ESPIONAGE: Campaign Round - DETECTIVES AND CIVILIANS WIN!

[shinichi'sapprentice]

But, jokes aside, you're [SA] acting kinda wierd. Not spy-like, but wierd.

I agree. I don't understand why SA doesn't just outright say who he trusts and then vote for someone like MDavid. He was one of the first people to see the tally, so he could have just voted however he pleased back then to support whoever he wanted. No one would've known if he was a civilian or Detective. At this point, we're just having to scramble at the end to cover up for that. Hopefully it will make some sort of sense later.

No. First, I do not like letting everybody know of my vote/s ahead of time as you will see it later anyway. It's not like I'm gonna be APTXed or sumthin'. Second, I'd like to give everyone a chance to choose on their own who they want to give their votes to and not just "oh, this person already got +4 votes, I guess I'll give +4 votes to...". Lastly, I said I'll make sure I'll break any ties with Osaka Detective that may occur. You have my word on that. And no dumytru xD. My votes will be going to the people I want to vote and not "+4 MDavid and +1 dumytru" xD

Now, now... Stopwatch doesn't look like she's gonna tell who she wants to give her votes to. Hopefully, she won't be NOT voting as she will put her own life at risk if she ends up receiving votes less than zero.

If that is all the votes we can get and no more changing is to occur, then I shall now vote. We'll see...

*sneaky post from Stopwatch* *goes to read*

EDIT: *edits in green*

[Fujiwara]

I can give cover votes to both dumytru and Raifuujin - should be quicker that way.

Anyone who comes around before the phase change, please claim one of the following vote changes and send in your updated votes:
1) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid (Covered by Jd-)
2) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid
3) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to dumytru (Covered by Fujiwara)
4) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to Raifuujin (Covered by Fujiwara)
5) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid

[Jd-]

Oh, and Detective, if you're elected to be eliminated next phase, claim your role. Sure, you'll be killed at night, but at least we can switch our lynch onto someone else and we can be fairly sure that both Spies will target the Detective at night to ensure they get killed (would be too risky not to) which means that there will only be two deaths that D/N phase and we're going to be in control of one of them.

Think about it.

They don't even have to "think about it" as if it's entirely new information: The person you wasted so much time disagreeing with (that's me, by the way) already posted an almost identical instruction which you completely looked over (thus confirming that you disagreed with my strategy without actually having read it; not atypical and not surprising, but proof nonetheless that you didn't actually think before disagreeing with what I put forward).

That part was in giant blue letters, even. In fact, with the idea I put forward, they don't even have to outright announce themselves beforehand and sentence themselves to what you expect would be assured death; after they were elected, we'll already know that the information they gave us was true. There are better ways of doing it than assuming (wrongly, by the way) that the Spies are going to fall for that--especially after you posted it for them to see. Leaving it ambiguous is the better way to try to draw the Spies in.

I mean, seriously, if you're going to assume the role of contrarian, at least put forth some sort of effort and, you know, try not to accidentally repeat something the person you're opposing said almost verbatim some 20 hours earlier:

To the Detectives in general:

If you read the posts over today and you feel you are definitely going to be voted out by us, don't take it personally. We're all in a tough situation. However, please do one thing... Make a post indicating that there are certain people you trust. These should be anyone that you have gotten as "NOT a Spy" throughout the game so far.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND: You could die at any time. Please find a way, somehow, to mention people you "trust" that you've discovered are NOT the Spy through your investigations. Qualify it however you have to in your post, but once you die, the living civilians will need your information to have any chance at taking out the Spies. BUT, PLEASE BE CAREFUL NOT TO EXPOSE YOURSELF UNNECESSARILY.

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So, Osaka Detective wasn't involved in today's phase at all. Either she'll be a Detective who didn't share her results, a civilian who just didn't show up/get the chance to show up, or a Spy. No matter what happens, for the first time this round, we actually controlled who was voted out. If we don't do well this phase, maybe we can do better next time.

[Jd-]

Anyone who comes around before the phase change, please claim one of the following vote changes and send in your updated votes:
1) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid (Covered by Jd-)
2) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid
3) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to dumytru (Covered by Fujiwara)
4) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to Raifuujin (Covered by Fujiwara)
5) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid

