Ai + Conan

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Ran wrote: I don't know why (some of you ) think that the love story between Ran and Shinichi is baby-stupid-love-moments or silly moments , seriously, i started watching DC because of THIS love story because them apart (morally) and close (living together) is just too original as an idea, from other mangas and i found their love too pure and innocent , i read many mangas but somehow , i felt more attached to this love story and i will feel very sorry if they don't end together!! As for Haibara I know she's SOMETIMES cool and mature but i dont like her too much b'cause she's attached to the past and she's rather cold ::freezing::
Seriously (sorry for AI & CONAN fans) this couple i mean AI & Conan just doesn't sound right for me!! i just love their friendship and i don't think Haibara loves him like most of u said but it's just admiration as a .... we can say ... an idol!!
some says they have an evidence about the EXISTENCE of this love just show it to me and I LOOSE!!!!!
Sorry i don't mean to offend you when i said that but... About the fact that haibare is cold and rather freezing, you are going a bit too far. Like some one said it's the normal persnality for her character, she lost her sister, all her family she can just heard her mother voice with some taps. Like every one i didn't appreciate her very much, but when she cry in conan arms (vol 18), and attempts to her life (vol 29) i begin to really apreciate her.
For some of you who think that conan&ai is just freak and unreal, i remind of yukiko telling conan about haibara possible feeling for him when she first met her, so gosho him self draw it. There is no evidence i agree but it is the best relationship for me in DC, even it's not love
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lol you loose Ran

tho i hav always been a RanxShinichi person since i started DC, there is without a doubt a situation where Ai has feelings for Conan but Conan dsnt feel tat way for Ai.

so please stop with this Ai + Conan is goin to fail, ur not Gosho, u dnt kno how he's gonna end DC and the development between Ai + Conan wud definitely happen sooner or later.
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Girl19 wrote: Let's suppose you're right about it, that Haibara doesn't want Ran involved, but do you have an idea why she doesn't want so?
I actually find that to be one of the more interesting questions in the series. I doubt early on, when she first starts nagging Conan to keep the secret from Ran, it was because she wanted to protect Ran. Up to then she didn't even acknowledge Ran existed, and she generally doesn't care about strangers, especially that early on (she even actively lead the Detective Boys into obvious danger in her first story). Obviously later on she does care enough to want to protect Ran, but that still might not be the primary reason for keeping the secret from her.

The most obvious possibility is she really was trying to split up Shin'ichi and Ran. I think she probably did fall for Shin'ichi after he saved her from Pisco and Gin. The aftermath of that encounter is when she first acknowledged Ran existed and started nagging Conan to keep the secret from her. She was notably happy after Shin'ichi made it obvious that he couldn't confess his feelings to Ran before reverting, though of course she might have just been happy he survived the temp cure. Even if she were happy that he couldn't confess, it might not mean it's because she wants him for herself, she might know a permanent cure is unlikely and that Shin'ichi getting even closer to Ran emotionally would only hurt him that much worse.

The other thing that changed after the encounter with Pisco was that Vermouth was now on the scene. If Haibara knew that and about Vermouth's disguise/infiltration abilities and feared she might investigate detectives in Beika even if Gin wouldn't then the old reason about security might have been her primary concern (as for why she wouldn't warn Conan, it could be because he might do something reckless while trying to flush Vermouth out into the open).

She might just not have wanted another potentially hot headed teen, who could easily do something reckless to draw the Org.'s attention, involved.

She might know that the Mouri family has an Org. link that she doesn't want Conan to know about.

Of course, it could be any combination of those and other reasons. Lots of ifs, mights, and coulds, unfortunately.
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To Haibaraai4869:
Well I guess i exagerated about the freezing part but don't you think she's cuter when she smiles?  I mean she's not the first one whose her family members dies , i mean , i know it's painful,too painful but what's done IS DONE, staying in the dark because of that will make her more sad , she must think that now she found a new family ( Agasa , Ayumi , conan , genta and mitsu) , i think if Gosho set up that one of her parents is alive it will be great too!! WELL AFTER ALL HAIBARA FANS ARE INBEATABLE LOL (if we continue this discussion it won't end)!! But don't misunderstand me I like Haibara and as i said sometimes she's cool but when my sweet Ran get attacked I just get mad !!!!!!
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Rellik wrote: lol you loose Ran
I'm the one who won she said she has no evidence LOL ;D
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Ran wrote:
Rellik wrote: lol you loose Ran
I'm the one who won she said she has no evidence LOL ;D
for starters, its unbeatable, and secondly who is this 'she'? for all i kno ur previous post was directed at evryone.

