Ai + Conan

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it cant be that ran is waiting for 12 years. conan would be older than the original shinichi and ran would be 30 years old!

can anyone tell me how many time passed since shinichi shrunk?
i guess its only a few months, are there any clues to that?

tks

This is a paradox that Gosho Aoyama asks his readers/viewers just to look the other way on.  There is no set time for how long it's been or how long Ran's waited.  It has to have been less than a year, as Ran is still in her last year of high-school and conan hasn't grown any older.  But it's more than a year, as the characters liberally refer back to things that happened years ago, and the seasons have gone 'round many times now.

In the end, I think we're supposed to believe that she's been waiting "a long time", and though it's been difficult, Ran has been faithfully loyal to Shinichi for that whole time.  And in Japan, that's not considered weakness, but instead is considered strength.  To 'gaman' for the one you love is considered an amazing show of love for that person.

Finally, as for Ai + Conan, I agree, it ain't gonna happen.  Shinichi's loyalty to Ran is just as obvious as her's is to him, and I think Ai has really replaced Ayumi as the unfortunate one with the unrequited love.  I like the idea of Ai and Mitushiko, however!

[krystal.glass]

And in Japan, that's not considered weakness, but instead is considered strength.  To 'gaman' for the one you love is considered an amazing show of love for that person.

Finally, as for Ai + Conan, I agree, it ain't gonna happen.  Shinichi's loyalty to Ran is just as obvious as her's is to him, and I think Ai has really replaced Ayumi as the unfortunate one with the unrequited love.  I like the idea of Ai and Mitushiko, however!

I completely agree. It's not a weakness but rather strength - it takes pure faith and strength of belief to wait for someone you love for that long. Also, Ran admits that while she dislikes waiting for him, she doesn't mind it so much since when she does get to see him again, the meeting becomes more special (movie 7, in the omake).

Which is the primary reason Ai + Conan will not work. Whether Ai holds feelings for him or not (certainly not a confirmed thing) she will not pursue. Shinichi and Ran are too faithful toward one another.

However, the strength of the Ai/Conan fandom really amazes me still in spite of the obvious Shinichi/Ran.

Though, I will admit that Ran's tolerance could be lower... If I were her I'd be screaming at him a lot more than that XD

[tetra26]

Maybe it's just me, but I like things to be shaken up a bit. I think "waiting on the one you love" is kind of tired, IMO. Have her wait, but in the meanwhile have another love interest show up, even if only temporary. Have her be conflicted with that for awhile. I'm not saying turn this into a romantic show (there are enough pairings btw...), but still.

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I think "waiting on the one you love" is kind of tired, IMO.

I have to agree, like most long-running series, it's dragged on way too long now.  It's to the point where Ran's "waiting longingly" hardly ever shows up anymore because it's already been beaten to death.  Yes, most of the movies have to have the obligatory romantic scene, but in the everyday series it's been mostly removed.

I remember watching the Desperate Revival series (eps 188 - 193) while in Japan in 2000, and being so excited each week to find out what was going to happen next.  I thought that this was going to be it, this was going to be when he finally tells Ran and that they can finally be together.  And I was so put off that, after a month-and-a-half of anticipation, in the end everything just went back to normal, and nothing at all had changed.  Since then, I've more or less given up on the romance plot, and I now watch Conan for the silliness and mysteries.

BTW, if you haven't seen the Desperate Revival series, I'd highly recommend it.  It's a great set of suspenseful stories.  Just don't get your hopes up too much that things will actually change.

[Nyarl]

I have to agree, like most long-running series, it's dragged on way too long now.  It's to the point where Ran's "waiting longingly" hardly ever shows up anymore because it's already been beaten to death.  Yes, most of the movies have to have the obligatory romantic scene, but in the everyday series it's been mostly removed.

