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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
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Kleene Onigiri wrote: Yes, of course. One person behaves badly and the "whole group" (be it AiCon or ShinRan) will be labeled as "bashers, flamers etc". Way to go! :3

@rin-chan:
I don't want to sound rude, but if you don't want the get "bashed" then don't start to bash people ;p (some of your statements sound a big "aggressive")
And another thing. Your "writing-style" is kinda off.... it's hard to read with all that bold, cursive, colored and underlined text :/
Who exactly is the one person?
"One person" is generally meant. Since you guys seem to argue that "ShinRan" has more bashing people than "AiCon" and then someone else comes and says that "AiCon" has more bashing people and they started first yadayada...
The point is, that if there is "one black" sheep in a group, then people usually tend to tread the whole group as such. So for example someone from ShinRan-group made a negative comment in the AiCon thread, or even started to bash etc. But this doesn't mean that everyone who supports ShinRan is like that.
Detective Prince wrote: And you see commenting on her typing was unnecessary.
For me it's not unnecessary. Since I just wanted to help her to notice something that makes it hard/annoying for me to read. Because if it stays like that, then I'll just skip her post altogether.

And if my commenting on her typing was unnecessary, then your commenting on my unnecessary behavior is unnecessary too ;p
Detective Prince wrote: I didn't see anything that agressive...
Yeah, for you. But making every text bold etc. makes it seem aggressive. Also stating that ShinRan-fans would come here and "bash" her immediately isn't very nice too ;) Because they could just come and state their own view on a polite way. Because this is indeed a Discussion-Forum ;)
My thing is...with this whole thing...is that yes, it is very easy to say
"I like Ai/Conan because...." but when you go into a ran/Shinichi thread, it is very difficult for me to say why I dislike RanxShinichi without everybody saying "you're bashing" and vise versa, when Ran fans come to Ai/Conan. The thread shouldn't only be about characters you like, but characters that you dislike within a story. It's discussion, and just like people, there are going to be characters/foods/items you dislike/don't trust/or disagree with. People have their reasons for liking things, and some people don't understand their reasons.

No one should put them down just because they say something that everyone else doesn't agree with or understand, but it's hard not to for those people as well.

There is no way of making "dislike" into a positive thing. So that means if someone dislikes the couple or character, they are going to state their reasons why, which is going to be negative. So technically if you don't like the couple, and express your views on it, you are "bashing". which to me is difficult to talk positively about a couple you dislike so this can seem unfair. The reasons are going to have to be on the basis of the personalities represented, and the way the couple is projected.

I think it is safe to say "Please don't bash me" considering there is a lot of bashing going on in these threads because ppl tend to take things the wrong way often (myself included). That's just a precaution for anyone not to harm her idea yet because she is new. That was a sign that she was not intending harm but expressing why she liked Ai/Conan and didn't like Shin/Ran. There is obviously a reason she doesn't like the canon romance, and yes the answer is going to be anything but nice, because you can't dislike something and say something good about it. you can say the pros and cons of a the relationship, which I tried to do, but ppl only see more of the negatives, even when you try to be diplomatic. I say state your opinion, and weigh the consequences and be prepared for responses. This person probably has also seen the negative feedback in other boards that led this person to defend herself before she got bashed.
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I won't read anything above but I caught glimpses about "being an AiCon fan coz they're Ai fans"
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Noticing BlueKatio's sig there, it made me think of one of the promos for movie 14 I saw on television last week.  It had Conan and Ai standing back to back in Kid's clothes.  I felt it was cute.
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ssjup81 wrote: Noticing BlueKatio's sig there, it made me think of one of the promos for movie 14 I saw on television last week.  It had Conan and Ai standing back to back in Kid's clothes.  I felt it was cute.
where??? where is that picture?i want to see it!!!!^^
bluekaitou1412 wrote: I won't read anything above but I caught glimpses about "being an AiCon fan coz they're Ai fans"
i really think you should read the whole post,it's better to understand what people say... ::)
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soratothamax wrote: though there are several others that I admire for their intelligence like Conia.  ;)
*blushes more than Haibara disguised as Conan in Desperate Revival*
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In the Post Reply section, below there are the last 10 posts. There's a "Insert Quote" on the upper right on each of the posts. Try using that ;) If not, do like soratothemax and make several posts replying to several other posts.
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soratothamax wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Detective Prince wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote: Yes, of course. One person behaves badly and the "whole group" (be it AiCon or ShinRan) will be labeled as "bashers, flamers etc". Way to go! :3