and its pretty much a no-brainer that this is going to develop into an one-sided love.

and there wudnt be much of an arguement if ur 'sweet Ran' dsnt get attcked lol
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@ Nyarl: I understand your point of view now but I don't agree with few points:
Nyarl wrote: (she even actively lead the Detective Boys into obvious danger in her first story).
By "her first story", do you mean when the Detetive Boys got involved with that lady wearing black who was making fake money or? If so, I don't think she "actively lead" them into danger. That was Genta's "bright" idea (as usual), she was just watching; so I'd rather say she played a passive role back then. That, if it's what you meant...
Nyarl wrote: The most obvious possibility is she really was trying to split up Shin'ichi and Ran. I think she probably did fall for Shin'ichi after he saved her from Pisco and Gin. The aftermath of that encounter is when she first acknowledged Ran existed and started nagging Conan to keep the secret from her. She was notably happy after Shin'ichi made it obvious that he couldn't confess his feelings to Ran before reverting, though of course she might have just been happy he survived the temp cure. Even if she were happy that he couldn't confess, it might not mean it's because she wants him for herself, she might know a permanent cure is unlikely and that Shin'ichi getting even closer to Ran emotionally would only hurt him that much worse.
I don't think Haibara's the type to try and split up two people she knows are in love. Yes, she might be cold sometimes (or rather trying to act so), but I cannot believe she'd go that far. I don't think she's a bad person, she does have a good heart. Also, I wouldn't say she was happy when Conan decided not to tell Ran about his secret. By the way, are you talking about the Missing Watch case? (It's the only case that comes to my mind right now..) I think, too, that she started having feelings for Conan after the Pisco case, even though she's been clearly interested in "Kudo, the survivor" since the very beginning. Yet she never admitted that, so she might just have another type of feelings for him, maybe she just admires him or so... (But I personally think that she loves him.) ------------

PS: I guess I explained clearly what I think, so now I'm ending this conversation.
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Ran wrote: I mean she's not the first one whose her family members dies , i mean , i know it's painful,too painful but what's done IS DONE, staying in the dark because of that will make her more sad , ...
I don't think it's as simple as you make it sound here. Why don't you say so about Ran? She's been crying a lot about Shinichi, yet he's not even related to her (I mean, he's a very close friend and all, yes, but he's not from her family). Plus, he didn't die, he's just far away from her yet she cries a lot because of him. Why don't you critic Ran here, or say that she should forget about the past, etc? On the other hand, Haibara LOST ALL her family members. I hate repeating myself, but she never had the chance to see and know her parents - and she loved her sister too much because she was the only person she could rely on, yet she was killed because of her (knowing that Akemi got involved in the BO so that she could set her sister free). And after all this, you hardly-ever see Haibara cry even though she's literally living a tragedy. What do you blame her for? For being cold? How would anyone react if they were in the same situation, how would Ran react? Judging others is very easy, yeah..

Ran wrote: But don't misunderstand me I like Haibara and as i said sometimes she's cool but when my sweet Ran get attacked I just get mad !!!!!!
We don't attack Ran. Maybe some of us (myself included) went a little bit too far and harsh about Ran but you gotta understand that we, too, don't like it when some Ran fans keep bashing Haibara (just like what you keep doing in ever topic). As far as I'm concerned, I don't hate Ran or anything; she's not one of my favorite characters, true, but I don't hate her and I do hope Gosho makes a happy ending for her, after all the waiting she's been through.

Ran wrote: I'm the one who won she said she has no evidence LOL ;D
"She"? Whom are you talking about? You know, this is not a game/war, there's no winner or looser, just RELAX, will you? xD You're always the one bringing up the AiXConan topic, this thread was in God knows which page, yet you posted a comment to bring it up.

And by "evidence", do you mean an evidence that Conan's in love with Ai, or an evidence that he cares about her?
- If you mean the first one: there is NO evidence since he's not in love with her. Rejoice!
- If you mean the second one: Conan cares much about Ai, not because they're friends, but because they're close friends now.

Your evidence: he keeps saving her from depression (aka suicide attempts); he's always been helping her when she feels down ("Don't run away from your faith, Haibara"): Also, what about the time when he got so worried, thinking she was gonna leave? And she's cheered by him as well, he even helps her in her daily life:
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(Translation from "headstrongshiho", with an explanation added).

