Ai + Conan

[bluekaitou1412]

^^"" I'm really sorry for the long reply, but I couldn't help it, because otherwise people would misunderstand and stuff and the thread would look like this:

A: AixConan is the best cuople, they are so cute together!
B: Yeah Ai is so cool, Ran is so boring.
C: No she is not, she is pretty and intelligent.
A: Wrong, Haibara is mysterious and has a personality.
C: Ran has too.
B: No she hasn't.
C: Yes she has.
A: Nooo, Shinichi deserves Ai more! etc.

XD;;

Wonder if Ai will have a nice, happy ending or a bit sad one btw. I couldn't possible imagine her with another guy yet.

It' ok to make a reply long...
It's not like it's my thread, right?
I'm just expressing my thoughts about it.
No need to even consider it. (except if you have pity for lazy guys like me, just kidding XD LOL)


Anyways, I think AI will have a pretty contented life living with the professor and growing alongside the Detective Boys at the end.

[takiko]

growing?? i really want shiho...

[bluekaitou1412]

growing?? i really want shiho...

I want that too... but she said that she had nothing to return to if she became shiho again, right?
That means that she wants to be ai because she had found a family to replace her lost ones.

[takiko]

that makes sense... and she loves the detective boys so much and agasa-hakase too...

[bluekaitou1412]

right!

[Rellik]

I was born around Shinichi's b-day  and act like him and have tried the sensitive type born on her b-day and it was too much for me. Thats why I think I know the type of girl that he SHOULD end up with, whether he is going to or not.

I'm loyal, like he is, but the sensitive types annoy me. So I see myself as Shinichi, and I'm afraid it seems that type of girl is the girl he likes because it's the only girl he knows that well. But now that he knows Haibara, things can change.

Sorry it's so long, just ranting. I have heard the other posts and while I can agree that Ran is not a useless GIRL, she is a useless character (considering her role in the story). She really doesn't have to be in the anime but is. I don't think Ran really has any connection with the BO other than if she CHOOSES to. But at this moment, she has nothing to do with the problem at hand unless she decides to step in.

REally, like Soragirl said, explain to me what makes her useful to the PLOT other than being Shinichi's lover? Is she EXPECTED to fight the BO? Does she have anything to do with any of the BO's problems? CIA? FBI?

that's not a very gd reasoning is it? is like saying you're a genius like einstein because you were born on the same day and act like him 

and yes i perfectly agree that she isn't expected to fight BO, but i can say the same to Ai, why can't she settle in another family and live a happy life without ever seeing BO, but instead chose to go to Conan and continue meddling in BO's affairs?

'expected' is the wrong word to use, nobody is expected to fight BO except for the FBI or CIA, they can just live life as it is.

well 'expected' can mean many things here, if you're sayin do we expect her to fight BO? Yes, like i said it's undeniable in some point in the future she will find out about BO and help fight them.

though i do admit right now Ran is like a 'dormant' character when it comes to BO.

[Soragirl6]

I think she's trying to say that Shinchi is a taurus like her. Supposedly there is an episode that mentions something like that, as well as their blood type and chinese zodiac.  Even still, Shinchi needs a longer leash than what Ran can give him.
Now Ai is not meddling.  They not only killed her sister, but she has been confined to that org for years. They even tried to kill Ai! Ran has no connection what-so-over, so her getting involve would only be interference considering she would just pass out or get shot leaving ones in more trouble.  There are many ways of fighting the BO, without physical attack.  But at this point Ran doesn't even know who they are, so if she decides to step in, she'll be interfering with Shinchi's goal, to get drug and take down the BO.  So she would be an UNEXPECTED happening and unfortunate, as Ai and Shinchi would be expected, but not unfortunate because they both know somewhat of what they are doing.
Changing the subject,CHHHHHHAAAANNNNGGGGEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to address this.  When Shinchi talked about his mysteries to Ran, Ran went right back to how SHE felt and didn't even try to listen. All she cares about is how she feels.  Not anyone else, not even shinchi.  When shinchi converses with Ai, he can talk to her on a normal basis intellectually and SHE'LL actually listen.  Even if Ran acts like she cares, she doesn't, and even though Ai acts like she doesn't care, she does. Ironic...

I was born around Shinichi's b-day  and act like him and have tried the sensitive type born on her b-day and it was too much for me. Thats why I think I know the type of girl that he SHOULD end up with, whether he is going to or not.

