Kogorous Riddle Thread and eworms Deduction Thread

[A.E.]

Okay, there's no need to yell

Spoiler:

Did A killed himself because he thought he was going to die anyway?

No

[Ankor]

I think that would be correct:

Spoiler:

A was blind.
B is surgeon.
He took an operation on his eyes and leaves with bandages on eyes.
The operation was a success, but A didn't knew it.
When he took bandages off the bandages it was for any reason dark (for example he could be on a train inside tunnel or it was at night during power shortage).
A thought that operation was failure and commited suicide

[c-square]

I think that would be correct:

Spoiler:

A was blind.
B is surgeon.
He took an operation on his eyes and leaves with bandages on eyes.
The operation was a success, but A didn't knew it.
When he took bandages off the bandages it was for any reason dark (for example he could be on a train inside tunnel or it was at night during power shortage).
A thought that operation was failure and commited suicide

That works.  I'll wait to hear if it's correct before posting any more questions.

[A.E.]

I think that would be correct:

Spoiler:

A was blind.
B is surgeon.
He took an operation on his eyes and leaves with bandages on eyes.
The operation was a success, but A didn't knew it.
When he took bandages off the bandages it was for any reason dark (for example he could be on a train inside tunnel or it was at night during power shortage).
A thought that operation was failure and commited suicide

Since you were so ridiculously close , I shall count that as a correct answer.

Spoiler: The desired answer was

Person A was blind; he went to person B, who was a surgeon; B operated on A, and it was a successful surgery. A went back on a train, the next morning, and as soon as the train went inside the tunnel, he thought that he had lost his sight again and commited suicide.

I think I'm done here, for now....

[sstimson]

I think that would be correct:

Spoiler:

A was blind.
B is surgeon.
He took an operation on his eyes and leaves with bandages on eyes.
The operation was a success, but A didn't knew it.
When he took bandages off the bandages it was for any reason dark (for example he could be on a train inside tunnel or it was at night during power shortage).
A thought that operation was failure and commited suicide

Since you were so ridiculously close , I shall count that as a correct answer.

Spoiler: The desired answer was

Person A was blind; he went to person B, who was a surgeon; B operated on A, and it was a successful surgery. A went back on a train, the next morning, and as soon as the train went inside the tunnel, he thought that he had lost his sight again and commited suicide.

I think I'm done here, for now....

{spoiler] either way a few question about timing in your riddle ( Yes I know if been solved BUT ... )

It looks like the timing is this:

Blind Guy A goes to Eye Doctor B and Get his EyeSight Back ( So since you answer no money was exchanged, I take it was done for FREE?(1) ) he then should SEE his doctor ( Since you answered he saw him ) He leaves and goes home. He must have arrived home since the riddle says he went back to the Eye Doctor (either to thank or pay him?(2) ) and while on the train ride he thought he lose his sight and then set out to kill himself.

A few(?) questions

(1) Normally Payment must be made up front or is does by insurance.
   (a) So was he insuranced?
   (b) Before the procedure, did he fill out all the necessary forms, or at least give out the necessary information?
   (c) Was this procedure done Pro Bono?
(2) As I mentioned earlier, He must have seen his Doctor.
   (a) Is this true?
(3) You said he took a train home, ( Or I inferred that based on your answers and the riddle )
   (a) Am I right when I inferred He made it home?
   (b) While on the train, did he do any sleeping?
   (c) Did he go anywhere on the train where he could not see the outside?
(4) You said ( or at least the riddle did ) he returned to the Doctor.
   (a) Why?

[THIS IS THE BIG / IMPORTANT ONES]

(5) You (or your answers and the riddle said he killed himself because he thought the eye procedure was a failure. BUT in order for that to be true some of the following also must be true:
(A) He knew nothing about the train ride. ( If he knew about the tunnel during the train ride, he would have not thought the procedure a failure ) Yet he did take this ride at least twice. ( Once going to the doctor, and again coming back ) When he was blind, he would have needed directions to get to the train so he should know about where he started his trip and also he should know about where he ended his trip. He might not have been blind his whole live, and might have seen the mountains he would have to travel through. The point he is this: the tunnel he went through he MUST not know about. It would have to be completely dark, no lights or anyone smoking allowed. No static flash either, completely dark. He could not have known he would have to go through a tunnel. He would have to think that between His start and the Doctor was flat with no mountains requiring a tunnel. He could not hear a thing about either mountains, or the train route including a tunnel. He should not be able to read a map like the ones they have outside train stations the show things like tunnels.
(B) he is not only Blind, but deaf as well and not very smart.

Questions for part (5)
  (a) Did he sleep and wake up in the tunnel?
  (b) I know you said that how he killed self was not important, and yet to me it is very. How long did it take to kill his self?
  (c) Did he die on the train?

