Ai + Conan

[TypeSera]

I wonder... aside from her being 'sensitive' to the Black Organization people and being the creator of the APTX4869, what else does she bring to the table as a character?

She likes animals... ok. She likes Shinichi as hinted by his mother... sure.

To be honest, I can't really remember anything striking about her - all of these fit more against the backdrop of taking on the organization. As Haibara Ai... well, from the moment she took on the assumed identity, nothing much has changed. The most significant one - her relationship with Ran - hasn't really moved on.

So I wonder... are the creators just saving her for the last chapters of DC?

[Eve]

I actually think that the author is not really saving her but he's running out of ideas and is using her for a minor plot or when he needed a bait to keep people interested

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Don't care, I like her

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Hmmm... I don't mind her actually.... as long as she's not out to get my our Ai!!!

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I kinda like the new girl...I'm waiting to see her interactions with Ai^^
But she'll never replace Ai in our heart,Ai was is the most awesome character in DC,nobody can replace her!!! 

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Well... true... she does spark the BO question ^^ Yes! No one can replace Ai!!!

[ProfParanoia]

I wonder... aside from her being 'sensitive' to the Black Organization people and being the creator of the APTX4869, what else does she bring to the table as a character?

I'm not sure what you're asking, do you mean what significance does she hold to the rest of the show?

[TypeSera]

I wonder... aside from her being 'sensitive' to the Black Organization people and being the creator of the APTX4869, what else does she bring to the table as a character?

I'm not sure what you're asking, do you mean what significance does she hold to the rest of the show?

Yes, that. Sorry that I didn't make that one clear. I mean it'd be nice if she opened up some more - we all know she loves her parents, Akemi particularly. And what does Ran mean to her now that she kind of sees Akemi in her?

Originally, she tried to commit suicide - but lived instead because of the side-effect. From the moment she's introduced, she's practically the nemesis of optimism. Is it because she kept that mindset from when she decided to commit suicide, and is creating the antidote for Shinichi as a means to at least pay something to those the organization messed with?

SHe's basically still a mystery that Haibara Ai to me is nothing more than a fake name, unlike 'Conan' who has developed a 'personality' apart from Shinichi. It's easy to tell Conan and Shinichi apart because they have something distinctive, but for Ai and Shiho... hmmm, meh. We know how Miyano Shiho fits into the story... but what significance does Haibara Ai hold?

I actually think that the author is not really saving her but he's running out of ideas and is using her for a minor plot or when he needed a bait to keep people interested

Interesting because Kobayashi Sumiko was inserted far later into the series and had less air time, but basically we know who she is and how relevant she is. Miyano Shiho was introduced in episode 125... 500 episodes later, she's a mystery with her character, personally, still incomplete. A 500-episode old 'bait' is just ridiculous considering we have Kobayashi Sumiko, Naeko Miike, and

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Sera Masumi

with character potential.

[ProfParanoia]

Originally, she tried to commit suicide - but lived instead because of the side-effect.

She took the pill so she could stay alive, she wasn't trying to die, she just didn't have another option.


@Your Main Points: I feel like I'm just going to miss the issue since all I can really say here is "I'm not too sure what to tell you". I really don't think Gosho is going to do much more with her, probably dodge around her in the Bourbon ark too. And yes, Ai's general motivation for making the drug is something she just feels like she should do and/or she feels that she needs to pay for her stay at Agasa's in work.

I never saw the fact that she made the movement of the plot that insignificant and I'm not sure what she could get into other than what has been touched on that's not trivial, outside of her more specific relationships to the BO. Really she's just not being used for probably what Eve said.

It's hard really call that since we only saw Shiho from Ai two times for a very short period of time.

@Second Post: I'm not sure what point you're actually trying to make. Kobayashi is a simple secondary or even thirdary (:P) character, nothing much to "flush out" and count as tell-all. And um, what are you talking about, how are Naeko and Kobayashi more potential characters than Ai, what does that even mean?

Also, for a character like Ai, tell-all is the worst characterization you can give. You dont want to explain everything or really much at all, just drag us along with personality and hints.

[AICHAN]

I agree with Prof...
anyway I think we know many things about Ai but nothing about Shiho's past...
I guess that knowing Shiho's life would help us to understand Ai's personality even more,and that will be the key to solve the main plot...
that's why Gosho doesn't want to tell everything about her...he wants to keep the mystery about Ai until the end

[Eve]

I agree with Prof...
anyway I think we know many things about Ai but nothing about Shiho's past...
I guess that knowing Shiho's life would help us to understand Ai's personality even more,and that will be the key to solve the main plot...
that's why Gosho doesn't want to tell everything about her...he wants to keep the mystery about Ai until the end

Worst Case Scenario: Gosho doesn't even know Ai's past LOL

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Hopefully with the appearance of Sera, more will be reveal... I mean we only know:

- Ai's real name: Miyano Shiho
- Profession - Biochemist
- Parents and sister and their connection to BO
- Ai and Gin has some kind of relationship
- BO likes to hunt for Ai - Honestly what does she really know?
- Ai was talking about reversing times/ Paraphrasing
- Great with computers - Possibly still have that APTX Floppy
- One year older than Conan (I think)

[ProfParanoia]

Worst Case Scenario: Gosho doesn't even know Ai's past LOL

I could think of a worse case scenario.

