I like Ai/Con (romantically OR NOT), they assume that means I have proof they are going to be together romantically. That happens all the time. I don't care about proof or romance, I just like them in the same episode together. Same with this circumstance. Cuz I agree with girl 19 about the GinXSherry thing. I like their pairing second to AixCon. It always fascinates me. But pairing doesn't necessarily mean romantic. I get that all the time. Just had to vent a little about that.  :D
Those are my thoughts as well. xD Couples I like: AiXConan, AiXOkiya, AiXAkai, AiXGin. There's nothing romantic in them (at least in the 3 latest), yet I love seeing Ai's interaction whith those dudes.

But my bestest favorite couple has got to be:
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Just kidding. There's not even any interaction between them. -_-






Except maybe for when Genta blushed because Ai was taking care of him after he fell in the snow.
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Girl19 wrote: I don't think there's any contradiction. I only said that those facts I gave hint to something going on between them. It can simply mean that they know each other too well? I'll explain more below..
I guess it can but using the naked flashback as evidence just sends it into romance/sexual territory.
Girl19 wrote: The thing is, I'm not trying to prove that GinXShiho is a "real" couple or anything; so I'm not saying that he loves her or is obsessed with her just because he imagined her naked. However, I'm sure that when Gosho drew that, he had a certain idea in his mind which he might be explaining later, or not. :D
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It should be explained but it most likely won't  ;D. I believe that Gosho just did it for the added effect without knowing that it would breed "Shiho was in a relationship with Gin"/"Shiho was raped by Gin"(..I really dislike this one) theories..passed around as facts(evil Detective Conan secrets books or something).
But it would be nice if Gosho just killed all these theories with a quick segment where Haibara tells Conan Gin is a jerk because he walked in on her during a shower and wouldn't leave until she told him the secret behind her shampoo regimen.
Girl19 wrote: It's true that Ai's hair-color is distinct, but I don't think it's evidence enough to suspect her be sure about her identity. Besides, the footprints around his car were those of children, so that means 2 young people were in there, yet he was sure about Shiho's presence just from one freaking single brown hair? I'm not convinced.
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Well, in the order the events unfolded it's extremely believable. Footprints around his car get Gin in alert mode, even if they are of children. He gets in the car sees a strand of hair that isn't his or Vodka, tells Vodka to shut up(he was going to do this anyway probably), searches the car and finds the listening device. With all this he goes from wishful thinking of "this hair looks similar to Shiho's" to "So you made the first move Shiho". I understand you aren't fully convinced as trying to find the logic in it takes away from the magic of Gin just knowing it's Shiho because he's that evil.
Girl19 wrote: The explainations you gave are satisfying enough, so that may be true. But I'm still wondering if he really was intending to kill her or just wanted to scare her off; knowing that the BO still needed her to complete APTX, killing her before she does would be just silly in my opinion.
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It's only silly because you assume they expect her to finish APTX4869. The B.O. most likely took measures for the project after the placed the lead scientist in a gas chamber. It's highly unlikely they expected Shiho to escape or even continue her research after she escaped so they have no problems in killing her..which is what they have been trying to do. But I do get your point, it could be a huge fake-out in which the boss knows Shinichi=Conan, Shiho lying about Shinichi's death on her report, and her eventually running to his house. It's a LOOONG stretch but possible, because really, Pisco leaving a B.O. computer open for access with Haibara in the room always bothered me.
Girl19 wrote: Yes, but she said that sentence to Ayumi right after imaginning Gin, which might be a reflexe she got at that very moment. Besides, I think the reason why she fears Gin that much is because he knows her moves too well, and so does she actually. The dude could even hear her breath inside the chimney! Ok, I admit he's got great detective skills but I still think that that and recognizing Shiho's hair is just too exaggerated; unless, as I said, he knows her moves too well, which leads to the probability that they know each other too well.
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It wasn't reflex. Haibara's reflex was being surprised to Ayumi grabbing her but after that she looked at Ayumi and after Ayumi spoke to her is when she said her line. She was directly talking to Ayumi. As for the chimney scene, as cool/creepy as it would be for Gin to know Shiho's breathing pattern, the real reason he knew Shiho was the one in the chimney was because he found another stand of her hair by it. After that, he knew Shiho would climb up the chimney instead of down because it was the smarter choice.
Girl19 wrote: And of course Ai's not afraid of death. If she were, she wouldn't have stayed in that bus. She's afraid of the BO more than death, because dying would releave her, but if she lives and the BO finds her, they may somehow decide to punish her before instead of simlpy killing her. I think that's why she took APTX in the first place, she decided to kill herself before waiting for her punishment from AnoKata.
