Ai + Conan

[AICHAN]

Hey, people-who-like-Ai-and-keep-track-of-what-she-does-better-than-I-do, can you help me gather evidence that Haibara does indeed tell the truth a lot? There is a debate going on here.

You mean like when she told Conan that Gin is left-handed or that she has a scent of Okiya or something like that? Or general, over her feelings, what she thinks of the situation, etc.?

I think Chekhov means to the heavy plot-related stuff, such as was the Org really searching in Shinichi's house or other things that Shinichi only knows thanks to Haibara (I personally think it's stupid for Haibara to lie because if she lied about something, her character would suffer greatly for it in the end, not only in Conan's eyes, but in the reader's eyes as well)

I think if she lied about something,it would be for a good reason,and  it wouldn't  be enough to hate her...

but I dont think she lied on things related to the BO...she's more a person who hides informations to protect herself or the people she likes...

[Kor]

I think if she lied about something,it would be for a good reason,and  it wouldn't  be enough to hate her...

Actually, as far as Sstimson's theory goes (which is the reason why Chekhov presented the question above), Haibara ends as the.....biggest manipulator in the series while working for the organization the whole time, or something along those lines (To me the whole thing sounds rather silly), which is why I said what I said. (though I didn't use the word "hate" I will never hate Haibara....she just might become a little less awesome).

but I dont think she lied on things related to the BO...she's more a person who hides informations to protect herself or the people she likes...

Yeah, that too. She already hides a lot of info. A character who gives false info, but at the same time keeps info to herself.......it's possible, but then there is no point.

[AICHAN]

I think if she lied about something,it would be for a good reason,and  it wouldn't  be enough to hate her...

Actually, as far as Sstimson's theory goes (which is the reason why Chekhov presented the question above), Haibara ends as the.....biggest manipulator in the series while working for the organization the whole time, or something along those lines (To me the whole thing sounds rather silly), which is why I said what I said. (though I didn't use the word "hate" I will never hate Haibara....she just might become a little less awesome).

LOLXD yeah I read Sstimson's theories until page...3 
I wouldn't call it silly,but the whole thing doesn't make sense to me...there's no proof that Haibara lied,or still working secretly for the BO...
anyway,even if Haibara lied on something about BO,I won't find her less awesome...

[soratothamax]

Hey, people-who-like-Ai-and-keep-track-of-what-she-does-better-than-I-do, can you help me gather evidence that Haibara does indeed tell the truth a lot? There is a debate going on here.

Wow I can't believe that person is so adamant to prove their theory....lol However, the theory doesn't sound silly to me. In all perfect honesty, anything is quite possible. I am not going to tear down the theory just because I'm an Ai supporter...then again, her being evil would actually increase my like of her, since I love the villains more than the heroes and heroines in DC....I think it would make her character more complex.

But it is just as likely possible for her to just be afraid.

People do irrational things in fear. "Physical evidence" is not the only evidence Shinichi has used to solve cases, but simple human emotion and human psychology was also used. The problem with a lot of people here, and this isn't everyone, as they only see physical evidence as proof of something, when the physical evidence could very well not be the truth, but people take it as proof. A theory without physical proof might be more correct, considering who is really the author here. Also, keep in mind these are theories, or ideas, not fact, so any proof is really futile because theories have a 30/100 chance of not being true, if even that much. They are ideas, not facts that need to be proven.

So I think I will consider this person's ideas.

[Kor]

anyway,even if Haibara lied on something about BO,I won't find her less awesome...

I mean as a character. If all this time she was lying about everything, then all the character development was for nothing, Ran saved her for nothing. Hell, it doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.

[AICHAN]

anyway,even if Haibara lied on something about BO,I won't find her less awesome...

I mean as a character. If all this time she was lying about everything, then all the character development was for nothing, Ran saved her for nothing. Hell, it doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.

LOLXD yeah you're right...
I don't want to waste my time with that theory based on nothing...

[James Rye]

Hey, people-who-like-Ai-and-keep-track-of-what-she-does-better-than-I-do, can you help me gather evidence that Haibara does indeed tell the truth a lot? There is a debate going on here.

Wow I can't believe that person is so adamant to prove their theory....lol

You sure you should say that?^^;
*looks at soras longlongloooooooooong posts over Aicon (why it´s so great) and Ranichi (why it sucks) in this and the Ran + Shinichi thread*
You really sure? XDDDDD

Of cource i don´t belive his theory is true. Doesn´t make sense for me, but same goes for Ai´s feelings for some DC-fans, so:

[soratothamax]

Hey, people-who-like-Ai-and-keep-track-of-what-she-does-better-than-I-do, can you help me gather evidence that Haibara does indeed tell the truth a lot? There is a debate going on here.