As I see it, ( and for fun ) so of your missing points and what REALLY happened

Blind Man A is having an affair with the Doctor's wife. The Doctor learns about it and takes action. First he makes sure that Blind Man A learns he is an Eye Doctor who will Pro Bono an eye procedure for Blind Man A. Blind Man A was not always blind and did know about the tunnel. He would not have killed himself if he woken up in a dark tunnel, because he knew the tunnel was there and soon the stars ( if at night ), or the sun would show the end of the tunnel. The Blind Man A takes the bait and enters the Bad Doctor's trap. He goes home and enjoys again the Good Doctor's ( as he thinks ) wife. But this time the Doctor follows him and see his wife arrive later. He sets up a reason for A to come back to his office ( could be like he forgot something that in really the Doctor stole ). So A takes his normal train back to the doctor. While on the train, the Doctor secretly drugs A and gets him to sleep. ( Remember A does not know the Doctor is on his train ). While A is sleeping, the evil doctor puts eye drops in A's eyes and leaves. He get off before A and goes to train station where A is headed. He meets A at that station and then takes him to where A's body will be found. He then gets A to drink something which drugs him yet again. The Doctor sets up the scene of "A's suicide" He makes sure to set up some spilled acid and eye drops some of the same acid into A's eyes. He then puts the rope around A's head and hangs him.

So as you see all is not what it seems. THIS WAS MURDER!

[eworm]

he then should SEE his doctor ( Since you answered he saw him )

A saw B after the successful operation.

the riddle says he went back to the Eye Doctor (either to thank or pay him?

What? A goes to B (hospital). He becomes happy (after a successful eye operation). A goes back home. On his way he kills himself (in the train). That's it.

So as you see all is not what it seems. THIS WAS MURDER!

Yeah, so this is your answer to the question "Why did A kill himself"? The riddle states it was suicide. Period.

Blind Guy A goes to Eye Doctor B and Get his EyeSight Back ( So since you answer no money was exchanged, I take it was done for FREE?

Do you even read the answered questions??

Spoiler: c-square's

6) Did A give something to B? Yes.

Spoiler: eworm's

3. Is the thing A gave B money? Yes, consequently.

It's Ankor's turn now? My BFR#4 is about 92% done. Just need to add one detail...

[sstimson]

he then should SEE his doctor ( Since you answered he saw him )

A saw B after the successful operation.

the riddle says he went back to the Eye Doctor (either to thank or pay him?)

What? A goes to B (hospital). He becomes happy (after a successful eye operation). A goes back home. On his way he kills himself (in the train). That's it.

Really: Read the Riddle again:

Okay, this riddle has almost the same principle as the last one I posted; there is background information, and you need to find them out.

Person A goes to Person B. Person A then becomes very happy. Person A goes back, and while he's on the way, he kills himself..
Why did person A kill himself?

Note it does not state he goes back home. It says  Person A goes back. Normally in this kind of sentence, the place where the person went is the last placed stated. In this case that would be Person B. Also this should stated he left B and went home, then question. But using either the word returned or back makes it possible that he returned to B.

So as you see all is not what it seems. THIS WAS MURDER!

Yeah, so this is your answer to the question "Why did A kill himself"? The riddle states it was suicide. Period.

Again really? In my earlier message I raised some questions about that Here they are again. Remember that everyone of these questions must be answered Yes for suicide to be possible. Also remember all kinds of cases where suicide turned out to be murder.

(1) Does he know nothing about the area around where he stated and where the Doctor is?
(2) On his trip there, did he talk to no one about the above?
(3) On the trip after the procedure,  he did not see any mountains in the distance?
(4) Does he know nothing about trains and the face that sometimes they go into tunnels?
(5) Did he kill himself before they came out of the tunnel?
(6) Was he always blind?
(7) On the trip back, did he not see the map that are placed outside train stations to help travelers get where they are going?
(8) On just getting his eye sight back, did he decide to not see everything he could and decided  not to wait for another day when he would be more awake and could enjoy more things?
(9) Did he take a planned nap?

If necessary, there are other questions I could add. But this is my point. On the trip there, he should have talked to someone about his trip. n the trip back, if he was tired, he would have waited until he was more awake and then gone on his trip. I would think he would have enjoyed his sight and taken a few sightseeing trips around town. Anyway you look at it, he should have known about the fact that there were mountains in the distance and the possibility of the train going through a tunnel. He might have even been traveling with someone. If he had cried out I can not see, others would have said 'Not to worry. We are just in a tunnel' Jumping to the procedure stopped working. Now I blind for life to me seems to be a giant leap. And even if that were true, why kill him self? It just means he went back to the way things were before. There must be more behind that, then just relosing his eyesight.

Blind Guy A goes to Eye Doctor B and Get his EyeSight Back ( So since you answer no money was exchanged, I take it was done for FREE?