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Jd- is receiving +4 VOTES from dumytru and +1 VOTE from Jecka
Iwamoto Yuri is receiving +4 VOTES from Jecka and +1 VOTE from Fujiwara
shinichi'sapprentice is receiving +3 VOTES from Jd- and +1 VOTE from Nemomon
Fujiwara is receiving +4 VOTES from MDavid and +1 VOTE from Jd-
MoonRaven is receiving +4 VOTES from Nemomon and +1 VOTE from Jellitto
Jecka is receiving +4 VOTES from Iwamoto Yuri and +1 VOTE from Raifuujin
Jellitto is receiving +4 VOTES from MoonRaven and +1 VOTE from dumytru
Raifuujin is receiving +1 VOTES from Fujiwara and +1 VOTE from Iwamoto Yuri
Nemomon is receiving +4 VOTES from Jellitto and +1 VOTE from MoonRaven
MDavid is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from Jd-
dumytru is receiving +4 VOTES from Raifuujin and +1 VOTE from Fujiwara
Stopwatch is receiving +2 VOTES from Fujiwara and +1 VOTE from MDavid
Osaka Detective should NOT receive any votes for this strategy. Please read here for more information.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

So, just to make sure, the votes look like this..?

dumytru (5)
+4 Raifuujin
+1 Fujiwara

shinichi'sapprentice (4)
+3 Jd-
+1 Nemomon

Fujiwara (5)
+4 MDavid
+1 Jd-

Iwamoto Yuri (5)
+4 Jecka
+1 Fujiwara

MoonRaven (5)
+4 Nemomon
+1 Jellitto

Jd- (5)
+4 dumytru
+1 Jecka

Jellitto (5)
+4 MoonRaven
+1 dumytru

Jecka (5)
+4 Iwamoto Yuri
+1 Raifuujin

Osaka Detective (0)

Raifuujin (2)
+1 Iwamoto Yuri
+1 Fujiwara

Stopwatch (3)
+2 Fujiwara
+1 MDavid

MDavid (1)
+1 Jd-

Nemomon (5)
+4 Jellitto
+1 MoonRaven

...sorry, this is easier to read for my eyes
...total of 50 votes based on public announcements

*sneaky post from Jd-* posting this anyway...

EDIT: Osaka Detective was online by the way about twelve hours ago if I remember correctly... So, I'm just gonna assume that he at least has read or is aware of what is all going on >.>

[Jd-]

That seems right to me, SA.

My updated votes are in; I'll be back at phase change to see what's up. I think we've done what we can for now. For tomorrow, no matter what Osaka Detective turns out to be, let's put all the cards on the table in the early hours and try to settle on some voting targets before the day gets too late. I have a couple of ideas in mind, including one desperate one.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

double post because yeah

I JUST HOPE THAT EVERYONE HAS SENT THEIR VOTES and not just publicly announced who they were voting and then actually forgot to send it. oh gosh...

EDIT: nvm not a double post xD

[Edogawa4869]

Just FYI, guys, there's gonna be a short delay with today's phase change. Something came up that I needed to take care of first. Expect it within the hour.

[Edogawa4869]

Sorry about that delay, guys!



DAY 3 HAS ENDED


dumytru ⇌ +5
Fujiwara ⇌ +5
MoonRaven ⇌ +5
Jellitto ⇌ +5
Nemomon ⇌ +5
shinichi'sapprentice ⇌ +4
Jd- ⇌ +4
Raifuujin ⇌ +3
Stopwatch ⇌ +3
MDavid ⇌ +3
Jecka ⇌ +2
Iwamoto Yuri ⇌ +1
Osaka Detective ⇌ 0

RESULTS: Player Osaka Detective (Civilian) has received the fewest votes and has been eliminated from the game. The next morning, Jd- (Civilian) was found dead.


dumytru ↪ +1 Fujiwara, +4 Raifuujin
shinichi'sapprentice ↪ +3 Jd-, +1 Nemomon
Fujiwara ↪ +1 Jd-, +4 MDavid
Iwamoto Yuri ↪ +1 Fujiwara
MoonRaven ↪ +1 Jellitto, +4 Nemomon
Jd- ↪ +4 dumytru
Jellitto ↪ +1 dumytru, +4 MoonRaven
Jecka ↪ +2 shinichi'sapprentice, +4 Iwamoto Yuri, +1 Raifuujin, -5 Jecka
Osaka Detective ↪ +5 Stopwatch, -5 Osaka Detective
Raifuujin ↪ +1 shinichi'sapprentice, +1 Fujiwara, +1 Iwamoto Yuri
Stopwatch ↪ +2 Fujiwara, +1 MDavid
MDavid ↪ +2 shinichi'sapprentice, +1 Jd-
Nemomon ↪ +1 MoonRaven, +4 Jellitto

[shinichi'sapprentice]

damn! and i was looking forward on what Jd- has to say

thoughts later...

[Iwamoto Yuri]

I was afraid this would happen..... what to do next D:

[MDavid]

I think it's time to clear some things.

Jd- was one of the most helpful and far (the farthest) from being eliminated. That's all good. But you all forgot one thing:
He also had no protection against spies.

How to protect someone who is proactive from the spies?
There is only one way as I see.