I'm loyal, like he is, but the sensitive types annoy me. So I see myself as Shinichi, and I'm afraid it seems that type of girl is the girl he likes because it's the only girl he knows that well. But now that he knows Haibara, things can change.

Sorry it's so long, just ranting. I have heard the other posts and while I can agree that Ran is not a useless GIRL, she is a useless character (considering her role in the story). She really doesn't have to be in the anime but is. I don't think Ran really has any connection with the BO other than if she CHOOSES to. But at this moment, she has nothing to do with the problem at hand unless she decides to step in.

REally, like Soragirl said, explain to me what makes her useful to the PLOT other than being Shinichi's lover? Is she EXPECTED to fight the BO? Does she have anything to do with any of the BO's problems? CIA? FBI?

that's not a very gd reasoning is it? is like saying you're a genius like einstein because you were born on the same day and act like him 

and yes i perfectly agree that she isn't expected to fight BO, but i can say the same to Ai, why can't she settle in another family and live a happy life without ever seeing BO, but instead chose to go to Conan and continue meddling in BO's affairs?

'expected' is the wrong word to use, nobody is expected to fight BO except for the FBI or CIA, they can just live life as it is.

well 'expected' can mean many things here, if you're sayin do we expect her to fight BO? Yes, like i said it's undeniable in some point in the future she will find out about BO and help fight them.

though i do admit right now Ran is like a 'dormant' character when it comes to BO.

[Soragirl6]

Sorry about that.  Its really hard not to make it long. Anyway, I agree it would be better without ANY romance at all. But if I had to sit through one as I watch the series, I'd rather sit through an Ai/Conan one that is at least interesting and not Sappy and boring. Nothing like a stale romance.

I'm not complaining but,

Spoiler:

here we are again with the long replies

Anyways, I won't mind if conan/shin'ichi ended up with whatever gal,,
I only watch DC because of the cases and mysteries...

Honestly, I think DC would be better off without the romantic stuff (sorry, I don't mean to be different)
Well, anyone has his/her opinions... And I'll respect whatever that is.

But personally, I like AI better. Not because she's a good match for conan, but because of her personality.
In short, I like her because she's COOL.

[Rellik]

taurus, same day w/e... still bad reasoning

the meaning of 'expected' is just absolutely confusing in this context, to the readers, it is expected she will find out about BO, to the characters it is unexpected, and in an overall view they are not expected to even fight BO.

so yeah this reasoning is just a mess.

Ran doesn't care about other people's feelings? Now that is obviously wrong.
btw is very unconvincing if you think just because there's one moment where Ran cuts off Shinichi and talks about she feels then that applies to Ran's overall character.

also i am confused about what you mean by Shinichi's mysteries, because i am sure all Shinichi talks about to Ran is Sherlock Holmes.

[Soragirl6]

If you are confused about the meaning of expected look it up in the dictionary.  We all KNOW that Ai is going to be involved in the take-down of the Org. Its EXPECTED.  Ran is not obviously expected to be helping in any way because she barely knows about them even now after many many episodes! But if she does do anything it'll be by interference. But she is not expected to be doing anything useful except passing out. And soratothemax meant take down BO, go against them, fight; completely wipe the place clean, you name it. As I agree that soratothemax reasoning about b-day is not as good a reasoning, I agree shinchi needs a long leash regardless of when he's born.  But in every anime, including in this one they mention birthdays, blood types, and all that.  Usually its relevant to the story's outcome.
Is Sherlock Holmes books not mysteries??? Ran never liked listening to Shinchi unless she heard how much he loves her. (I'll admit though my reasoning for her being uncaring was over the top, but she's not as caring as people put out there. They put Haibara up to be all mean jus cause she's not a ditz like Ran.) You're right about one thing: Her first impression was her only REAL communication with shinchi, and after that SHE HAD NO CHARACTER at all. Your first impression should be your best, especially if you have no relevance to the rest of the story! You think this reasoning is a mess?  Half the reasonings for Ran/ shinchi are HIGHLY unreasonable.  Thats his childhood friend? Their scenes are sweet? She started the series off as the plain old lover?. What?! Those are the only three reasons?Are those even good reasons at all why they are good for one another? Yeah, those reasons are the mess.

taurus, same day w/e... still bad reasoning

the meaning of 'expected' is just absolutely confusing in this context, to the readers, it is expected she will find out about BO, to the characters it is unexpected, and in an overall view they are not expected to even fight BO.

so yeah this reasoning is just a mess.

