Ai + Conan

Post any Detective Conan news, events, questions, and the like about the anime, manga, movies, or OVAs that don't belong elsewhere here.
Locked
Soragirl6
Ai and Conan.... yay!!!!!

Posts:
178

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by Soragirl6 »

I would never hate you. I love Ran. I was a shinchi/ Ran fan at first.  But Ran is not needed to make it more meaningful.  Shinchi would not be cheating, because they were never dating.  Which means his love can change.  Even his love for Ran will change.  The promise....yeah, Shinchi uses words really well to keep people hoping.  And quite frankly he still loves Ran.  But as another bond gets stronger, its only a matter of time before shinchi realizes that his feelings about everything has changed.  Ran's choice to wait is her choice.  But I agree with you on this...a shougo canon romance has to be careful when they are trying to complicate a love life.  I also don't think he would be the HAPPIEST with both of them in some ways. Ran is too clingy and they would end up divorced because he wants to be a detective and she wouldn't get his time like she wanted.  The only way they'd work out is because she's actually a normal person.  But Shinch's crimes could put her in danger and even he knows that.  Haibara is tough, but Shinchi can be more of himself around Haibara.  They are on the same level intellectually, and Shinchi could open a whole new world to Haibara that she's never though existed.  
Ran is not interesting to investigate, she's so obvious with her crying.  As soon as he gets back she's going to burst. She's just hiding it because Shinchi does like mysterious. She's more so pretending than restraining herself. Shinchi is really not that interested in feelings.  

Ai being cool has nothing to do with haibara and Shinchi looking awesome together.  She's cool in every situation which can calm Shinchi down a little when he's in a hectic case.  Ran will drive him nuts crying and whining about how much time they don't spend together.  He needs someone who will support his ambitions without complaining in his ear every time he has to work.  For a while Ran would be quiet, but eventually she'll burst.  Ai is cool lad-back, and Ai/conan give to each other in a balanced way.  She could definitely support him, even work with him.  She wouldn't have to complain, and even still, she wouldn't.  She's level headed, and thats what Shinchi needs.  He sees crying and anger all the time but when he's around coolness he'll de-stress. Ran is what he wants, but Ai is what he needs. 

Even though, he was trying at first to get back to normal, his desires can change.  A detective story is supposed to be complicated.  And Ai is not giving Shinchi to Ran.  She let's him  make his own choices.  And I have to say the an anime can change in version, so far I have read fifteen that have changed from anime versions like shougo.  So version doesn't even count.  
Misztina wrote: Don't hate me for this, but I always feel some kind of jealousy, when people say negative things about Ran.

First of all, DC is not a shoujo manga, where romance is above all, therefor complicating the main characters love life too muich would cause trouble. ShinihixRan is a very simple relationship on the first sight. they have Their own ups-and-downs, but is is not as flashy as in usual shojos.

Clearly, Ai has a very interesting role in the story, because she loves Shinichi too, but she is kind-hearted enough (or so it seems) to let him to Ran. She lets him be with Ran, because she knows he would be the happiest with her.

Since DC is mostly focused on mysteries and romance gets the second place, major twist (under which I mean real cheating or loving someone else)  in the main character's love story is impossible. If the main love pair is not static, I mean if they don't really love eachother and no one else the whole point of DC would fall apart. Because the main point is, that Shinichi wants to get back his real body asap is because of Ran on the first place. He could have gone with his parents to LA, but the mystery and more importantly Ran made him stay. So Shinichi has two major drives mystery and Ran. I won't and will never fit here technically. That's why ShinichixShiho is doomed from the begining. Even if Ran were to die I'm still not so sure whether Shiho and Shinichi would get together.

"Ran has no/little personality, but Ai has more."

