Ai + Conan

[soratothamax]

Another way to keep the board going and let it reach 300 pages!!!! And ward off the enemy who will lose all of their will to argue at the hands of such a long post! lol

[Searcher]

Another post where soratothamax explains my feelings about Aicon with words
It's good that a person like soratothamax exist, and is a Aicon fan , because I cann't write my feelings down like her.

[randompi314159]

Interesting, I never thought about it from a psychological stand point before, partly because I didn't learn human psychology yet. And I'll admit those are valid points.

[soratothamax]

Another post where soratothamax explains my feelings about Aicon with words
It's good that a person like soratothamax exist, and is a Aicon fan , because I cann't write my feelings down like her.

Haha! Thank you, thank you! I was just examining some of the posts in the board, and realizing that even among AiCon fans there are differences in perspective about AiCon so I looked to psychology to explain why people are attracted to what they consider a "pair". What is surprising is the number of AiCon fans...that's a pretty large amount considering it's non-canon.

Interesting, I never thought about it from a psychological stand point before, partly because I didn't learn human psychology yet. And I'll admit those are valid points.

yea, that class makes my brain hurt, but it makes me think. 

Yea, I think it would always be difficult to explain why certain people like certain couples and others don't unless people really understand what they feel about those couples and what they have seen in life that made them like it/dislike it.

[randompi314159]

Interesting, I never thought about it from a psychological stand point before, partly because I didn't learn human psychology yet. And I'll admit those are valid points.

yea, that class makes my brain hurt, but it makes me think. 

Yea, I think it would always be difficult to explain why certain people like certain couples and others don't unless people really understand what they feel about those couples and what they have seen in life that made them like it/dislike it.

Yeah, can't wait to take it next year XD

Mmhmm, yeah, it's very hard. I just look at it from my logical stand point, which doesn't  mean that everyone has the same logic as me, but that's to be expected.

[Conia]

Ah come on. This wasn´t your longest wrote ever. I know pages in this thread were you wrote over three posts and each must have 10000 and more words.

Yeah, I remember those... Catching up with the Ai+Conan thread was always something that smacks your brain

I agree with almost all of it, but I'm sure I wanted to reply to some part of your post sora, let me look it up
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2) Of course the Ran fans (and ayumi fans  ) don't see it at all. They might think they make a bad couple for the opposite reasons. Some of them think that they have nothing in common and so they feel that they can't get along because their moral systems are opposite, they have opposite perspectives on life, and come from totally different backgrounds. Some may say they have TOO MUCH in common which can make them boring, and almost too identical to the point one is lacking in personality development.

I'll be your exception here, if you don't mind
I'm a ShinRan fan, and I'll always pick Ran before Haibara, but I actually can see (and understand) why so much people like AiCon. I think I said earlier in this topic how both of them learn from each other personalities. Since they have opposite personalities, based on what you just posted about their childhood lives and who they were raised, Both only saw one side of the World, but after meeting each other, both realized they were wrong

You pretty much covered EVERYTHING, so I literally can't add something more

Oh, and: ShinRan > AiCon
(I need to keep my ShinRan pride balanced )

[soratothamax]

Yeah, I remember those... Catching up with the Ai+Conan thread was always something that smacks your brain

I agree with almost all of it, but I'm sure I wanted to reply to some part of your post sora, let me look it up
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Proved unsuccessful in warding off this enemy! Darn! 

Yea, long explanations are my specialty.....

I'll be your exception here, if you don't mind
I'm a ShinRan fan, and I'll always pick Ran before Haibara, but I actually can see (and understand) why so much people like AiCon. I think I said earlier in this topic how both of them learn from each other personalities. Since they have opposite personalities, based on what you just posted about their childhood lives and who they were raised, Both only saw one side of the World, but after meeting each other, both realized they were wrong

You pretty much covered EVERYTHING, so I literally can't add something more

Oh, and: ShinRan > AiCon
(I need to keep my ShinRan pride balanced )

you are probably one of the few who do see why others think they look good (or rather admit that they understand why  ). But it is odd for most manga and anime to have a large fanbase for the non-canon....Maybe that's do to DC's length?

For me, I really couldn't understand why people liked ShinRan (aside from the fact it was canon), but I had to come to a better understanding of it by examining the characters from the views of the readers/watchers. So, now i understand where the ShinRan comes from.