Genta: This game is really interesting.
Mitsuhiko: This time, professor is actually doing a great job.
Ayumi: Where's Ai?
Professor: I think she already got up.
Conan: Don't tell me she didn't get over her bad mood...
Professor: Don't say that. It seems Ai's been recieving electric static shocks ever since that morning. And to make matters worst, she lost her antistatic goods somewhere.
~Ai's scene~
Conan: (I have no idea what he's saying - weak japanese. I think it should be something like: "You should have a little try?" - Haibara was always getting shocked from static electricity, and Conan told her a way to prevent this, which was: to release your static by putting your hand on a nearby wall, and THEN touch the door knob).
~Haibara opens the door~
Ayumi: Come and play this game with us, Ai!
Ai: Is it alright, I'm actually pretty good at the game.
Genta: Haibara, you're cheating!
Mitsuhiko: She's so far ahead!
Ayumi: You're great!
Conan: She's odd when she's in a good mood.
There are other evidences, but those are the ones that came to my mind right now.
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Ran wrote:
Rellik wrote: lol you loose Ran
I'm the one who won she said she has no evidence LOL ;D
Win what? There is no win or lose in this topic unless Gosho appears out of thin air and told us the ending..
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Nyarl wrote:
Girl19 wrote: Let's suppose you're right about it, that Haibara doesn't want Ran involved, but do you have an idea why she doesn't want so?
I actually find that to be one of the more interesting questions in the series. I doubt early on, when she first starts nagging Conan to keep the secret from Ran, it was because she wanted to protect Ran. Up to then she didn't even acknowledge Ran existed, and she generally doesn't care about strangers, especially that early on (she even actively lead the Detective Boys into obvious danger in her first story). Obviously later on she does care enough to want to protect Ran, but that still might not be the primary reason for keeping the secret from her.

The most obvious possibility is she really was trying to split up Shin'ichi and Ran. I think she probably did fall for Shin'ichi after he saved her from Pisco and Gin. The aftermath of that encounter is when she first acknowledged Ran existed and started nagging Conan to keep the secret from her. She was notably happy after Shin'ichi made it obvious that he couldn't confess his feelings to Ran before reverting, though of course she might have just been happy he survived the temp cure. Even if she were happy that he couldn't confess, it might not mean it's because she wants him for herself, she might know a permanent cure is unlikely and that Shin'ichi getting even closer to Ran emotionally would only hurt him that much worse.

The other thing that changed after the encounter with Pisco was that Vermouth was now on the scene. If Haibara knew that and about Vermouth's disguise/infiltration abilities and feared she might investigate detectives in Beika even if Gin wouldn't then the old reason about security might have been her primary concern (as for why she wouldn't warn Conan, it could be because he might do something reckless while trying to flush Vermouth out into the open).

She might just not have wanted another potentially hot headed teen, who could easily do something reckless to draw the Org.'s attention, involved.

She might know that the Mouri family has an Org. link that she doesn't want Conan to know about.

Of course, it could be any combination of those and other reasons. Lots of ifs, mights, and coulds, unfortunately.
OMG, you seriously got on my nerve here.
First of all, Ai doesn't want Conan to tell Ran that he's Shinichi because it might put her to danger. Secondly, Ai does not wanna keep Kudo all to herself. I mean it's obvious that she likes him but no. Because Ai knows that Shinichi is not hers and she knows that she does not deserve him after how she destroyed his life.
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I'm bored and wanting to procrastinate... So here is my two cents...

First off, there is no doubt in my mind that Ran and Shinichi will get together at the end.

That being said... this is how I feel about it...

Personally I think Ai x Conan is the better match up.