People think that Ai has got more personality, because she is a bit more mature than Ran, is "mysterious" and has a dark side. People can relate themselves to Ai, because she has problems and she is is always calm and cool. Where as Ran seems to be plain, and perfect, she is too nice, too kind, only loves Shinichi, is a bit naive and childish. Ran is still not a complete personality and Shinichi finds her enough interesting to "investigate" more on her. And Ran develops by the time and has hardships too. Like this weird relationship with Shinichi. She loves him so much that she would wait for him, 'cause he promised to come back, whatever it takes (wonderful scene in Desperate Revival), her faith in Shinichi won't allow her to investigate on Shinichi, plus the fact that Shinichi investigates on a serious matter and Ran thinks she might get in the way if she just would show up. She understands that she would endanger he, and Shinichi's life if she would just go after him. Her withdrawn from Shinichi is the toughest thing to do. She would just go to him and jump into his arms and everything, but she restrains herself and that is something which not many characters would or even could do. That's a very mature and responsible behaviour from her side.
But, I think in the end, if she senses how dangerous is Shinichi's situation (see the suspicious Okiya) she might really get into trouble in the end.

Ai's background is interesting, but Shinichi doesn't really bother with her personality. Ai's personality is interesting for the readers, but not really for Shinichi. Ai's role is to be the side-lover of the main-character. Not the best role, because we all know what will happen in the end, but still...that's it.

Ran's role is to be a drive/an aim for Shinichi, she is a bit like an idol. If she acts or moves, that makes major happenings, and has a very-very important consequences in the main line. She is not the key (not yet?) to solve the BO case, but without her the story would have less meaning.
Kingdom Hearts......IS LIGHT!!!!!!!!

Yuuko:......"it is inevitable......"
Image

Image

I AM THE REAL KOR!!!!
Rellik
/facepalm

Posts:
1288

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by Rellik »

omfg i h8 you ppl, you can't keep things short >.> it has to be walls of text....

for starters, cut the stereotypical view of Ran, if you read the other replies like the one from Nyarl then you should see Ran is more than just a 'lover' - is undeniable she will play a major part in the final clash with BO (whenever that is) and it is undeniable she is a necessary character to the plot and the series.
I definitely won't define that as 'useless'

and u sound like you know perfectly well which type of girl suits Shinichi, well i know perfectly well both of them would suit him perfectly.
soratothamax
Bang.....

Posts:
899
Contact:

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by soratothamax »

Rellik wrote: omfg i h8 you ppl, you can't keep things short >.> it has to be walls of text....

for starters, cut the stereotypical view of Ran, if you read the other replies like the one from Nyarl then you should see Ran is more than just a 'lover' - is undeniable she will play a major part in the final clash with BO (whenever that is) and it is undeniable she is a necessary character to the plot and the series.
I definitely won't define that as 'useless'

and u sound like you know perfectly well which type of girl suits Shinichi, well i know perfectly well both of them would suit him perfectly.

I was born around Shinichi's b-day  and act like him and have tried the sensitive type born on her b-day and it was too much for me. Thats why I think I know the type of girl that he SHOULD end up with, whether he is going to or not.

I'm loyal, like he is, but the sensitive types annoy me. So I see myself as Shinichi, and I'm afraid it seems that type of girl is the girl he likes because it's the only girl he knows that well. But now that he knows Haibara, things can change.

Sorry it's so long, just ranting. I have heard the other posts and while I can agree that Ran is not a useless GIRL, she is a useless character (considering her role in the story). She really doesn't have to be in the anime but is. I don't think Ran really has any connection with the BO other than if she CHOOSES to. But at this moment, she has nothing to do with the problem at hand unless she decides to step in.

REally, like Soragirl said, explain to me what makes her useful to the PLOT other than being Shinichi's lover? Is she EXPECTED to fight the BO? Does she have anything to do with any of the BO's problems? CIA? FBI?
ImageImageImage
Soragirl6
Ai and Conan.... yay!!!!!