Shin Ran < Ai Con 

[Conia]

you are probably one of the few who do see why others think they look good (or rather admit that they understand why  ;D). But it is odd for most manga and anime to have a large fanbase for the non-canon....Maybe that's do to DC's length?

Yep, probably... but I'm not the only ShinRan that comes to this thread, so I don't feel alone

It could be DC length, but also the plot "allows" to imagine non-canon situations. And I agree such a big number of fans like ShinRan is really odd...

Spoiler: Edit

The soras are planning something!

[Soragirl6]

From Soratothemax: Shinichi came from a wealthy, famous home, and mostly lived independently. He was always well-taken care of, parents practically pours money into his pocket, gives him a lot of freedom, never made any demands on him (not school-wise, business-wise, nothing), and are nice and open-minded. He lived the perfect life for a teenage boy. He got everything he ever wanted, including the girl he wanted, and he is popular, charming, and famous in his career at age 17. It's no wonder that he is so confident in himself, daring, courageous, optimistic, and intelligent. He never had anything holding him back, and never had anything teach him that life was hard, or that he had to work hard to achieve anything, or teach him the "darker" side of life. So it is no wonder that he comes off as incompassionate to people in their circumstances, feelings, or ideas. He feels he's right, and no one else, and he rolls his eyes at people who feel down all the time or so emotionally smoldering they cry all the time, because he never suffered anything (until the BO ordeal)

HA HA. Soratothemax...why...why? Why would you make me want to answer back to your long posts so that I also can make a long post because I agree almost with everything you say?!
There's one thing I want to mention:
About the compassion part that Shinichi was lacking, I also feel it might have to do with his parents not giving him any nurture in his childhood.  With them being famous and all I'm sure they probably weren't in his life as much as they should have been and were probably too busy paying attention to their own careers. (which is evident by them not caring if he's by himself in Japan.)  His parents lifestyle was not best for his emotional health because it left him emotionally neglected and the icing on the cake was when they left Shinichi on is own at 17.  Even though, this is what he wanted, it did not help him.  

Growing up this way, now he doesn't know how to love and can't recognize when someone loves him strongly even when he is around them for a long time. (which is the case with Ran and her feelings).  This is my spin on it.  Love what you were saying though.

[soratothamax]

you are probably one of the few who do see why others think they look good (or rather admit that they understand why  ;D). But it is odd for most manga and anime to have a large fanbase for the non-canon....Maybe that's do to DC's length?

Yep, probably... but I'm not the only ShinRan that comes to this thread, so I don't feel alone

It could be DC length, but also the plot "allows" to imagine non-canon situations. And I agree such a big number of fans like ShinRan is really odd...

Spoiler: Edit

The soras are planning something!

True True, there are some points in the plot that throw some non-canon things in there.

The three of us are planning..

Spoiler:

A SORA RAID!!!! MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!

No, but seriously, I don't know why all these people keep stealing my name!!!! 

Spoiler:

I can't believe there are so many Kingdom Hearts fans on here....

[soratothamax]

From Soratothemax: Shinichi came from a wealthy, famous home, and mostly lived independently. He was always well-taken care of, parents practically pours money into his pocket, gives him a lot of freedom, never made any demands on him (not school-wise, business-wise, nothing), and are nice and open-minded. He lived the perfect life for a teenage boy. He got everything he ever wanted, including the girl he wanted, and he is popular, charming, and famous in his career at age 17. It's no wonder that he is so confident in himself, daring, courageous, optimistic, and intelligent. He never had anything holding him back, and never had anything teach him that life was hard, or that he had to work hard to achieve anything, or teach him the "darker" side of life. So it is no wonder that he comes off as incompassionate to people in their circumstances, feelings, or ideas. He feels he's right, and no one else, and he rolls his eyes at people who feel down all the time or so emotionally smoldering they cry all the time, because he never suffered anything (until the BO ordeal)

HA HA. Soratothemax...why...why? Why would you make me want to answer back to your long posts so that I also can make a long post because I agree almost with everything you say?!
There's one thing I want to mention:
About the compassion part that Shinichi was lacking, I also feel it might have to do with his parents not giving him any nurture in his childhood.  With them being famous and all I'm sure they probably weren't in his life as much as they should have been and were probably too busy paying attention to their own careers. (which is evident by them not caring if he's by himself in Japan.)  His parents lifestyle was not best for his emotional health because it left him emotionally neglected and the icing on the cake was when they left Shinichi on is own at 17.  Even though, this is what he wanted, it did not help him.  

