Mafia Game Round 7 (BO Wins)

[Holmes]

This is bad, Hakuba had a good ability for helping ...

Something not important: the Beastly-xpon conversation actually confused me a lot, and now I don´t know who to lynch. *maybe I´ll stick to Kleene.*

[Kleene Onigiri]

It's bad to lynch me since I'm a townie. So we need someone else we could lynch. But randomly lynching someone else who could be a townie too is bad too :/

So, maybe someone got other clues who to lynch? According to their abilities (like a DB found someone? Or investigations/interrogations etc.)
If not then we could try to figure out my dream. Since there are 2 possible BO suspects in it. So if you want to clear it, then PM me if you trust me enough to try to figure out the dream.

But if we don't get another suspect, I guess it's better to lynch me in the end. Because then the BO can't disguise themselves as Akai anymore. But it would be good to have a clue on another BO, so I could use my "lynching ability" efficiently (if I would use it anyway. Since the possibility of killing 2 townspeople is bad)

[Beastly]

BTW, xpon lied to some of the part to that to the town.  :)

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A secret makes a man, man 

Fair enough. Would any of those secrets/xpon's lies influence my lynch vote?

Not really, maybe 30/70

[xGinx]

So, now we are about to lynch Kleene?? Looks like everybody is playing by trusting Xpon to be Sherry/Ai even when the previous Night/Day nobody trusted him ... isn't that weird?? just saying.

If the lovers thing that Kleene suggested is true then his BO lover might be someone that the previous Nights/Days used to be arguing against him and now he is not .... we might have an start point to start looking for BOs.

[Beastly]

So, now we are about to lynch Kleene?? Looks like everybody is playing by trusting Xpon to be Sherry/Ai even when the previous round nobody trusted him ... isn't that weird?? just saying.

No one is trusting xpon really ill give you that  and last round he's a BO. And last round im the guy that trusted and even ask the Townie to do specific things, and they dont trust me til it end. Mafia, for you

[xGinx]

Another thing, until now all we got (at least what everybody knows) is:

Xpon claiming to be Sherry/Ai - Not confirmed yet.

Beastly claiming to be Okiya - Not confirmed yet.

Kleene claiming to be Akai - Not confirmed yet.

Am i right??

[Beastly]

Another thing, until now all we got (at least what everybody knows) is:

Xpon claiming to be Sherry/Ai - Not confirmed yet.

Beastly claiming to be Okiya - Not confirmed yet.

Kleene claiming to be Akai - Not confirmed yet.

Am i right??

Seriously we have to know if Xpon is really Sherry before letting ourselves controlled by him

So with xpon's brilliant strategy there are now 3 possible victim of APTX tommorow 

[Schillok]

Seriously we have to know if Xpon is really Sherry before letting ourselves controlled by him

So with xpon's brilliant strategy there are now 3 possible victim of APTX tommorow 

Being dead I will only resort to public information. And leave away the parts I knew while I was alive and what I concluded...

Xpon claimed to be Sherry.
Kleene confirmed that she was followed.
Xpon told that Kleene had a scent.

Putting the things together allows to get a good idea about the situation.

But yeah, I wonder how many ghosts we will have tomorrow join Ayumi and me... 

[Akonyl]

Alrighty, I've woken up and am now in a better state to think about things than last night.

So, now we are about to lynch Kleene?? Looks like everybody is playing by trusting Xpon to be Sherry/Ai even when the previous Night/Day nobody trusted him ... isn't that weird?? just saying.

If the lovers thing that Kleene suggested is true then his BO lover might be someone that the previous Nights/Days used to be arguing against him and now he is not .... we might have an start point to start looking for BOs.

The thing about xpon is that yeah, he could be someone other than sherry. However, when he was told to follow Kleene, Kleene verified that she was followed. So, in order for xpon to not be sherry:
1) He and Kleene would have to both be cahoots with each other, where xpon could tell kleene "hey, pretend you were followed" and kleene would do so. However, the motive for this one is a little weird, as it's basically just a BO sacrificing a BO in order to gain trust (which worked so well in previous rounds ). And if they were both townies, getting a townie lynched, that's not very smart.
2) He would have to have access to a sherry. So, this would make xpon either Sonoko or a lover (possibly BO), who is tied to a sherry, and he's taken up their disguise in order to keep the real sherry safe.

both of which are possibilities, but I don't know how high they really are.

and to an earlier post:

Wow, Hakuba's been in...what, three games in a row? He doesn't show up that much in DC.  I hate that we lost an interrogator. He probably had some important info he could've told us.