@rin-chan:
I don't want to sound rude, but if you don't want the get "bashed" then don't start to bash people ;p (some of your statements sound a big "aggressive")
And another thing. Your "writing-style" is kinda off.... it's hard to read with all that bold, cursive, colored and underlined text :/
Who exactly is the one person?
"One person" is generally meant. Since you guys seem to argue that "ShinRan" has more bashing people than "AiCon" and then someone else comes and says that "AiCon" has more bashing people and they started first yadayada...
The point is, that if there is "one black" sheep in a group, then people usually tend to tread the whole group as such. So for example someone from ShinRan-group made a negative comment in the AiCon thread, or even started to bash etc. But this doesn't mean that everyone who supports ShinRan is like that.
Detective Prince wrote: And you see commenting on her typing was unnecessary.
For me it's not unnecessary. Since I just wanted to help her to notice something that makes it hard/annoying for me to read. Because if it stays like that, then I'll just skip her post altogether.

And if my commenting on her typing was unnecessary, then your commenting on my unnecessary behavior is unnecessary too ;p
Detective Prince wrote: I didn't see anything that agressive...
Yeah, for you. But making every text bold etc. makes it seem aggressive. Also stating that ShinRan-fans would come here and "bash" her immediately isn't very nice too ;) Because they could just come and state their own view on a polite way. Because this is indeed a Discussion-Forum ;)
My thing is...with this whole thing...is that yes, it is very easy to say
"I like Ai/Conan because...." but when you go into a ran/Shinichi thread, it is very difficult for me to say why I dislike RanxShinichi without everybody saying "you're bashing" and vise versa, when Ran fans come to Ai/Conan. The thread shouldn't only be about characters you like, but characters that you dislike within a story. It's discussion, and just like people, there are going to be characters/foods/items you dislike/don't trust/or disagree with. People have their reasons for liking things, and some people don't understand their reasons.

No one should put them down just because they say something that everyone else doesn't agree with or understand, but it's hard not to for those people as well.

There is no way of making "dislike" into a positive thing. So that means if someone dislikes the couple or character, they are going to state their reasons why, which is going to be negative. So technically if you don't like the couple, and express your views on it, you are "bashing". which to me is difficult to talk positively about a couple you dislike so this can seem unfair. The reasons are going to have to be on the basis of the personalities represented, and the way the couple is projected.

I think it is safe to say "Please don't bash me" considering there is a lot of bashing going on in these threads because ppl tend to take things the wrong way often (myself included). That's just a precaution for anyone not to harm her idea yet because she is new. That was a sign that she was not intending harm but expressing why she liked Ai/Conan and didn't like Shin/Ran. There is obviously a reason she doesn't like the canon romance, and yes the answer is going to be anything but nice, because you can't dislike something and say something good about it. you can say the pros and cons of a the relationship, which I tried to do, but ppl only see more of the negatives, even when you try to be diplomatic. I say state your opinion, and weigh the consequences and be prepared for responses. This person probably has also seen the negative feedback in other boards that led this person to defend herself before she got bashed.
Uhm.... so.... did I say anything that contradicts with your statement? O.o (since you quoted me) I also think what you wrote is right and it is my opinion too. The only addition from me would be that you have to stay polite in your discussion.
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conia wrote:
soratothamax wrote: though there are several others that I admire for their intelligence like Conia.  ;)
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ah, I saw her blush, too.
anyone knows why she did?
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ShihoShinx wrote:
conia wrote:
soratothamax wrote: though there are several others that I admire for their intelligence like Conia.  ;)
*blushes more than Haibara disguised as Conan in Desperate Revival*
ah, I saw her blush, too.
anyone knows why she did?
When did she blush? I remember seeing her blush but can't remember where ... was it when she went to the bathroom after he solved the case??
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She blushed when Shinichi asked her why was she helping him so much.
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conia wrote: She blushed when Shinichi asked her why was she helping him so much.
In his house bathroom right??
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xGinx wrote:
conia wrote: She blushed when Shinichi asked her why was she helping him so much.
In his house bathroom right??