Growing up this way, now he doesn't know how to love and can't recognize when someone loves him strongly even when he is around them for a long time. (which is the case with Ran and her feelings).  This is my spin on it.  Love what you were saying though.

hmmmm.....didn't think about that....good observation.  Maybe....but he still is pretty spoiled. He gets attention from everyone else, even if they aren't his parents. He gets everything he wants, even the girl he wants. I mean, how lucky can someone be? 

[Kor]

3) First off, it's important to know what their influences are to make it easier to examine the characters much more. From infancy to age 4, parents are the biggest influence on children. When we take a look at Ran, we see that she came from a disruptive household, a divorced home, and at a very young age was forced to make quick decisions, and take on more responsibilities. Though she still had BOTH her parents around her, the split and divide between them makes her uncomfortable and hurt because she loves them both. This insecurity is evident in her personality, and her super sensitive emotions, as it seems she's always expecting to be disappointed and see how bad things can hurt others. She's very empathetic and compassionate as a result. This also made her want to be much more faithful rather than give up in her relationships like her parents did. She is also willing to accept flaws and all as long as she can hold the relationship together (even if that flaw is abuse, which isn't good for her).

Just wanted to point out that we know that when Ran was 7, Eri and Kogoro were still together.

[soratothamax]

3) First off, it's important to know what their influences are to make it easier to examine the characters much more. From infancy to age 4, parents are the biggest influence on children. When we take a look at Ran, we see that she came from a disruptive household, a divorced home, and at a very young age was forced to make quick decisions, and take on more responsibilities. Though she still had BOTH her parents around her, the split and divide between them makes her uncomfortable and hurt because she loves them both. This insecurity is evident in her personality, and her super sensitive emotions, as it seems she's always expecting to be disappointed and see how bad things can hurt others. She's very empathetic and compassionate as a result. This also made her want to be much more faithful rather than give up in her relationships like her parents did. She is also willing to accept flaws and all as long as she can hold the relationship together (even if that flaw is abuse, which isn't good for her).

Just wanted to point out that we know that when Ran was 7, Eri and Kogoro were still together.

yea, true, good point.

I'm sure the intesity was building up before then though. And also it must be the reason Ran doesn't act EXACTLY like her mother. At age 4, it must've been the reason she saw that a stable family life was right. And so when her parents got divorced when she got older she was set in her mindset at age 4: family unit is right, divorce is wrong. If she had been an infant to age 4 when the divorce happened, she wouldn't have taken the opposite role, she would've thought that that was the only course of action (and she would've followed her mother in her actions). But because she was older when they got divorced, she recognized how damaging it was to her family, and so took the opposite role.

[Searcher]

Although I am a Aicon fan, I find myself feeling sorry for ran (I like the early version ran). Because she doesn't get much emotional development with shinichi/conan.
It would feel strange for me, if shinichixran would happen at the end, but with the same "relationship" they have now.

Still, I am at volume 28 of the manga. So maybe there will be some development later between shinichixran.

Could it be that people like Ai, is that she started with a "clean" emotional slate. And just like the character Data from startrek, we can see Ai having feelings.

[soratothamax]

@ Searcher

That could very well be a reason why people like Ai. Ran seems to lack that emotional development and attachment. But we have to remember whose fault this all was: Shinichi's. Though, yes, Gin was the one who gave him the pill, no one asked Shinichi to go down a dark alleyway by himself, without weapon or backup, and bust anyone. And leave Ran in the park alone by herself at that. Shinichi chose the case over her. And now because of Shinichi's recklessness Gosho writing it this way, Shinichi is not able to to develop with Ran. However, maybe this change of girls or situations was needed for him to grow up from his life as a child, and explore new ways of life, and mature. Being with Ran, he was constantly stuck in his childhood, but now he can grow, change, and move into his future, and see what the world is really about. Now that Shinichi is growing up, he's not that same guy that Ran knew as Shinichi, and I think she even notices that.