I remember watching the Desperate Revival series (eps 188 - 193) while in Japan in 2000, and being so excited each week to find out what was going to happen next.  I thought that this was going to be it, this was going to be when he finally tells Ran and that they can finally be together.  And I was so put off that, after a month-and-a-half of anticipation, in the end everything just went back to normal, and nothing at all had changed.  Since then, I've more or less given up on the romance plot, and I now watch Conan for the silliness and mysteries.

BTW, if you haven't seen the Desperate Revival series, I'd highly recommend it.  It's a great set of suspenseful stories.  Just don't get your hopes up too much that things will actually change.

You kinda missed the point of Desperate Revival, though, which was for Haibara to come between Ran and Shin'ichi/Conan after Ran had decided to play along with the lie rather than confront Conan again (not sure how to interpret the anime continuity, given the fillers where she drags Conan off to bed in the middle of investigations, but in the manga Ran had been playing along even before Araide was introduced, so D.R. wasn't just another instance where Ran suddenly became suspicious and needed to be tricked again).

As I already wrote, there was no guarantee Ran would wait. She was expressing reluctance about it at the restaurant with Conan. Conan only learned she would when he saw the cup she made (vol31.1/ep229). Also, Shin'ichi finally noticed how much waiting hurt Ran, to the point he told Haibara he thought it might be better if he wasn't in Ran's heart (of course, that's when he learned that someone stole the police files on Kogoro's cases, so Shin'ichi never acted on his thoughts, vol33.6-9ep268-270).

I think what really stopped Ran's depressed longing was getting Shin'ichi's voice number (vol47.4/ep400). Now she's not so much depressed as… anticipating… their next physical meeting (see vol54.9pg7/ep479).

The romance doesn't develop quickly enough to be an important reason to follow the series, but there's a bit more to the continuity than, "Ran waits…"

[sdf1macross]

What about Ayumi!! She really loves Conan, she is gonna be so sad when he is gone, and if Haibara doesn't want to return to her normal self after they found the antidote, she might stay with Mitsuhiko, so what is that mean?? Ayumi + Genta?? Poor Ayumi  Besides after seeing The Phantom of Baker Street and seeing how pretty she is going to be, whe all know that she is out of his league 

[EdogawaConanTantei]

Your insolence towards Genta will not be tolerated!

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You kinda missed the point of Desperate Revival, though, which was for Haibara to come between Ran and Shin'ichi/Conan after Ran had decided to play along with the lie rather than confront Conan again.

I agree, and you're right, something did change, though it just changed back to Ran not suspecting, and Shinichi not being able to tell.  So in other words, back to where it's been for ages.  I was happy with the idea that Ran knew and kept it to herself.  At least that was different (and better IMHO). 

Really, what I'm talking about is that when watching the series, I was thinking the show was wrapping up.  Shinichi was back after having almost died, and having been saved by Ran.  He had just revealed himself to her in a most romantic way (purposefully setting himself up to kiss her), and now he was taking her out on a date to the place where his parents got engaged.  It was all building up to him proposing and them living happily ever after... until it all came crashing down, and the following week they were back to the regular grind again.  And that was really *frustrating*!  So, I find the romance plot a little old just because I think it should have all been resolved back in ep. 193. 

Sorry, just had to vent there a little...

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What about Ayumi!! She really loves Conan, she is gonna be so sad when he is gone, and if Haibara doesn't want to return to her normal self after they found the antidote, she might stay with Mitsuhiko, so what is that mean?? Ayumi + Genta?? Poor Ayumi  Besides after seeing The Phantom of Baker Street and seeing how pretty she is going to be, whe all know that she is out of his league 

I think you mean 'Countdown to Heaven', don't you?  IMHO, Ayumi isn't as smitten with Conan as she used to be, and though she'd miss him, she'd move on.  I think many of us had a crush sometime when we were young, but chances are 99.99% didn't pan out.  I can't see Ayumi with either of Mitsuhiko or Genta either, though I do see them all staying friends for a long time.

