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[xGinx]

Wellll I said it was bad no matter what, but I didn't exactly said you shouldn't, I mean if there was no other choice, then whats done is done you had no alternative BUT I'm saying even if there was no other choice or you were doing it for "justice" it doesn't make it any right then if you were killing for pure pleasure.

On September 11th, 2001, the passengers of one United Airlines Flight 93 had their plane hijacked by terrorists intending to crash it into either the White House of the United States Capitol. Several of the passengers and crew called out in secret and learned that planes had been crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon earlier that day. With this knowledge, they decided to attack the hijackers in the cockpit knowing full well that they might fail to regain control of the aircraft and everyone on board could die. The plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania killing all aboard.
The actions of those who fought back directly resulted in the deaths of themselves, the hijackers, and the other passengers on the plane, but at the same time they prevented a greater loss of life and further tragedy. In those circumstances, could you say they were their actions were wrong? Are those passengers on board that flight who gave their lives to prevent additional deaths no different than someone who murders for pleasure?

Not the person, just the act and it sounds like that wasn't even intentional wasn't that an accident?

It was a Terrorist Attack, more than one attacks actually, resulted in Thousands of deaths, and you called it an accident?

I mean the fact that it crashed somewhere else or I'm probably reading this wrong

Oooh, about that, Well, I don]t know because I'm from another country, but in the Movie at least it was shown like Checkov said it was.

[baka1412]

I remember the word said by Don Flaminggo (One Piece) :

" Justice would prevail, you say ?! But of course it will ! Whoever wins this war, becomes Justices ! "

I'd say the so-called justice is inside gray area, its not just Black and White anymore..

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Not the person, just the act and it sounds like that wasn't even intentional wasn't that an accident?

The passengers actions resulted in the deaths of everyone on the plane - even if they would have died later if decided to not revolt - because their fighting to get into the cockpit caused the hijackers to decide to crash it then. I'm sure they knew the risks and that they were taking the lives of others in their hands with their decision to fight back. They cannot be blamed for making that decision though, since they had the best intentions possible in that situation.

[baka1412]

You know, if we're gonna be talking about sense of justice and the concept of taking someone else life (self defense, revenge, act of compassion) shouldn't we be talking about Haibara's instead ?

I mean she also got her own sense of justice, and I'd say she got more realistic view than Conan's..

And I'm pretty sure she wouldn't hesitate to pull the killing triggers when, let say Ayumi / Agasa in grave dangers, whereas Conan would stick with Soccer balls / Tranquilizing dart..

[bluekaitou1412]

Too realistic, but I like it.

[Detective Prince]

Not the person, just the act and it sounds like that wasn't even intentional wasn't that an accident?

The passengers actions resulted in the deaths of everyone on the plane - even if they would have died later if decided to not revolt - because their fighting to get into the cockpit caused the hijackers to decide to crash it then. I'm sure they knew the risks and that they were taking the lives of others in their hands with their decision to fight back. They cannot be blamed for making that decision though, since they had the best intentions possible in that situation.

Of course I don't blame them I mostly would have done the same thing, but still I'm saying to matter how good the intension, no matter how right it seems to be, even if you had no other choice, taking another persons  life is still wrong. I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it, they should have, very honorable. Still wrong though. I guess I also have an annoying sense of justice like Conan

[Detective Prince]

What exactly is her view of it again?

[Shuuichi Akai]

Killing is bad no matter what, humans just try to justify it has their "justice"

so you mean that we should not kill all those killer by electric chair hanging or etc? We should just let them be in jail?

[Detective Prince]

Killing is bad no matter what, humans just try to justify it has their "justice"

so you mean that we should not kill all those killer by electric chair hanging or etc? We should just let them be in jail?

Well, if you have been reading carefully to what I have been saying you'd know whether should or should not isn't the problem. Whether you should or should not doesn't affect the fact that it is wrong to take someone elses life.

[Shuuichi Akai]

Wait... Aren't we going a bit off topic?

[sstimson]

You know, if we're gonna be talking about sense of justice and the concept of taking someone else life (self defense, revenge, act of compassion) shouldn't we be talking about Haibara's instead ?

I mean she also got her own sense of justice, and I'd say she got more realistic view than Conan's..

And I'm pretty sure she wouldn't hesitate to pull the killing triggers when, let say Ayumi / Agasa in grave dangers, whereas Conan would stick with Soccer balls / Tranquilizing dart..

Already did that
very first case when she entered the picture.
She did fire a gun

[ProfParanoia]

...but not to kill, because the woman was not "real" threat.

[Detective Prince]

I thought she wasn't even aiming at her

[ProfParanoia]

I thought she wasn't even aiming at her

She wasn't aiming at her.

[Shuuichi Akai]

I thought she wasn't even aiming at her

She wasn't aiming at her.

so who was she aiming at then?