[Eve]

Worst Case Scenario: Gosho doesn't even know Ai's past LOL

I could think of a worse case scenario.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That will kills me

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If Ai turns out to be Ran's half sister or something

[TypeSera]

Originally, she tried to commit suicide - but lived instead because of the side-effect.

She took the pill so she could stay alive, she wasn't trying to die, she just didn't have another option.


@Your Main Points: I feel like I'm just going to miss the issue since all I can really say here is "I'm not too sure what to tell you". I really don't think Gosho is going to do much more with her, probably dodge around her in the Bourbon ark too. And yes, Ai's general motivation for making the drug is something she just feels like she should do and/or she feels that she needs to pay for her stay at Agasa's in work.

I never saw the fact that she made the movement of the plot that insignificant and I'm not sure what she could get into other than what has been touched on that's not trivial, outside of her more specific relationships to the BO. Really she's just not being used for probably what Eve said.

It's hard really call that since we only saw Shiho from Ai two times for a very short period of time.

@Second Post: I'm not sure what point you're actually trying to make. Kobayashi is a simple secondary or even thirdary (:P) character, nothing much to "flush out" and count as tell-all. And um, what are you talking about, how are Naeko and Kobayashi more potential characters than Ai, what does that even mean?

Also, for a character like Ai, tell-all is the worst characterization you can give. You dont want to explain everything or really much at all, just drag us along with personality and hints.

I mean, in the span of 500 episodes, I feel that more should have already been revealed about Shiho/Ai even if it's something as simple as an entire day remembering her sister from the moments they spent together. I feel that the mentioned tertiary characters have more memorable moments than her.

Kobayashi, even if she is a tertiary character, at least for me is more interesting character because in a short span of time, it was revealed that she's sharper than she looks (Conan being cautious about his suiri), she met Shiratori at a young age, at one time got really angry at him because of how she found out about Sato, and is even involved in a plot where nothing from her past is related (Courtroom Case). At the rate this is going, I'm guessing we'll be seeing more of her.

For Naeko, well, given that she's a Chiba's love interest very early in childhood, I doubt the author would just leave it there like what he did with Fusae Campbell. Given his track record for the 'childhood friends' formula, we'll be seeing something about Chiba and her in the future.

Shiho/Ai hasn't revealed enough - Akai just said it's not the time for him and her to meet yet during Vermouth Arc, in one of the tape recordings of her mother it was revealed that her mother had an important message for her (enough to change her expression to a very serious one) but hasn't been elaborated yet, and in one instance she sighed perhaps of envy at the sight of a mother coming to pick up her son. Shinichi did ask her what's wrong but she just shrugged it off and wasn't touched on again.

It's been 500 episodes already - I just feel that it's about time we find out something new about her, something other than a reminder that she was once a member of the Black Organization. I'm not asking for a tell-all, I'm just saying that the hints dropped about her are insufficient. What I want is something like... Ran cooking up Akemi's favorite dish and then the entire revolves around her personal relationship with Akemi.

[ProfParanoia]

I mean, in the span of 500 episodes, I feel that more should have already been revealed about Shiho/Ai even if it's something as simple as an entire day remembering her sister from the moments they spent together. I feel that the mentioned tertiary characters have more memorable moments than her.

Kobayashi, even if she is a tertiary character, at least for me is more interesting character because in a short span of time, it was revealed that she's sharper than she looks (Conan being cautious about his suiri), she met Shiratori at a young age, at one time got really angry at him because of how she found out about Sato, and is even involved in a plot where nothing from her past is related (Courtroom Case). At the rate this is going, I'm guessing we'll be seeing more of her.

For Naeko, well, given that she's a Chiba's love interest very early in childhood, I doubt the author would just leave it there like what he did with Fusae Campbell. Given his track record for the 'childhood friends' formula, we'll be seeing something about Chiba and her in the future.

Shiho/Ai hasn't revealed enough - Akai just said it's not the time for him and her to meet yet during Vermouth Arc, in one of the tape recordings of her mother it was revealed that her mother had an important message for her (enough to change her expression to a very serious one) but hasn't been elaborated yet, and in one instance she sighed perhaps of envy at the sight of a mother coming to pick up her son. Shinichi did ask her what's wrong but she just shrugged it off and wasn't touched on again.

It's been 500 episodes already - I just feel that it's about time we find out something new about her, something other than a reminder that she was once a member of the Black Organization. I'm not asking for a tell-all, I'm just saying that the hints dropped about her are insufficient. What I want is something like... Ran cooking up Akemi's favorite dish and then the entire revolves around her personal relationship with Akemi.

1. Well, as I said revealing Haibara would be a really bad idea, hinting is was should have been done. Also the line "I feel that the mentioned tertiary characters have more memorable moments than her." is just dumb.