Posts:
178

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by Soragirl6 »

Sorry that it is long, but I'm trying to answer every question at the same time giving my view. Forgive me.  
Ran is not needed to play a part in the BO.  She probably would end up interfering with Shinchi even trying to get the drug, or put herself in more danger so Shinchi would have more to worry about. She's not necessary.  If Ran was not there there would be no lover. Plan and simple.  From the beginning that is what she was.  And so shall end.  She's useless because the only thing she probably could do is get Shinchi, Ai, and herself in more trouble with the BO. She'll end up shot or passing out waiting on shinchi to save her.  She is mostly useless to the story.  You can't do anything with her except interfere.  And there are plenty of those. Why do you think Shinchi's trying to keep her out of it? yeah, I like Ran, but I can watch her type in another anime.  But in this one, I'd rather watch girls like Vermouth, Ms. Jodie, and especially Ai.  Even Sonoko. I can't change my stereotypical view...the writer made her stereotypical.


Rellik wrote: omfg i h8 you ppl, you can't keep things short >.> it has to be walls of text....

for starters, cut the stereotypical view of Ran, if you read the other replies like the one from Nyarl then you should see Ran is more than just a 'lover' - is undeniable she will play a major part in the final clash with BO (whenever that is) and it is undeniable she is a necessary character to the plot and the series.
I definitely won't define that as 'useless'

and u sound like you know perfectly well which type of girl suits Shinichi, well i know perfectly well both of them would suit him perfectly.









Last edited by Soragirl6 on May 29th, 2009, 11:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Kingdom Hearts......IS LIGHT!!!!!!!!

Yuuko:......"it is inevitable......"
Image

Image

I AM THE REAL KOR!!!!
Soragirl6
Ai and Conan.... yay!!!!!

Posts:
178

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by Soragirl6 »

Well, I'm born around his b-day (I'm a Taurus, yay! ^^) and I wouldn't say the sensitive types annoy me, but the overly clingy types do.  Ai and Conan's chemistry hit off so well, that the fan base split in half.  Usually I have a lot of loyalty for the first lover...but this feeling for Ai/ shinchi romance is rare.  It must be because Ran and shinchi are doing the same ol', same ol', while ai/Conan are growing slowly but surely.  They are learning together, growing together....man...that's deep poetry. As they grow, they're fans grow.  Look how many people like them in the U. S. and it hasn't even been transferred over here.

[/quote]

I was born around Shinichi's b-day  and act like him and have tried the sensitive type born on her b-day and it was too much for me. Thats why I think I know the type of girl that he SHOULD end up with, whether he is going to or not.

I'm loyal, like he is, but the sensitive types annoy me. So I see myself as Shinichi, and I'm afraid it seems that type of girl is the girl he likes because it's the only girl he knows that well. But now that he knows Haibara, things can change.

Sorry it's so long, just ranting. I have heard the other posts and while I can agree that Ran is not a useless GIRL, she is a useless character (considering her role in the story). She really doesn't have to be in the anime but is. I don't think Ran really has any connection with the BO other than if she CHOOSES to. But at this moment, she has nothing to do with the problem at hand unless she decides to step in.

REally, like Soragirl said, explain to me what makes her useful to the PLOT other than being Shinichi's lover? Is she EXPECTED to fight the BO? Does she have anything to do with any of the BO's problems? CIA? FBI?
[/quote]
Kingdom Hearts......IS LIGHT!!!!!!!!

Yuuko:......"it is inevitable......"
Image

Image

I AM THE REAL KOR!!!!
takiko

Posts:
1107

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by takiko »

i'll give conan x ai a no-no... shinichi's madly (and obviously) in-love with ran and vice-versa... even though it seems that ai has feelings for shinichi... i just hope the gosho aoyama won't let ai develop her feelings... i don't want ai to be broken-hearted...
Soragirl6
Ai and Conan.... yay!!!!!