Ran doesn't care about other people's feelings? Now that is obviously wrong.
btw is very unconvincing if you think just because there's one moment where Ran cuts off Shinichi and talks about she feels then that applies to Ran's overall character.

also i am confused about what you mean by Shinichi's mysteries, because i am sure all Shinichi talks about to Ran is Sherlock Holmes.

[soratothamax]

I was born around Shinichi's b-day  and act like him and have tried the sensitive type born on her b-day and it was too much for me. Thats why I think I know the type of girl that he SHOULD end up with, whether he is going to or not.

I'm loyal, like he is, but the sensitive types annoy me. So I see myself as Shinichi, and I'm afraid it seems that type of girl is the girl he likes because it's the only girl he knows that well. But now that he knows Haibara, things can change.

Sorry it's so long, just ranting. I have heard the other posts and while I can agree that Ran is not a useless GIRL, she is a useless character (considering her role in the story). She really doesn't have to be in the anime but is. I don't think Ran really has any connection with the BO other than if she CHOOSES to. But at this moment, she has nothing to do with the problem at hand unless she decides to step in.

REally, like Soragirl said, explain to me what makes her useful to the PLOT other than being Shinichi's lover? Is she EXPECTED to fight the BO? Does she have anything to do with any of the BO's problems? CIA? FBI?

that's not a very gd reasoning is it? is like saying you're a genius like einstein because you were born on the same day and act like him 

and yes i perfectly agree that she isn't expected to fight BO, but i can say the same to Ai, why can't she settle in another family and live a happy life without ever seeing BO, but instead chose to go to Conan and continue meddling in BO's affairs?

'expected' is the wrong word to use, nobody is expected to fight BO except for the FBI or CIA, they can just live life as it is.

well 'expected' can mean many things here, if you're sayin do we expect her to fight BO? Yes, like i said it's undeniable in some point in the future she will find out about BO and help fight them.

though i do admit right now Ran is like a 'dormant' character when it comes to BO.

hahahaha so you would think the b-day isn't. It is very relevant for the fact that I am a lot like him and I have been down that road and I see disaster. I'm not saying that I am the one who automatically knows who he should end up with, but that seeing his personality, also comparing him to mine in an astrological view, I can see what will irk him if he stays with Ran, which is very relevant to why Gosho chose the particular b-day and personality to represent.

Taking down the BO later is different from having CONNECTIONS to the BO. She might help in taking down the BO for Shinichi's sake, but she really doesn't need to. Everybody might help even Sonoko! She is not involved with the BO in any way. And Shinichi is keeping it that way. Also, if she did know the circumstance, the BO would not see her as a threat.

Are you joking about Ai? She was a part of the BO! It's not that she wants to stay but she has to find the antidote first. She can leave with another family, but then Conan will never get the antidote without traveling far (which Ai will have to to avoid a clever fox like Gin). Also, even if she did run, she'd be stalked down by the organization. She would never truly be free unless she confronts them to get them off of her back and take revenge for her sister's death. And being with any other family would put them in danger! Conan allowed Ai's presence because he can cleverly delude the organization to protect her safely. Also, he is already involved with the org, and really has the skill to take them down. But he can't truly take down the BO without Ai's antidote. Your wrong about Ai not being connected to the BO or not being an important character to the story. And from what I know from episode 280 Conan didn't want HER to leave and live a happy life. He thought she was leaving to run away from everything, but she wasn't.

Ran being dormant in the BO case? Well, thats the basis of the story. So she is not important to the story. When was she ever important to the BO other than helping Eusike, which had nothing to do with her?

[Rellik]

I mean that this 'expected' buisness is a mess.

Looking at your use of the word 'expected' i already see that the context is different, 'Its expected' - meaning its anticipated that it would happen, 'Ran is not obviously expected to be helping...' - meaning she isn't required to, but not that it is anticipated she is not going to help.

See how you used 2 different 'expected'? that's why i said it was a mess.

Sherlock Holmes' books are mysteries, they're just not 'Shinichi's mysteries' 
and i think Ran's reaction is normal, i mean even i would want to change the subject of someone who only talks about Sherlock Holmes all day, i doubt Ai would gladly 'listen' to his mindless blabble as well.

Half the reasonings for Ran/ shinchi are HIGHLY unreasonable. 

so the other half of reasonings for Ran/Shinichi aren't highly unreasonable and you would accept them?