So, if I've got this straight--

Kleene claimed to be town with a scent (Akai or Okiya).
Beastly told xpon not to believe her if she said she was Okiya.
xpon figured that meant Beastly was claiming to be Okiya. He asked Beastly to check about an Irish.
Beastly reacted in a way that made xpon think he wasn't really going to do it and was therefore lying about his role.
xpon revealed his suspicions about Beastly in the thread, which made Beastly claim that he had done what xpon had asked and checked about an Irish.

And somewhere in there, xpon fished for answers from Beastly by falsely implying that Kleene had claimed to be Okiya? That part doesn't really matter, I guess.  I can't really blame Beastly for backing off when xpon was close to discovering his role, now that the BO has the APTX.

xpon, who else knew that Kleene and Schillok were going to investigate each other last night? It's likely that someone among that group was BO and decided to kill Schillok so he couldn't share his results about Kleene. If it was only you, Schillok, and Kleene who knew...well, that narrows it down and makes her pretty suspicious. If a lot of people knew, it's still possible that Schillok was killed to prevent him from proving Kleene innocent.

Edit: Just realized xpon said he'd be offline for the day. Oh, well.

I'm also not sure why beastly saying "don't believe her if I'm Okiya" and her saying "I'm Akai" are so conflicting or whatever as xpon's saying, but whatever.

The part of this that I find suspect is that you say kleene and schillok had an agreement, and that you were allied with schillok also, and that kleene had the bowtie. So, if you three are the only three in your alliance, and kleene got the bowtie, and schillok was going to prove her innocence by proving she could investigate something, why would she kill him? If he was going to check that she investigated a certain person to show she had investigator, why would she kill the person who would be giving evidence of her innocence (even if it's not very conclusive because she had the bowtie)? There'd be no reason to "kill Schillok so he couldn't share his results about Kleene", because whether she was BO or not, she could pass the test. Unless Schillok actually didn't check her investigations, and instead just interrogated her.



also,

And the one that make me think that you are a BO is Beastly. So please kill him if you are the real Akai.

you know, as fun as vengeful "serves you right" akai killing is, if she has no reason to think he's BO (or that he's okiya like he says) then why would she want to kill beastly?

also, schillok's post just made me think of the point: If kleene was followed, and is actually BO, why bother acknowledging it?

Either way, I'm not sure I like the whole xpon situation, but it seems right now people are going for kleene. Hmm.

[pofa]

The part of this that I find suspect is that you say kleene and schillok had an agreement, and that you were allied with schillok also, and that kleene had the bowtie. So, if you three are the only three in your alliance, and kleene got the bowtie, and schillok was going to prove her innocence by proving she could investigate something, why would she kill him? If he was going to check that she investigated a certain person to show she had investigator, why would she kill the person who would be giving evidence of her innocence (even if it's not very conclusive because she had the bowtie)? There'd be no reason to "kill Schillok so he couldn't share his results about Kleene", because whether she was BO or not, she could pass the test. Unless Schillok actually didn't check her investigations, and instead just interrogated her.

When you say "you," I'm assuming you mean xpon and not me? xpon was the one that said Kleene and Schillok had an agreement to investigate each other. I never said I was allied with Schillok (I wasn't), and I didn't know about the agreement (or Kleene having the bowtie) until xpon talked about it on the thread.

I assumed when I found out about this plan that everyone involved knew, or suspected, that Schillok was going to interrogate instead of investigate. If she's BO other than anokata (or Vermouth?), she'd have shown up BO while claiming to be Akai/Okiya. Since Schillok was Hakuba, he couldn't investigate, only interrogate, so if anyone involved knew his role they'd have known this would happen and it might have been to their advantage to kill him.

also,

And the one that make me think that you are a BO is Beastly. So please kill him if you are the real Akai.

you know, as fun as vengeful "serves you right" akai killing is, if she has no reason to think he's BO (or that he's okiya like he says) then why would she want to kill beastly?

also, schillok's post just made me think of the point: If kleene was followed, and is actually BO, why bother acknowledging it?