Posts:
178

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by Soragirl6 »

takiko wrote: i'll give conan x ai a no-no... shinichi's madly (and obviously) in-love with ran and vice-versa... even though it seems that ai has feelings for shinichi... i just hope the gosho aoyama won't let ai develop her feelings... i don't want ai to be broken-hearted...
Ran is madly in love, Shinchi is confused.  He only likes her cause he knew her more than other girls...but he's got a new girl he knows.  Shinchi is not madly in love. Even if he loves Ran, feelings change.  Even now he is not only loyal to Ran, but he's very loyal to Ai.  It is a high school crush on Shinchi's feelings for Ran.  Its obvious that Ai and Shinchi's feelings will grow towards one another.  It is so obvious there's something between them, even to the person that made the thread.  He really only liked Ran for appearance. (what she appeared to be physically as well as appeared to be in characteristics).  People only like that romance because it looks sweet, but its not growing and its not getting any more exciting.  And even Ai and Conan have sweet moments, but they've got extra "Umph" in their relationship.  Even if they are friends, thats one sexy, flirty friendship!
Kingdom Hearts......IS LIGHT!!!!!!!!

Yuuko:......"it is inevitable......"
Image

Image

I AM THE REAL KOR!!!!
takiko

Posts:
1107

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by takiko »

i guess shinichi's feeling are still 'infatuation'... and most of dc fans won't like it if gosho aoyama will make ai and conan end up together... it's okay for me, though, since i'm bored with shin x ran pairing...
User avatar
bluekaitou1412
Community Phantom
Indie artist. Likes books and all things Haibara.

Posts:
5389

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by bluekaitou1412 »

I'm not complaining but,
Spoiler:
here we are again with the long replies ;D
Anyways, I won't mind if conan/shin'ichi ended up with whatever gal,,
I only watch DC because of the cases and mysteries...

Honestly, I think DC would be better off without the romantic stuff (sorry, I don't mean to be different)
Well, anyone has his/her opinions... ;D And I'll respect whatever that is.

But personally, I like AI better. Not because she's a good match for conan, but because of her personality.
In short, I like her because she's COOL.
takiko

Posts:
1107

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by takiko »

long replies?? hahah...

i agree... i'm watching dc because of conan's adventure and kaito kid... i admit that i watched dc before because of the romance, but it all changed...
User avatar
bluekaitou1412
Community Phantom
Indie artist. Likes books and all things Haibara.

Posts:
5389

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by bluekaitou1412 »

takiko wrote: long replies?? hahah...

i agree... i'm watching dc because of conan's adventure and kaito kid... i admit that i watched dc before because of the romance, but it all changed...
Hahaha it's not you, it's them.

When Kaitou KID and Haibara were introduced in this series, it became even better.
Heck, KID is even my fave character, seconded by Haibara.
takiko

Posts:
1107

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by takiko »

i know... i'm too lazy to make long replies... :)

that;s absolutely true... kaito kid is my fave too...
User avatar
bluekaitou1412
Community Phantom
Indie artist. Likes books and all things Haibara.

Posts:
5389

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by bluekaitou1412 »

takiko wrote: i know... i'm too lazy to make long replies... :)

that;s absolutely true... kaito kid is my fave too...
That's the same for me... ;D
I go straight to the point (well, not everytime, but usually).
User avatar
Misztina

Posts:
976
Contact:

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by Misztina »

^^"" I'm really sorry for the long reply, but I couldn't help it, because otherwise people would misunderstand and stuff and the thread would look like this:

A: AixConan is the best cuople, they are so cute together!
B: Yeah Ai is so cool, Ran is so boring.
C: No she is not, she is pretty and intelligent.
A: Wrong, Haibara is mysterious and has a personality.
C: Ran has too.
B: No she hasn't.
C: Yes she has.
A: Nooo, Shinichi deserves Ai more! etc.

XD;;

Wonder if Ai will have a nice, happy ending or a bit sad one btw. I couldn't possible imagine her with another guy yet.
takiko

Posts:
1107

Re: Ai + Conan

Post by takiko »

i hope it'll be a nice ending for her (in her life, not in her lovelife)...
Locked