Do you even read the answered questions??

Spoiler: c-square's

6) Did A give something to B? Yes.

Spoiler: eworm's

3. Is the thing A gave B money? Yes, consequently.

The KEY word there is consequently. He did not give the money before the procedure. He gave it after. That ask this question why not before?
One reason is that he did not have it on him before. If so, he needed to go and get it, again a reason for a return trip.



It's Ankor's turn now? My BFR#4 is about 92% done. Just need to add one detail...

[Ankor]

Let it be another riddle with numbers:

Combine numbers (1, 3, 4 and 6), basic arithetic operations (+, -, * and /) and any number of brackets to get 24.
Every number must be used exactly one time.

[eworm]

sstimson, I think there's no point arguing about that. While you are right about some small details - they're still details. I think it was just not that much serious kind of riddle. Though I can't agree with you about the "go back" part. If A is at the B's place and "goes back", he can't go back to B's place he's already at.

*thinking about Ankor's riddle hard*

[sstimson]

The Rules of Algerba state following

x(y-z) = xy -xz

question if x were like (9-6) y was 10 and z was 2

then you get this (9-6)(10-2) = ((9-6)(10)) - ((9-6)(2))
but that second equation has the X factor twice

is that allowed?

[eworm]

sstimson, just write it as (9-6)(10-2) and there are no doubles.

[sstimson]

since you asked I will explain why

3 * 8 = 24

we got a 1 3 4 6 to work with

well 8= 2*4 or (3-1) *4

and 3 = 6/2 or 6/(3-1)

but that as is, is not the answer

[c-square]

Let it be another riddle with numbers:

Combine numbers (1, 3, 4 and 6), basic arithetic operations (+, -, * and /) and any number of brackets to get 24.
Every number must be used exactly one time.

Hmm... Does this count?

Spoiler:

1³*4*6=24

[eworm]

Look here.

Spoiler:

24 = 1*24 or 2*12 or 3*8 or 4*6.

1*24 = 1*(24 made of 3,4 and 6) or (4-3)(24 made of 1 and 6) [both options are impossible]

2*12 = (3-1)(12 made of 4 and 6) or (6-4)(12 made of 1 and 3) or (6/3)(12 made of 1 and 4) [all of those options are impossible]

3*8 = 3*(8 made of 1,4 and 6) or (4-1)(8 made of 3 and 6) or (6-3)(8 made of 1 and 4) [all of those options are impossible]

4*6 = 4*(6 made of 1,3 and 6) or 6*(4 made of 1,3 and 4) [both options are impossible]

Therefore it's not about something * something.
The main factor is probably + or - because if it was /, we'd have to create at least 72 out of 1,4 and 6 and then divide it by 3. It's impossible.

And also:

Spoiler:

24= 23 + 1 or 21 + 3 or 20 + 4 or 18 + 6

You can't create 23 out of 3,4 and 6.
21 out of 1,4 and 6? The closest you'll get is 20 (6-1)*4. Impossible.
20 out of 1,3 and 6? The closest you'll get is 21 (6+1)*3. Impossible.
18 out of 1,3 and 4? The closest you'll get is 16 (1+3)*4. Impossible.

So it's not about adding one of the numbers to something created out of the rest.

And also:

Spoiler:

24 = 25 - 1 or 27 - 3 or 28 - 4 or 30 - 6.

25 out of 3,4 and 6? Impossible.
27 out of 1, 4 and 6? The closest you'll get is 28 = (6+1)*4. Impossible.
28 out of 1,3 and 6? Impossible.
30 out of 1,3 and 4? Impossible.

It's not about removing a number out of something created out of the others either.

I'm running out of ideas here.

Here's everything we can do:

Spoiler:

1 + 3 = 4
1 + 4 = 5
1 + 6 = 7
3 + 4 = 7
3 + 6 = 9
4 + 6 = 10

6 - 1 = 5
6 - 3 = 3
6 - 4 = 2
4 - 1 = 3
4 - 3 = 1
3 - 1 = 2

1 * 6 = 6
1 * 4 = 4
1 * 3 = 3
3 * 4 = 12
3 * 6 = 18
4 * 6 = 24

6/3 = 2

[sstimson]

what about my idea ?


basically being 4*6 with the (3-1)/(3-1) being a one?

we got 1 3 4  and 6. look at it like this with just 1 3 4 can you get 4?

I know you said no way but my turn

1-3/4=1/4, 1+3/4or = 4, 1/3/4=4/3, 1*3/4=3/4
3-1/4=either 2/4 or 1/2; or 2+3/4, 3+1/4 or 4, 3/1/4= 3/4, 3*1/4=3/4
4-1/3= either 3/3 or 1; or 3+2/3, 4+1/3 or =4/3, 4/1/3=4/3, 4*1/3=4/3

that should be about a eighth of the possible permutations