My reasons:
1) Conan is the only person Ai opens up to
    - that requires a certain degree of trust
2) Conan doesn't have to explain anything to Ai, she already knows it all
    - I'm sure Ran will be pissed that Shinichi never said anything to her, and it will lead to a few arguments. Possibly with shinichi ending up in the hospital.
3) I'm not saying Ran isn't smart, but... Ai/Shiho is an accomplished chemist at the age of 18... I mean really, the girl is a genius.
    - Shinichi is the same, an accomplished detective at the age of 17. And my personal theory is smart couples make smart kids. 2 smart people can only have a smart child (providing there is no genetic defect or problem in childbirth)

Now, as I have said, I think this would be the better couple, but I doubt Gosho will do that. Still would be nice to see.
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Ran wrote: I don't know why (some of you ) think that the love story between Ran and Shinichi is baby-stupid-love-moments or silly moments , seriously, i started watching DC because of THIS love story because them apart (morally) and close (living together) is just too original as an idea, from other mangas and i found their love too pure and innocent , i read many mangas but somehow , i felt more attached to this love story and i will feel very sorry if they don't end together!! As for Haibara I know she's SOMETIMES cool and mature but i dont like her too much b'cause she's attached to the past and she's rather cold ::freezing::
Seriously (sorry for AI & CONAN fans) this couple i mean AI & Conan just doesn't sound right for me!! i just love their friendship and i don't think Haibara loves him like most of u said but it's just admiration as a .... we can say ... an idol!!
some says they have an evidence about the EXISTENCE of this love just show it to me and I LOOSE!!!!!
Why Ai is so cold or like you said 'freezing'? Well, first of all the BO taught her to never show any emotions to anything and that some how became a habit but deep down she is very heartwarming...And secondly Ai definitely likes him as in the romantic type. (movie 4 where she confessed but then added just kidding. episode 335 where Yukiko pointed out that Ai stared at him 10 times already) And thirdly Ai knows alot more things about Shinichi than Ran eventhough Ran knew him longer......no offence but I really dunno why you think Shinran's love story is more interesting than any other anime/manga's love story. I mean Ran is just a ordianry girl who knows Karate and Shinichi is just a famous detective, both grew up together and both grew fond of each other. If you ask me, I think this is what I would call a dumb, pure naiive love story.....not interesting at all.....
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haibarakudo wrote: {...}
First of all, Ai doesn't want Conan to tell Ran that he's Shinichi because it might put her to danger.
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Haibara's intervention in volume 26 wasn't to protect Ran. She didn't even care particularly about the kids' safety when she first met them. (1a. 1b. 1c.) I doubt she'd even care much if Ran were killed until after volume 42, or possibly volume 31.
Girl19 wrote: Also, I wouldn't say she was happy when Conan decided not to tell Ran about his secret. By the way, are you talking about the Missing Watch case? (It's the only case that comes to my mind right now..)
I meant the follow-up conversation about the temp. cure in volume 26.
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kyuuketsuki wrote: I'm bored and wanting to procrastinate... So here is my two cents...

First off, there is no doubt in my mind that Ran and Shinichi will get together at the end.

That being said... this is how I feel about it...

Personally I think Ai x Conan is the better match up.

My reasons:
1) Conan is the only person Ai opens up to
    - that requires a certain degree of trust
2) Conan doesn't have to explain anything to Ai, she already knows it all
    - I'm sure Ran will be pissed that Shinichi never said anything to her, and it will lead to a few arguments. Possibly with shinichi ending up in the hospital.
3) I'm not saying Ran isn't smart, but... Ai/Shiho is an accomplished chemist at the age of 18... I mean really, the girl is a genius.
    - Shinichi is the same, an accomplished detective at the age of 17. And my personal theory is smart couples make smart kids. 2 smart people can only have a smart child (providing there is no genetic defect or problem in childbirth)

Now, as I have said, I think this would be the better couple, but I doubt Gosho will do that. Still would be nice to see.
1) I'm not sure Ai is all that much more open with Shinichi than she is with the professor.  Furthermore, in terms of why she is open with either of them, it's less an issue of trust than the circumstances they are in.

2) Not sure why having a couple arguments is a bad thing, so long as it all turns out in the end.  Ran's also demonstrated her willingness to trust and accept Shinichi before, so a confrontation isn't even certain.

3) Ai and Conan are indeed very accomplished within their fields, but then again so is Ran.  But as for how they developed those competences themselves, I'd say that was more a product of their respective environments than genetics (at the least, I'd assert that genetics isn't a sure thing.  Take Akemi for example; although I'm certain a very nice girl, I doubt you'd call her a genius on Shiho's level).

haibarakudo wrote: Why Ai is so cold or like you said 'freezing'? Well, first of all the BO taught her to never show any emotions to anything and that some how became a habit but deep down she is very heartwarming...And secondly Ai definitely likes him as in the romantic type. (movie 4 where she confessed but then added just kidding. episode 335 where Yukiko pointed out that Ai stared at him 10 times already) And thirdly Ai knows alot more things about Shinichi than Ran eventhough Ran knew him longer......no offence but I really dunno why you think Shinran's love story is more interesting than any other anime/manga's love story. I mean Ran is just a ordianry girl who knows Karate and Shinichi is just a famous detective, both grew up together and both grew fond of each other. If you ask me, I think this is what I would call a dumb, pure naiive love story.....not interesting at all.....
Strange, I've never encountered anything which suggested that Ai knows more about Shinichi despite Ran having known him longer.  For romance relevant stuff, have you got any 'lemon pie' level examples?

