SPOILER: What do we know about the BO Boss?

[ShinRan36]

Lol.. Gosho saıd that ıf we would know the real BO Name than we would know who the leader ıs.. Its a strange thınkıng but how about Akaı?? If the BO name ıs The Red Organısatıon or somethıng lıke thıs the leader would  be Akaı..) And ıt really would be a shock for Aı.. And maybe thats why no bo member know somethıng about hım..

[soratothamax]

Lol.. Gosho saıd that ıf we would know the real BO Name than we would know who the leader ıs.. Its a strange thınkıng but how about Akaı?? If the BO name ıs The Red Organısatıon or somethıng lıke thıs the leader would  be Akaı..) And ıt really would be a shock for Aı.. And maybe thats why no bo member know somethıng about hım..

I didn't think of that! I have always called it the Black Organization! Akemi said the only thing she knew about the BO was that they all wore black. She didn't have a very high status in the BO, so....I wonder if Ai knows the real name.....hmmm...she probably would've said it if she did. But I bet anything her parents knew the "real" name. Clash of Red and Black signifies "Akai" which I think means red in Japanese or a short word for it, and Black of course represents the BO.....so, it makes sense....I still wish Akai would return. For some reason, I don't like Conan being the only silver bullet.....

I don't think the boss is that recognizable. Heck, I don't even think he lives in Japan. Remember, Ai was sent to AMERICA for schooling to be watched by the bO. We might not be familiar with who he is yet.

[Rellik]

I don't think the boss is that recognizable. Heck, I don't even think he lives in Japan. Remember, Ai was sent to AMERICA for schooling to be watched by the bO. We might not be familiar with who he is yet.

but its no fun if the boss isnt some1 we met yet 

i certainly wouldn't like some random guy to suddenly appear and say he was the boss - with like a big red button that can destroy the world

[soratothamax]

I don't think the boss is that recognizable. Heck, I don't even think he lives in Japan. Remember, Ai was sent to AMERICA for schooling to be watched by the bO. We might not be familiar with who he is yet.

but its no fun if the boss isnt some1 we met yet 

i certainly wouldn't like some random guy to suddenly appear and say he was the boss - with like a big red button that can destroy the world

yea, you've got a point.

But I still don't think we know him yet. Whoever he is, I don't think we know the person yet. I do feel he will be introduced as someone later in the story, and it'll be someone we least expect to be the boss. I think we will be introduced to more characters from the BO before we truly know the boss....

[ccppfan]

I don't think the boss is that recognizable. Heck, I don't even think he lives in Japan. Remember, Ai was sent to AMERICA for schooling to be watched by the bO. We might not be familiar with who he is yet.

but its no fun if the boss isnt some1 we met yet 

i certainly wouldn't like some random guy to suddenly appear and say he was the boss - with like a big red button that can destroy the world

yea, you've got a point.

But I still don't think we know him yet. Whoever he is, I don't think we know the person yet. I do feel he will be introduced as someone later in the story, and it'll be someone we least expect to be the boss. I think we will be introduced to more characters from the BO before we truly know the boss....

Maybe, like Shugo Chara, we won't know the boss until near the end of the series.

[AICHAN]

Lol.. Gosho saıd that ıf we would know the real BO Name than we would know who the leader ıs.. Its a strange thınkıng but how about Akaı?? If the BO name ıs The Red Organısatıon or somethıng lıke thıs the leader would  be Akaı..) And ıt really would be a shock for Aı.. And maybe thats why no bo member know somethıng about hım..

I didn't think of that! I have always called it the Black Organization! Akemi said the only thing she knew about the BO was that they all wore black. She didn't have a very high status in the BO, so....I wonder if Ai knows the real name.....hmmm...she probably would've said it if she did. But I bet anything her parents knew the "real" name. Clash of Red and Black signifies "Akai" which I think means red in Japanese or a short word for it, and Black of course represents the BO.....so, it makes sense....I still wish Akai would return. For some reason, I don't like Conan being the only silver bullet.....