[soratothamax]

I mean that this 'expected' buisness is a mess.

Looking at your use of the word 'expected' i already see that the context is different, 'Its expected' - meaning its anticipated that it would happen, 'Ran is not obviously expected to be helping...' - meaning she isn't required to, but not that it is anticipated she is not going to help.

See how you used 2 different 'expected'? that's why i said it was a mess.

Sherlock Holmes' books are mysteries, they're just not 'Shinichi's mysteries' 
and i think Ran's reaction is normal, i mean even i would want to change the subject of someone who only talks about Sherlock Holmes all day, i doubt Ai would gladly 'listen' to his mindless blabble as well.

Half the reasonings for Ran/ shinchi are HIGHLY unreasonable. 

so the other half of reasonings for Ran/Shinichi aren't highly unreasonable and you would accept them?

oh...I guess what I was saying about the expected thing wasn't clear...sorry about that. Ya know, I don't really know how Ai would react to his babble, but so far in cases she seems to know a lot about things even Sherlock Holmes. It was even an organization password considering she is from the West (British and American culture). So she probably would fins his fascination interesting. She is an intellectual, so it wouldn't annoy her to converse with another intellectual...at least I don't think it would. We'll see....

[Soragirl6]

Yeah, Shinchi needs someone he has more in common with him, who he can converse with.  I mean he's around dolts 24/7.
About expected, you got it the expected thing. I think soratothemax just explained it wrong. A mess can be cleared.

It just so happens Ai meets Conan intellectually and they could talk about more things together. Really all he can talk to Ran is about his favorite detective, Sherlock Holmes. And she barely wants to hear that.

Ran would rather talk about feelings with Shinchi. On a regular he won't be talkin about feelings even after he does confess. Thats not his style. She hates everything about shinchi's case solving because he doesn't pay any attention to her. (Desperate Revival) But he doesn't owe her attention. THEY AREN'T DATING.  And every time she sees cases she breaks down and cries, which Shinchi doesn't need.  

The fact is when I first saw that part, I had somewhat a bad opinion of her. And yet still I continued to be a Ran/shinchi fan back then. I realized how ridiculous I was then. Yeah, people like Ran wouldn't want to listen to Sherlock Holmes, cause she doesn't know crap about that stuff.  Thats why Shinchi needs someone he can converse with openly.
Hey, Ai would just add a little teasing to their conversation. Thats how you make a conversation hot, even intellectually. Ran wouldn't know anything about that. She missed the mark. 

I want to bring this up; Shinchi is arrogant around Ran, too. That's cause she's not an intellect and he knows that.  Haibara can and actually did humble him. She meets that intellect and is calmer than Conan/ Shinchi and especially Ran. She doesn't act a fool around him whining and screaming, especially when it comes to listening to others. In fact, she calms Shinchi/Conan from time to time.

I mean that this 'expected' buisness is a mess.

Looking at your use of the word 'expected' i already see that the context is different, 'Its expected' - meaning its anticipated that it would happen, 'Ran is not obviously expected to be helping...' - meaning she isn't required to, but not that it is anticipated she is not going to help.

See how you used 2 different 'expected'? that's why i said it was a mess.

Sherlock Holmes' books are mysteries, they're just not 'Shinichi's mysteries' 
and i think Ran's reaction is normal, i mean even i would want to change the subject of someone who only talks about Sherlock Holmes all day, i doubt Ai would gladly 'listen' to his mindless blabble as well.

Half the reasonings for Ran/ shinchi are HIGHLY unreasonable. 

so the other half of reasonings for Ran/Shinichi aren't highly unreasonable and you would accept them?

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[Introuble]

sigh.....

ran and shinichi will end up together gosho made it that way and thats how he planned it
ran is shinichi's love interest in the story that's what makes her so IMPORTANT
ai has been intoduced in episode 120+ gosho did not make her for romance
shinichi is not confused about his feelings...he is 100% in love with ran...shinichi has 0% feelings for ai
ai's love for conan is one sided like ayumi's..693 chapters have passed tons of shinxran episodes ZERO
coxai episodes

why does shinichi want to get back to his regular body?
1) get his normal life back
2) CONFESS HIS LOVE FOR RAN

everytime shinichi gets the chance to return to his normal body what does he do??
he tries to confess his love but he runs out of time before he gets to confess
btw how is shinichi confused on his feelings?
its obvious that  he likes ran 100%