Either way, I'm not sure I like the whole xpon situation, but it seems right now people are going for kleene. Hmm.

I thought Kleene acknowledged the following so she could pretend to be Okiya/Akai. If she claimed she wasn't followed, and someone (Okiya, DB, lynching, the BO through APTX) proved xpon was Haibara, she'd be outed as BO immediately. Although it doesn't look like it's going much better for her this way.

xpon suspected Beastly because of their exchange earlier. Now Kleene has a reason to suspect him because of her dream. It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to lynch-kill him if she were Akai, I guess. 

[Akonyl]

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When you say "you," I'm assuming you mean xpon and not me? xpon was the one that said Kleene and Schillok had an agreement to investigate each other. I never said I was allied with Schillok (I wasn't), and I didn't know about the agreement (or Kleene having the bowtie) until xpon talked about it on the thread.

I assumed when I found out about this plan that everyone involved knew, or suspected, that Schillok was going to interrogate instead of investigate. If she's BO other than anokata (or Vermouth?), she'd have shown up BO while claiming to be Akai/Okiya. Since Schillok was Hakuba, he couldn't investigate, only interrogate, so if anyone involved knew his role they'd have known this would happen and it might have been to their advantage to kill him.

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I thought Kleene acknowledged the following so she could pretend to be Okiya/Akai. If she claimed she wasn't followed, and someone (Okiya, DB, lynching, the BO through APTX) proved xpon was Haibara, she'd be outed as BO immediately. Although it doesn't look like it's going much better for her this way.

xpon suspected Beastly because of their exchange earlier. Now Kleene has a reason to suspect him because of her dream. It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to lynch-kill him if she were Akai, I guess. 

oh, yeah, I did mean xpon, sorry about that. Sometimes I switch who I'm talking to without even realizing it.

And I forgot that hakuba can't do any investigating. That's odd though, because xpon said that they were planning on checking kleene's investigating ability, and since hakuba's dead there's no reason to keep the "true plan" (of actually interrogating her) under wraps, so maybe everyone involved thought schillok was a different detective?

valid point about the detective boys thing also. Although, I dunno how good the 20% chance on beastly is from the dream, if it'd be enough to warrant a spite killing.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Schillok told me that he's Hakuba after I said that I'm Akai to him and that he will interrogate some people (a list of 4 and I wasn't in it) and that I should investigate this. And tell the results after the night. (all results were false btw. So my guess is that he interrogated me, but I don't know for sure) But Schillok died... And I didn't know that xpon (and schillok?) knew that I have the Bow-tie.

[Akonyl]

ah, that would make sense then, didn't think of checking investigation ability that way. So I guess he did interrogate her after all, as she claims they were all false.

But anyway, I guess unless any other evidence/suspects pop up, I'm gonna vote on Kleene because the only roles called so far are her, beastly and xpon, of which she's the most suspicious atm.

[Holmes]

ah, that would make sense then, didn't think of checking investigation ability that way. So I guess he did interrogate her after all, as she claims they were all false.

But anyway, I guess unless any other evidence/suspects pop up, I'm gonna vote on Kleene because the only roles called so far are her, beastly and xpon, of which she's the most suspicious atm.

Dunno ...  Kleene or xpon .... Grrrr. *head explodes*

[Kleene Onigiri]

All 3 town-role people (pofa, Akonyl and xGinx) said that they aren't the role in my dream.
That leaves Beastly as Gin and paix672 as Calvados (in my dream). So if the other ones didn't lie, then the possibility of killing a BO is 50% if you vote for Beastly or for paix672. (could be that both are BOs as well, but the 50% is because of the dream etc.)

Anyway, I guess it would be the best to vote for either:
Kleene Onigiri (me)
Beastly
or paix672

You could also vote for xpon. But I'm the only one that knows that I was followed, and it's likely that xpon is Sherry. But it is strange that xpon wasn't killed with the APTX if he really is sherry, and because of that it's possible that he has a lover from the BO. But since my dream has a better chance to be true than the possibility of xpon having a lover, it's up to you if you vote for him or not.