I don't think the boss is that recognizable. Heck, I don't even think he lives in Japan. Remember, Ai was sent to AMERICA for schooling to be watched by the bO. We might not be familiar with who he is yet.

yes you're right,we don't know if he's japanese or american(since bo and cia is involved,it means that the bo have activities  and high members in usa,like vermouth)
but if gosho said that the boss appears in "some form",it means that he already has been introduced in the manga,but maybe not in person

Spoiler:

    by the way i love your signature sorathomax,these 2 girls are singers?                                                                                             

[AgOkami]

The name of the leader has been mentioned in some form.

I'm a genious \o/

[FanOfShinichi]

The name of the leader has been mentioned in some form.

I'm a genious \o/

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!

Yes, you are a genious... XDDDDD

Back to the topic: The only suspicious guy to me is Haibara's father (I've mentioned before, not in this thread). Like some guys said before in this thread, the "Nanatsu no ko"/"Seven Children" is sad and full of loneliness. It may refers to the Boss'  lonely feeling about his disappeared family, and somehow wants it to comeback again, which is now too late. The only relative he has left is Shiho, yet he still have to kill her... I don't know if I'm just thinking too much, but I have the feeling that he doesn't want her to die.

Remember, each time, he only send ONE agent to capture Sherry. The only agent knew what happened to Vermouth at the "Move it angel" scene was Calvados, but he's dead, so I think the boss didn't know that V had successfully found Sherry (since she's secretive). He might be afraid that V was able to do that, so he sent her a suspicious message like: "I've given you too much freedom. Come back to my side..."
The 2nd time is Bourbon, who is good at information gathering, but it seems like his only interest is AKAI... Lol

[TheBlind]

The name of the leader has been mentioned in some form.

I'm a genious \o/

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!

Yes, you are a genious... XDDDDD

Back to the topic: The only suspicious guy to me is Haibara's father (I've mentioned before, not in this thread). Like some guys said before in this thread, the "Nanatsu no ko"/"Seven Children" is sad and full of loneliness. It may refers to the Boss'  lonely feeling about his disappeared family, and somehow wants it to comeback again, which is now too late. The only relative he has left is Shiho, yet he still have to kill her... I don't know if I'm just thinking too much, but I have the feeling that he doesn't want her to die.

Remember, each time, he only send ONE agent to capture Sherry. The only agent knew what happened to Vermouth at the "Move it angel" scene was Calvados, but he's dead, so I think the boss didn't know that V had successfully found Sherry (since she's secretive). He might be afraid that V was able to do that, so he sent her a suspicious message like: "I've given you too much freedom. Come back to my side..."
The 2nd time is Bourbon, who is good at information gathering, but it seems like his only interest is AKAI... Lol

This one always seems interesting but it never fully checks out as Akemi is dead. Someone strong enough to control Gin wouldn't just brush off that his daughter has been killed by one of his employees. Also same guy wouldn't try to gas his second daughter because she doesn't want to cooperate any longer.

[CoolKid3]

James Black is pretty suspicious... It would be an interesting twist if Akai is the BO Boss (but I highly doubt this one)... I hope anyone from Kogoro Mouri, Dr. Agassa & Kudo Yusaku doesn't end up as the BO Boss...

I have an intuition that the BO Boss is the original Kaito Kid. I would also like Gin to end up as the BO Boss just like what's going on with the Akatsuki Organization in Naruto wherein there's an acting leader and there's the real leader....

[Kanou_Saizou]

Spoiler:

So I know I am bringing this topic way out of the past, but after watching movie 13, it affirms my original suspicions that Superintendent Matsumoto is the Boss of the B.O. Just hear me out.
- It doesnt make sense that Vermouth was in the cabin with him. If you remember correctly, you could clearly see her shadow holding a gun inside the cabin while the Detective Boys. Why would she be "keeping guard".
-Usually if something were to go wrong for example, an operatives cover being blown, she would call the boss not Gin, her and Gin dont exactly have the best relationship. The reason she called him was because Matsumoto clearlyy already know.
-Irish was used as a tool from the beginning, Matsumoto/Gin never had any intention of letting him live.
-Matsumoto was never interrogated after his abduction, I thought it was really strange that the Superintendent didn't have one single line in the entire movie. This does not prove anything but I just thought it was strange. I mean who better than Super Mats. to be the head of the B.O. it explains why they have never been investigated by the police. Over time they must have left some trace of their existence, and who better to squash the investigation than the "Superintendent" of the Japanese Police dept.  but back to the evidence....