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Shiho was part of the B.O. all her life, so I think she would be familiar with their workings in all situations. With that said, I don't think she fears being "punished" because the B.O. doesn't work like that. Even their most ruthless member just kills without emotion(..well maybe happiness) which is why her nightmares revolved around seeing everyone around her dead, not her being tortured. The reason she took the APTX4869 was because she knew they placed her in that room to kill her(but I don't think it's clear if she knew that was gas room or not) and she opted to suicide then give someone like Gin the satisfaction of doing it. 
@ranger: Thanks, yeah after you rewatch the episode(after the FBI arc is completed) it just clicks that he's probably thinking about Akai but there really isn't any evidence to confirm it.
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Girl19 wrote: I don't think there's any contradiction. I only said that those facts I gave hint to something going on between them. It can simply mean that they know each other too well? I'll explain more below..
I guess it can but using the naked flashback as evidence just sends it into romance/sexual territory.
Girl19 wrote: The thing is, I'm not trying to prove that GinXShiho is a "real" couple or anything; so I'm not saying that he loves her or is obsessed with her just because he imagined her naked. However, I'm sure that when Gosho drew that, he had a certain idea in his mind which he might be explaining later, or not. :D
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It should be explained but it most likely won't  ;D. I believe that Gosho just did it for the added effect without knowing that it would breed "Shiho was in a relationship with Gin"/"Shiho was raped by Gin"(..I really dislike this one) theories..passed around as facts(evil Detective Conan secrets books or something).
But it would be nice if Gosho just killed all these theories with a quick segment where Haibara tells Conan Gin is a jerk because he walked in on her during a shower and wouldn't leave until she told him the secret behind her shampoo regimen.
I vehemently agree with TheBlind on all the above, with the exception of Aoyama-sensei not necessarily knowing what the naked back imagining would breed - unless you're saying he didn't expect that people would take the implications as fact.  Then I agree with everything, especially the shampoo regimen part.
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Girl19 wrote: It's true that Ai's hair-color is distinct, but I don't think it's evidence enough to suspect her be sure about her identity. Besides, the footprints around his car were those of children, so that means 2 young people were in there, yet he was sure about Shiho's presence just from one freaking single brown hair? I'm not convinced.
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Well, in the order the events unfolded it's extremely believable. Footprints around his car get Gin in alert mode, even if they are of children. He gets in the car sees a strand of hair that isn't his or Vodka, tells Vodka to shut up(he was going to do this anyway probably), searches the car and finds the listening device. With all this he goes from wishful thinking of "this hair looks similar to Shiho's" to "So you made the first move Shiho". I understand you aren't fully convinced as trying to find the logic in it takes away from the magic of Gin just knowing it's Shiho because he's that evil.
Conan himself found it strange that Gin would recognize Shiho from one hair. (::sigh:: Not so clear from this, but the Case Closed graphic novel elaborates with: “And can they really identify someone by one strand of hair?â€
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Conan himself found it strange that Gin would recognize Shiho from one hair. (::sigh:: Not so clear from this, but the Case Closed graphic novel elaborates with: “And can they really identify someone by one strand of hair?â€
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TheBlind wrote: Gin found the hair-searches car-finds listening device-deduces it's Shiho because the evidence points to her-deduces that there is a possibility she will be at the hotel because she heard their conversation(in the B.O. Shiho is a prodigy, so I doubt Gin would underestimate her)-finds the exact same kind of hair near the chimney and hears breathing coming from it- deduces that Shiho will take the safe option of climbing up than running into him outside the door.
No, Gin knew Shiho would go to the hotel after hearing about the presence of the drug (::sigh:: but it's “without a doubtâ€
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Nyarl wrote:
TheBlind wrote: Gin found the hair-searches car-finds listening device-deduces it's Shiho because the evidence points to her-deduces that there is a possibility she will be at the hotel because she heard their conversation(in the B.O. Shiho is a prodigy, so I doubt Gin would underestimate her)-finds the exact same kind of hair near the chimney and hears breathing coming from it- deduces that Shiho will take the safe option of climbing up than running into him outside the door.
No, Gin knew Shiho would go to the hotel after hearing about the presence of the drug (::sigh:: but it's “without a doubtâ€
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lol,that Gin pic is hilarious!!!  ;D