[EdogawaConanTantei]

... the only thing wrong with "Desperate Revival" was the murder in the final 2 episodes.. I seriously HATE those cases.. when they give away the culprit from the start. Sometimes maybe they can be good but that murder was kinda lame and unbelievable.

[tetra26]

Your insolence towards Genta will not be tolerated!

I totally read that in Genta's voice. 

I think "waiting on the one you love" is kind of tired, IMO.

I have to agree, like most long-running series, it's dragged on way too long now.  It's to the point where Ran's "waiting longingly" hardly ever shows up anymore because it's already been beaten to death.  Yes, most of the movies have to have the obligatory romantic scene, but in the everyday series it's been mostly removed.

I remember watching the Desperate Revival series (eps 188 - 193) while in Japan in 2000, and being so excited each week to find out what was going to happen next.  I thought that this was going to be it, this was going to be when he finally tells Ran and that they can finally be together.  And I was so put off that, after a month-and-a-half of anticipation, in the end everything just went back to normal, and nothing at all had changed.  Since then, I've more or less given up on the romance plot, and I now watch Conan for the silliness and mysteries.

BTW, if you haven't seen the Desperate Revival series, I'd highly recommend it.  It's a great set of suspenseful stories.  Just don't get your hopes up too much that things will actually change.

That is, indeed, a wonderful arc.


Though I have to admit that while I find some things tiresome, I still don't want things to come to an end yet.

[Nyarl]

I agree, and you're right, something did change, though it just changed back to Ran not suspecting, and Shinichi not being able to tell.  So in other words, back to where it's been for ages.  I was happy with the idea that Ran knew and kept it to herself.  At least that was different (and better IMHO). 

Really, what I'm talking about is that when watching the series, I was thinking the show was wrapping up.  Shinichi was back after having almost died, and having been saved by Ran.  He had just revealed himself to her in a most romantic way (purposefully setting himself up to kiss her), and now he was taking her out on a date to the place where his parents got engaged.  It was all building up to him proposing and them living happily ever after... until it all came crashing down, and the following week they were back to the regular grind again.  And that was really *frustrating*!  So, I find the romance plot a little old just because I think it should have all been resolved back in ep. 193. 

Sorry, just had to vent there a little...

Well, I suppose if one dismissed the idea that D.R. made Haibara an active participant in the development of the romance as Ran's antagonist, if not true rival, one could say nothing changed... You are entitled with your opinion, of course, but I'm not going to go along with the idea nothing meaningful developed from the storyline (especially when one remembers who was really helping Sonoko and Ran with the play).

[sdf1macross]

I think "waiting on the one you love" is kind of tired, IMO.

That is, indeed, a wonderful arc.


Though I have to admit that while I find some things tiresome, I still don't want things to come to an end yet.

You are right I do not want to go back to the same as if nothing had happened after the current arc, but I am not ready for Conan to end just yet either.

[kat1214young]

I think they're really cute together (friends of course). I mean they're really cute because they can understand each other. Plus Conan understands her more now than before. She finally found a real friend. I don't know, it's just that I like their smiles (more on Conan). You know, the smiles he makes when he finds evidences. Yeah, Mitsuhiko and Haibara are like Takagi and Satou.

[Ran]

that's BAKA!! AI and Conan? don't be ridiculous!! I mean he didn't show any feelings for her right? I don't no why some of you hate Ran, I love her very much and for her waiting for shinichi shows how courageous she really is !! moreover , i agree with the ones who say that Ai will stay a child because it's the best ending for her because she found a father(Agasa) and friends, and she will be good with Mistuhiko!! The most pitiful girl is Ayumi , I think she will miss Conan a lot , but I don't no how Aoyama Gosho will make a happy ending for her!! I just wish it will be a happy ending with everyone smiling !! RAN AND SHINICHI FOREVER!! it's not that I dislike Ai, I know she's cold and sometimes arrogant but somehow I begin to love her a bit, maybe because she's too pitiful : she loses all her family members!! and don''t you think Haibara and Gin were in love before? i don't no but i have a feeling that she loved him before...lol...