- Have you guys noticed that he is getting alot more face time in camera as of recent, even had his own story arc. As the series comes closer to its end, the "Boss" whoever he may be, has to develop some sort of report or character, and I don't think this is any coincidence.

- In conclusion, I think the main evidence from the 13th movie is that vermouth was "guarding" him in the cabin without a mask, we know that he was conscious because of all of the food he ate. He, without a doubt, saw Chris Vineyards  face and made no mention to anyone about his captors. If you watch all the episodes with the BO and keep the idea the Super Mats. is the Boss, it makes sense.

-The only piece of evidence that could contradict this is the beetles. Why would make the beetles with a clue to help him? Well if you noticed at the end, he was tied up, so he wouldnt be able to put the stickers on the beetles anyway. I think that he was ties up after Vermouth realized that they had been discovered and that he put the stickers on the beetles so that someone would eventually find him. Think about it, If noone ever found him, the plan would not work.

I know that there are going to be ppl who will definately not agree with me on this one, but please give me feedback and let me know what you think. WORD, Go Terps!

[Kor]

Spoiler:

So I know I am bringing this topic way out of the past, but after watching movie 13, it affirms my original suspicions that Superintendent Matsumoto is the Boss of the B.O. Just hear me out.
- It doesnt make sense that Vermouth was in the cabin with him. If you remember correctly, you could clearly see her shadow holding a gun inside the cabin while the Detective Boys. Why would she be "keeping guard".
-Usually if something were to go wrong for example, an operatives cover being blown, she would call the boss not Gin, her and Gin dont exactly have the best relationship. The reason she called him was because Matsumoto clearlyy already know.
-Irish was used as a tool from the beginning, Matsumoto/Gin never had any intention of letting him live.
-Matsumoto was never interrogated after his abduction, I thought it was really strange that the Superintendent didn't have one single line in the entire movie. This does not prove anything but I just thought it was strange. I mean who better than Super Mats. to be the head of the B.O. it explains why they have never been investigated by the police. Over time they must have left some trace of their existence, and who better to squash the investigation than the "Superintendent" of the Japanese Police dept.  but back to the evidence....

- Have you guys noticed that he is getting alot more face time in camera as of recent, even had his own story arc. As the series comes closer to its end, the "Boss" whoever he may be, has to develop some sort of report or character, and I don't think this is any coincidence.

- In conclusion, I think the main evidence from the 13th movie is that vermouth was "guarding" him in the cabin without a mask, we know that he was conscious because of all of the food he ate. He, without a doubt, saw Chris Vineyards  face and made no mention to anyone about his captors. If you watch all the episodes with the BO and keep the idea the Super Mats. is the Boss, it makes sense.

-The only piece of evidence that could contradict this is the beetles. Why would make the beetles with a clue to help him? Well if you noticed at the end, he was tied up, so he wouldnt be able to put the stickers on the beetles anyway. I think that he was ties up after Vermouth realized that they had been discovered and that he put the stickers on the beetles so that someone would eventually find him. Think about it, If noone ever found him, the plan would not work.

I know that there are going to be ppl who will definately not agree with me on this one, but please give me feedback and let me know what you think. WORD, Go Terps!

Movies aren't canon and shouldn't be taken into acount for the fact that they are not part of the story and the only true story is whatever happens in the manga.