2. The "more interesting" argument is really empty, no mater what side you take. So the fact we learned everything in an instant and then leaving a relatively blank character after that works better? How? Getting things out the shot gun isn't very much fun.  Nothing you listed is very special to any DC character, and are you actually trying to say Ai is not involved in cases that aren't BO? Yes, and that more is being referenced to and bit parts for the rest of the show that last half a minute at most.

3. He probably would, Chiba's not as important as Agasa and that was a childhood romance. Plus, what difference does she bring, she likes Beta? Oh boy, white hot intensity.

4.  Again, that's a good thing, giving us everything in one shot and then just being "uh, okay done here" isn't gonna engage. Also, all the stuff you listed now and before about Ai, is a lot more than the other two combined (not even counting importance to the plot) and it leaves space to add in or let the audience guess at. In a mystery story having a mysterious characters works!

5. Ok, sure, but the examples and statements you're dropping are ridiculous. And hints dropped about her work, before Kobayashi got all that stuff, were you really asking for so long "Wow, what is she here for? This will be so cool!" No, it wasn't, hints direct you to find out rather then blurt out, and it gives something in the wait, which for a show this long and based around mysteries, is a good thing. Also, I would really rather not get into more Akemi crap.

[TypeSera]

Of course having a mysterious character in a mystery story is important, but to me she's becoming more of a character that's becoming forgotten rather than mysterious. The supposed hints isn't really drawing me to the mystery anymore to be honest. Shiho/Ai's involved in a lot of cases outside BO but I couldn't really recall something that sticks out or adds to her character in a more memorable way. Sure, this isn't something special to any DC character, but she's a really important character and I don't really want to see her 'fade out' into the background.

In a story this long, even mysterious characters need something that would remind us that they're still there. But just having reminders of a past (B.O.) that's been established a long time ago is really getting old. I'd be happy if there would at least be one - just one instance of something new that adds to her mystery and keep me interested while waiting to know more.

[AICHAN]

Of course having a mysterious character in a mystery story is important, but to me she's becoming more of a character that's becoming forgotten rather than mysterious. The supposed hints isn't really drawing me to the mystery anymore to be honest. Shiho/Ai's involved in a lot of cases outside BO but I couldn't really recall something that sticks out or adds to her character in a more memorable way. Sure, this isn't something special to any DC character, but she's a really important character and I don't really want to see her 'fade out' into the background.

In a story this long, even mysterious characters need something that would remind us that they're still there. But just having reminders of a past (B.O.) that's been established a long time ago is really getting old. I'd be happy if there would at least be one - just one instance of something new that adds to her mystery and keep me interested while waiting to know more.

We all are waiting for information about Ai past,something new about her personality...  but as I said before,Ai is an important character,so I guess Gosho is saving these information for important cases (Boubon arc...).
She's not like Kobayashi or Chiba...all the things we know about Ai past can be a clue for the BO arc,so Gosho can't tell everything about her,or else it would ruin the suspens about the BO

Moreover,we don't know that much about the main characters(Kogoro,Ran,Conan...),I mean, we didn't discover something new about them in the recent episodes...it seems like Gosho is focused on adding new characters these days...

[ProfParanoia]

Of course having a mysterious character in a mystery story is important, but to me she's becoming more of a character that's becoming forgotten rather than mysterious. That's not really the information style, that's just that she is being forgotten. The supposed hints isn't really drawing me to the mystery anymore to be honest. Again, I think the problem seems to be if you get rather than what, so I doubt this would really be the case much. Shiho/Ai's involved in a lot of cases outside BO but I couldn't really recall something that sticks out or adds to her character in a more memorable way. Well, in a now sense that's neutral and in a then sense that isn't true so idk what to tell you. Sure, this isn't something special to any DC character, but she's a really important character and I don't really want to see her 'fade out' into the background. Well, that already happened. Plus, Megure has had been in probably most of the episodes yet has little beyond one person from his past.

In a story this long, even mysterious characters need something that would remind us that they're still there. Obv, but I disagree what and I disagree with you views of the other characters in comparison. But just having reminders of a past (B.O.) that's been established a long time ago is really getting old.You mean like Akemi? I'd be happy if there would at least be one - just one instance of something new that adds to her mystery and keep me interested while waiting to know more. Aren't you waiting now?

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~That's not really the information style, that's just that she is being forgotten.
~Again, I think the problem seems to be if you get rather than what, so I doubt this would really be the case much.
~Well, in a now sense that's neutral and in a then sense that isn't true so idk what to tell you.
~Well, that already happened. Plus, Megure has had been in probably most of the episodes yet has little beyond one person from his past.
~Obv, but I disagree what and I disagree with you views of the other characters in comparison.
~You mean like Akemi?
~Aren't you waiting now?

[shihokudo]

Just saying....at the moment every character except for Conan, Ran, Sonoko and KID are being ignored

Wow long posts...
And in my opinion, I think Gosho is keeping it it as a cliffhanger so that we are more excited when he DOES reveal more...I have a feeling he will soon

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*coughseraBOarccough*