Wow I can't believe that person is so adamant to prove their theory....lol

You sure you should say that?^^;
*looks at soras longlongloooooooooong posts over Aicon (why it´s so great) and Ranichi (why it sucks) in this and the Ran + Shinichi thread*
You really sure? XDDDDD

Of cource i don´t belive his theory is true. Doesn´t make sense for me, but same goes for Ai´s feelings for some DC-fans, so:

Trust me I'm actually admiring the person, look above. The rest of my post was erased somehow....

[soratothamax]

anyway,even if Haibara lied on something about BO,I won't find her less awesome...

I mean as a character. If all this time she was lying about everything, then all the character development was for nothing, Ran saved her for nothing. Hell, it doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.

Then again, I'm not going to say that Gosho hasn't done any waste-of-time things before. Ran has saved Vermouth before and she was evil as sin, so that doesn't count.

And it would be the same with OkiyaxAkai theory, which I'm not going to debate. But if he's really Akai, then all that development for Okiya's character would be a waste...if this is the case, it's possible Gosho doesn't care about wasting his characters.

It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just too perplexing to think about. Most people are simple-minded. They don't think it makes sense that people would take things to that extreme as to lie but everything, but the BO is an organization of extremes, and it's the reality of the world we live in. People do what they want to do. So if it does happen, it would make sense. In fact, it would be a big twist because Conan never expected it, no matter how smart he was....

I've seen an episode on Law and Order with that scenario, where the girl acted like she was innocent, and pretended to be a victim in three episodes, but was actually the real culprit and lied about everything....it was three-parter. 

which in my opinion Gosho would never be that clever...he's too "surface" of a guy himself to make a deep storyline like that.

[AICHAN]

I've seen an episode on Law and Order with that scenario, where the girl acted like she was innocent, and pretended to be a victim in three episodes, but was actually the real culprit and lied about everything....it was three-parter. 

LOLXD it was a great episode

anyway,i still think that theory doesn't make sense to me,but who knows...

[Kor]

Then again, I'm not going to say that Gosho hasn't done any waste-of-time things before. Ran has saved Vermouth before and she was evil as sin, so that doesn't count.

It's not about Ran. It's about Haibara being saved by Ran, which should have effected her (though I kinda curse Gosho on that part, because the only time we've seen any development on that part was in episode 425 and since then Haibara and Ran barely interacted)

And it would be the same with OkiyaxAkai theory, which I'm not going to debate. But if he's really Akai, then all that development for Okiya's character would be a waste...

eh......what development? The part that he knows how to cook or the part that he doesn't know the word "subtle" when it comes to stalking someone? (if you're referring to the part that he likes to watch Kaito Kid on TV, then it's not canon) 

[soratothamax]

It's not about Ran. It's about Haibara being saved by Ran, which should have effected her (though I kinda curse Gosho on that part, because the only time we've seen any development on that part was in episode 425 and since then Haibara and Ran barely interacted)

That's purely perception that Haibara was meant to learn anything from it or was effected by it. It doesn't disprove the theory.

But yea, I've been waiting from more development between Ran and Haibara too, and it kind of sucks that Gosho is holding out on the most interesting parts of the plot and story....

eh......what development? The part that he knows how to cook or the part that he doesn't know the word "subtle" when it comes to stalking someone? (if you're referring to the part that he likes to watch Kaito Kid on TV, then it's not canon) 

LOL that was funny! rofl

On a serious note, development is not just in character personality, but taking time to come up with a character's look, demeanor, character traits, and taking time to draw it all out. That's all part of his character development even if he is an enigmatic figure in his personality. Also his interactions separate from other characters...Not to mention, allowing him to have a unique voice, and letting the anime company choose the voice-over you want for the character.

But this is a debate I won't start.

[Detective Prince]

Personally I think she's lieing about some stuff, but only because she doesn't want Conan to die. I mean look at how freaked out she got when Conan wanted to take on Vermouth. 

[randompi314159]

I still say she's holding back some information, though I don't think she's lying...of course there could be another epic plot twist, as this probably isn't ending anytime soon. Though if she has, I probably wouldn't think any less of her as character.

[Detective Tommy]

What if Ai is secretly following Conan and still working for the BO loljk Ai knows something about the boss but doesn't want to tell Conan because she knows Conan might die..
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