[Kanou_Saizou]

Spoiler:

So I know I am bringing this topic way out of the past, but after watching movie 13, it affirms my original suspicions that Superintendent Matsumoto is the Boss of the B.O. Just hear me out.
- It doesnt make sense that Vermouth was in the cabin with him. If you remember correctly, you could clearly see her shadow holding a gun inside the cabin while the Detective Boys. Why would she be "keeping guard".
-Usually if something were to go wrong for example, an operatives cover being blown, she would call the boss not Gin, her and Gin dont exactly have the best relationship. The reason she called him was because Matsumoto clearlyy already know.
-Irish was used as a tool from the beginning, Matsumoto/Gin never had any intention of letting him live.
-Matsumoto was never interrogated after his abduction, I thought it was really strange that the Superintendent didn't have one single line in the entire movie. This does not prove anything but I just thought it was strange. I mean who better than Super Mats. to be the head of the B.O. it explains why they have never been investigated by the police. Over time they must have left some trace of their existence, and who better to squash the investigation than the "Superintendent" of the Japanese Police dept.  but back to the evidence....

- Have you guys noticed that he is getting alot more face time in camera as of recent, even had his own story arc. As the series comes closer to its end, the "Boss" whoever he may be, has to develop some sort of report or character, and I don't think this is any coincidence.

- In conclusion, I think the main evidence from the 13th movie is that vermouth was "guarding" him in the cabin without a mask, we know that he was conscious because of all of the food he ate. He, without a doubt, saw Chris Vineyards  face and made no mention to anyone about his captors. If you watch all the episodes with the BO and keep the idea the Super Mats. is the Boss, it makes sense.

-The only piece of evidence that could contradict this is the beetles. Why would make the beetles with a clue to help him? Well if you noticed at the end, he was tied up, so he wouldnt be able to put the stickers on the beetles anyway. I think that he was ties up after Vermouth realized that they had been discovered and that he put the stickers on the beetles so that someone would eventually find him. Think about it, If noone ever found him, the plan would not work.

I know that there are going to be ppl who will definately not agree with me on this one, but please give me feedback and let me know what you think. WORD, Go Terps!

Movies aren't canon and shouldn't be taken into acount for the fact that they are not part of the story and the only true story is whatever happens in the manga.

They have referenced the the movies in the show and they have referenced the show in the movies, in the beginning of mov 13 they reference ep. 345, 346 etc. I dunno. Lets say what you say is true, you still digress from the point i was trying to make. I am not saying I am right by any means but that is just semantics.

[Kor]

Spoiler:

So I know I am bringing this topic way out of the past, but after watching movie 13, it affirms my original suspicions that Superintendent Matsumoto is the Boss of the B.O. Just hear me out.
- It doesnt make sense that Vermouth was in the cabin with him. If you remember correctly, you could clearly see her shadow holding a gun inside the cabin while the Detective Boys. Why would she be "keeping guard".
-Usually if something were to go wrong for example, an operatives cover being blown, she would call the boss not Gin, her and Gin dont exactly have the best relationship. The reason she called him was because Matsumoto clearlyy already know.
-Irish was used as a tool from the beginning, Matsumoto/Gin never had any intention of letting him live.
-Matsumoto was never interrogated after his abduction, I thought it was really strange that the Superintendent didn't have one single line in the entire movie. This does not prove anything but I just thought it was strange. I mean who better than Super Mats. to be the head of the B.O. it explains why they have never been investigated by the police. Over time they must have left some trace of their existence, and who better to squash the investigation than the "Superintendent" of the Japanese Police dept.  but back to the evidence....

- Have you guys noticed that he is getting alot more face time in camera as of recent, even had his own story arc. As the series comes closer to its end, the "Boss" whoever he may be, has to develop some sort of report or character, and I don't think this is any coincidence.

- In conclusion, I think the main evidence from the 13th movie is that vermouth was "guarding" him in the cabin without a mask, we know that he was conscious because of all of the food he ate. He, without a doubt, saw Chris Vineyards  face and made no mention to anyone about his captors. If you watch all the episodes with the BO and keep the idea the Super Mats. is the Boss, it makes sense.