@GinXSherry disskusion
I actually like that pairing two, it DOES seem they know eachother very well and I can understand what people like about them although I doubt we will ever know if there really was or wasn't something between them back in the BO.
Personally I like this thrill between them so why not let people dream as long as nobody is saying this is the one and only pairing in the series?  :D
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Mahjong wrote: lol,that Gin pic is hilarious!!!  ;D

@GinXSherry disskusion
I actually like that pairing two, it DOES seem they know eachother very well and I can understand what people like about them although I doubt we will ever know if there really was or wasn't something between them back in the BO.
Vodka can't keep a secret, if it did happen he'll eventually let it slip. ;D
Mahjong wrote: Personally I like this thrill between them so why not let people dream as long as nobody is saying this is the one and only pairing in the series?  :D
Bringing in "compromise" and "understating" into a conversation of differences? Where do you think we are?!
/joke

On a serious note, I'm not "arguing" against this pairing because I think it's wrong(I agree that it would add more drama) but just showing that all the evidence for this pairing can be explain in a different way.
My preferred pairing of these two would be if Gin acted as a big brother/mentor to Shiho while in the B.O. Which is why he's so intrigued as to why she escaped and why he wants her dead.
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My preferred pairing of these two would be if Gin acted as a big brother/mentor to Shiho while in the B.O. Which is why he's so intrigued as to why she escaped and why he wants her dead.
yeah,that's a possibility....i was thinking of that too,afterall,we didn't said that Gin and Shiho were in love ,and i don't think at all she was rapted by Gin (i don't like this idea too),but it's possible thay had a relationship(considering that he seems to know her very well,and how they talk to each other...)  when she was in BO...relationship has a large meaning...

anyway,i hope gosho will clarify this stuff one day...
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TheBlind wrote: Bringing in "compromise" and "understating" into a conversation of differences? Where do you think we are?!
/joke

On a serious note, I'm not "arguing" against this pairing because I think it's wrong(I agree that it would add more drama) but just showing that all the evidence for this pairing can be explain in a different way.
My preferred pairing of these two would be if Gin acted as a big brother/mentor to Shiho while in the B.O. Which is why he's so intrigued as to why she escaped and why he wants her dead.
lol  ;D

I totaly agree he could've been a mentor as well
or maybe just the one who was supposed to keep an eye on Sherry and they just grew kinda close...

by the way I have a question - recently I have seen some arcticle on some site about Gin and his real name and it said something about a panel around volume 28(or so)where some male name is besides Shihos in a guestbook or something
I've even searched this but I have no idea what this article was talking about and I doubt it's true but just to be on the safe side - does anybody has an idea what that was about?  ???
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Mahjong wrote: by the way I have a question - recently I have seen some arcticle on some site about Gin and his real name and it said something about a panel around volume 28(or so)where some male name is besides Shihos in a guestbook or something
I've even searched this but I have no idea what this article was talking about and I doubt it's true but just to be on the safe side - does anybody has an idea what that was about?  ???
You're referring to the Mermaid Case aka And Then There Were No Mermaids.  From what I've gathered, it's 1/2 from the anime and 1/2 from the manga - and the name is not directly beside Shiho's.  Pure speculation at this point, I'm afraid.
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yeah that was the case!  :)
so it really is only speculation, too bad but thanks anyway, I wasn't sure where to find this  :D
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TheBlind wrote: I can't see the difference between "Gin deduced she would be at the hotel after hearing his conversation" and "Gin knew she would be at the hotel after hearing about the drug".
I suppose there's not much difference once the “there is a possibilityâ€
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