Anyway, as for how Ran x Shinichi is interesting, I've given a bit of thought about this.  Now that I've discovered Detective Conan, Ran x Shinichi has actually become a schema of sorts for certain types of relationships in my mind, like my previous focus Shirley x Lelouch from Code Geass.  First of all, I guess I'll admit that Ran x Shinichi probably isn't interesting from an 'outside' perspective; there's a strong aspect of loyalty or faithfulness, as if they couldn't even imagine themselves with someone else, so I you lose out on the ideas of 'she's a good catch' or 'he's a perfect boyfriend'; courtship just isn't an issue here.  Instead, I am drawn by the 'inside' perspective, what they see in each other--because you can tell, just by the way they treat each other, that it's something (from their own perspectives) very powerful.

To put forth some of the thoughts I've had: to Ran, Shinichi is a role model, something of an anchor in terms of identity.  As we saw in the Golden Apple case, Ran, despite her strength, is very sensitive about the idea of hurting others.  With regards to why, I think maybe a defining aspect of this kind of character is that they don't see or put themselves above others.  Regardless, the net result is that Ran lacks initiative, and is a bit afraid to put herself forward; so she's a bit frustrated with that, or trying to change it.  So from this perspective look at Shinichi: strong, confident, speaks with conviction.  He's passionate about what he does in a way that moves his whole life forward; he's never at a loss for what to do.  For someone who struggles with blaming herself instead of others, he must look cool, right?  With all his theatrics about 'putting evil behind bars'.  As a result, she emulates him--when Ran is faced with situations which make her doubt herself, other people, or the world, she thinks to herself 'what would Shinichi do?'.  And as we've seen a couple times, she comes out dazzling.

With that said, I think overall, Shinichi as a role model is much more important to Ran than Shinichi as a lover.  However, it's also true that status as a role model that makes him so attractive to her.  Because Shinichi is someone she trusts and admires on such an inherent level, any attraction to other men will hardly register.

My thoughts on Shinichi are a bit less concrete.  They're probably a bit interspersed with my own feelings.  However, what I think is, to Shinichi, Ran is a miracle.  An ordinary, but--more than that--beautiful (I don't mean (just) physically) person in the face of a world filled with murder, blackmail, adultery, suicide.  Someone who has (personally!) confronted them and remains kind, gentle, warm.  It isn't just the crimes themselves; as a detective, Shinichi must have a firm grasp of the psychology behind these actions.  So it might be people like Ran, someone devoid of hate, deceit, arrogance or self-interest, that he feels are most worth protecting.

Sorry, that doesn't explain it well.  Those are all mundane, logical, reality based things.  What I want to say is that to Shinichi, Ran is something a bit profound.  Listen to how he describes her (from the Memories of a First Love case): "She is strong, stubborn, but gentle and sensitive.  She has everything in her."

...

Well, hell.  Okay, compositional copout here.  Basically, I don't know what to say about that statement.  I can't really explain it.  All that's clear to me is that to Shinichi, Ran is something a little bit spiritual.  And that's interesting, makes Detective Conan more interesting than a conventional romance manga because it's not about love, it's about how these characters' lives, their very existence is changed by the presence of a single other person.
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Nyarl wrote:
haibarakudo wrote: {...}
First of all, Ai doesn't want Conan to tell Ran that he's Shinichi because it might put her to danger.
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Haibara's intervention in volume 26 wasn't to protect Ran. She didn't even care particularly about the kids' safety when she first met them. (1a. 1b. 1c.) I doubt she'd even care much if Ran were killed until after volume 42, or possibly volume 31.
*Taking one deep breath*
Why do I get the feeling that you're making Ai sound so selfish? I mean how would you know if she would care if Ran were killed in episode 345? Just because Gosho didn't write much about it doesn't mean Ai won't care. Anyways, Ai did warm up to her after Ran saved her
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