-The only piece of evidence that could contradict this is the beetles. Why would make the beetles with a clue to help him? Well if you noticed at the end, he was tied up, so he wouldnt be able to put the stickers on the beetles anyway. I think that he was ties up after Vermouth realized that they had been discovered and that he put the stickers on the beetles so that someone would eventually find him. Think about it, If noone ever found him, the plan would not work.

I know that there are going to be ppl who will definately not agree with me on this one, but please give me feedback and let me know what you think. WORD, Go Terps!

Movies aren't canon and shouldn't be taken into acount for the fact that they are not part of the story and the only true story is whatever happens in the manga.

They have referenced the the movies in the show and they have referenced the show in the movies, in the beginning of mov 13 they reference ep. 345, 346 etc. I dunno. Lets say what you say is true, you still digress from the point i was trying to make. I am not saying I am right by any means but that is just semantics.

I didn't say you are wrong about your theory, just that taking evidance from the movies isn't proving anything. While it is true that the movies were referenced in the anime, I don't recall any time they were referenced in the manga, and the manga is what matters. It's like trying to prove that Kaito Kid knows Conan's identity. While it is true regarding the movies, there is no evidance in the manga that it's true.

[AgOkami]

Spoiler:

So I know I am bringing this topic way out of the past, but after watching movie 13, it affirms my original suspicions that Superintendent Matsumoto is the Boss of the B.O. Just hear me out.
- It doesnt make sense that Vermouth was in the cabin with him. If you remember correctly, you could clearly see her shadow holding a gun inside the cabin while the Detective Boys. Why would she be "keeping guard".
-Usually if something were to go wrong for example, an operatives cover being blown, she would call the boss not Gin, her and Gin dont exactly have the best relationship. The reason she called him was because Matsumoto clearlyy already know.
-Irish was used as a tool from the beginning, Matsumoto/Gin never had any intention of letting him live.
-Matsumoto was never interrogated after his abduction, I thought it was really strange that the Superintendent didn't have one single line in the entire movie. This does not prove anything but I just thought it was strange. I mean who better than Super Mats. to be the head of the B.O. it explains why they have never been investigated by the police. Over time they must have left some trace of their existence, and who better to squash the investigation than the "Superintendent" of the Japanese Police dept.  but back to the evidence....

- Have you guys noticed that he is getting alot more face time in camera as of recent, even had his own story arc. As the series comes closer to its end, the "Boss" whoever he may be, has to develop some sort of report or character, and I don't think this is any coincidence.

- In conclusion, I think the main evidence from the 13th movie is that vermouth was "guarding" him in the cabin without a mask, we know that he was conscious because of all of the food he ate. He, without a doubt, saw Chris Vineyards  face and made no mention to anyone about his captors. If you watch all the episodes with the BO and keep the idea the Super Mats. is the Boss, it makes sense.

-The only piece of evidence that could contradict this is the beetles. Why would make the beetles with a clue to help him? Well if you noticed at the end, he was tied up, so he wouldnt be able to put the stickers on the beetles anyway. I think that he was ties up after Vermouth realized that they had been discovered and that he put the stickers on the beetles so that someone would eventually find him. Think about it, If noone ever found him, the plan would not work.

I know that there are going to be ppl who will definately not agree with me on this one, but please give me feedback and let me know what you think. WORD, Go Terps!

Movies aren't canon and shouldn't be taken into acount for the fact that they are not part of the story and the only true story is whatever happens in the manga.

They have referenced the the movies in the show and they have referenced the show in the movies, in the beginning of mov 13 they reference ep. 345, 346 etc. I dunno. Lets say what you say is true, you still digress from the point i was trying to make. I am not saying I am right by any means but that is just semantics.

Maybe the anime originals and those episodes where they have added some extra stuff, but as far as I can remember nothing at all from the movies have ever been mentioned in the manga. The anime got so much extra stuff and have skipped lots of info, so we cant use the anime much to find out who's the leader. And especially not the movies. (According to the movies, Shinichi can sing perfectly well and play the violin  which has been explained both in the anime and the manga that it's not true =P )