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Kor wrote: Rin-chan, if you're refering to something that wasn't aired in the anime yet, please write it inside spoiler tags so those who don't read the manga won't get spoiled.
Please :'( :'(
Oh, sorry about that.  :-\   

@conia and sorathomax (sorry, I don't know how to quote twice in one post)
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Well, for me, Conan is the best for Ai. Since Ai may not be with Conan, I do not really know who is she ending up with because their sympathy towards each other is very unique and for many other reasons. I had never seen Ai being close to another male character (well, maybe agasa) as close as Conan. (Please correct me if I'm wrong with the last sentence)

If she is just for example ends up with Mitchisuko, (which I am skeptical that would ever happen) she is just ending up with him. I am very skeptical that she would love him because it will sure take a miracle for a guy like him to win her heart. (simply because a woman's heart is like an artichoke, men will have to work hard to win her heart)

Therefore, what I am trying to say is that if she would end up with anyone else, Gosho have to make a good explanation because Ai cannnot just be with someone out of pity. Because if this happens, I wouldn't consider it a happy ending if Ai would just be with someone whom she doesn't love romantically unless the guy makes effort to win her heart like what Conan innocently did.

So, in my point of view, being with someone just because you pity them is also considered as being unhappy because you will never be with someone whom you love. (True love) Unless, this guy makes remarkable effort to win Ai's heart especially for a very unique girl like her.

Also, if Ai truly loves Conan, it wouldn't be easy letting go of someone and finding someone else especially for someone like Ai.

But wouldn't it be sad if she loses someone she loves?  :'(  Well, ending up with someone isn't really nescessary for a happy ending. As long as Ai has her passion for her dream and to live her life to a happy state, whether Ai or Shiho, I am content.
I am just trying to point my view. If you take this negatively, please don't take it seriously. I am not here for war, peace everyone!

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Is the debate of Conan seeing Ai naked has ended? Well, if it has, any suggestions to debate about AiXConan? (Sorry guys, but just trying to prevent us from being off-topic)
yea, it ended a while ago, but you can still talk about it. I personally loved that chapter!  ;D

I agree. The problem with just "inserting a guy" like in the middle of all of this action that's going on with the BO would not only seem out of place, but would take time to grow on me. And the guy would have to have the special spark or "chemistry" with Ai to do the trick. The only person who has that spark with Ai is Conan at the moment. I wouldn't mind changing ideas if they had a much more interesting guy than Shininichi...which is like asking Gosho to create someone better than his "main character". Not going to say "never going to happen", but I wouldn't bet any money on it.

Personally, Ai can stand as a character on her own really. she doesn't really need Conan that much to be a "somebody" in the world of DC, vs. Ran who really needs Shinichi's character heavily to even have a position within the story. So I don't really see Ai as a romantic girl, and don't see her dating just any guy just because all the other girls need soul mates, and she wants one. Don't see that in her character. I think with Ai it's either all or nothing, she either gets the guy she loves, or no one at all.
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If Gosho did create another interresting character that is better than conan, we would be betting how long it would take for Gosho to kill him ;D
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Searcher wrote: If Gosho did create another interresting character that is better than conan, we would be betting how long it would take for Gosho to kill him ;D
What about Kaitou Kid/Kaito Kuroba?? ..... isn't he better than Shinichi/Conan??
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Kaitou already has a lady in his heart ;D
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