Remember when I openly suspected Jd- for this strategy he came up with?
We all know there was no chance that he would lose even bit of his popularity just because of that.
Openly attacking someone like that would only make him and/or his fanbase your enemy.
It makes no sense but I did that.

Do you get it now?
If a spy has even a slight feeling that Jd- might be the other spy, he will not risk wasting his kill attempt on him.

It seems like I was not convincing enough. Now that it's said this definitely won't work in the future.

Please read my posts carefully as I have hinted to many of the above things before.
I think that if not spelling out my every move in advance makes me weird and suspicious, it's not my fault.

[Jecka]

Dammit dammit dammit. I missed the phase. *headdesks so many times*
I really should have sent my votes in ASAP
Good going Jecka >_>

[shinichi'sapprentice]

Below is the comparison of what went on and what should have been the results

To your left was the real results and to your right is what should have happened(with Stopwatch's and Osaka Detective's votes not in consideration yet, though). I tried to make a three way tie with Raifuujin, Stopwatch, and MDavid (assuming everyone who participated in the voting voted who they said they would vote <.<) just in case Osaka Detective receives votes more than the people with the least votes so far. Honestly, I was least expecting that Stopwatch will give a vote to Osaka Detective. What's more surprising is that she gave all her votes to him. I had a feeling Osaka Detective would not vote at all after seeing him online and then he didn't even share a single word to all of us. I was going to be very pissed if he was actually a detective and didn't even say anything at all. With him not reacting at all throughout the phase with what's going on and all about sacrificing him, the suspicion of him being the spy or civilian was getting stronger.

Anyway, Stopwatch, I think you have a lot to say. And Jecka, hello to you, too. If Osaka Detective bothered to send votes, Iwamoto Yuri would have been arrested and my effort to create a tie among the people with the least votes would have gone to waste. What just happened there?

Now, on to the results...

RESULTS: Player Osaka Detective (Civilian) has received the fewest votes and has been eliminated from the game. The next morning, Jd- (Civilian) was found dead.

Jd-'s strategy worked. And what did we get? Here:

If Osaka Detective is a civilian, all we've done is just rule out one possibility and gotten the same result we would have gotten anyway. At least this way we have some sort of path.

Now, back to Day 3's results... Jd-, a civilian, died. The ONLY ONE who was killed! Now, what just happened there... We got some good news and bad news...

BAD NEWS

~Jd- died and now I/we won't be able to know the strategy he was going to talk about this phase. He proved one good thing though. It was possible for civilians and detectives to unite and aim for the common goal that is-- arresting dem spies!

GOOD NEWS

~Only one person was killed! Jd-'s death was really catastrophic since he was the only one so far that has a next move ready for this phase. However, we should not let his efforts go to waste by suddenly just going back to nothing. We have achieved one thing and that is it was possible for us to control the arrests instead of just leaving it to chance! I am still trying to figure out what Jd- was trying to propose for this phase. Hopefully, we'll figure it out or at least hear some new strategies from anyone that will help us rid of dem spies! For now, let's discuss the results.

~Possible reasons as to why there was only one death:
1. One of the spy chose to not kill Day 3 OR wasn't able to send a kill. If the spy chose to not kill, then please I'd like to hear more thoughts from others regarding this. If the spy wasn't able to send a kill, this makes Jecka a lot more suspicious. Aside from Osaka Detective not sending in votes, she was the only one who did so. If one wasn't able to send votes, isn't it also possible that they weren't able to send their kill? Why would a spy choose to not kill hoping that someone was inactive when clearly, everyone was participating actively.

2. One of the spy tried to ensure Osaka Detective's death. Hoping he really was the detective, and also trying to hide the fact that they killed on Day 3 which means they were one of the people who were able to vote. Hence, in this case, not Jecka. Arrests takes place before kills. And with the uncertainty of who Stopwatch will vote, all the more reason to kill Osaka Detective just in case he survives. Or... simply really hoping he was going to be arrested and their kill will be hidden.

3. One of the spy tried to kill another person. And that person, is the other spy! This is dangerous since this one spy is now ahead from all of us since he now knows who his ally is. This then, makes me want to ask this more:

Who do YOU trust?

People have mentioned that I have not answered this question myself. Joking aside, I really did! Check back all my posts and votes and everything and you'll get an answer. If you're thinking why I don't just say it directly, I am thinking about that and maybe I just will to save everyone the trouble. Isn't that right, spy?

Nobody has really shared enough clues aside from Jd-. So, please don't think about that question in bold red as a trap. The detectives might have had some issues with their investigates, I understand that. The question is also not just for detectives but also for civilians so WE CAN HELP THE DETECTIVES HIDE THEIR INVESTIGATIONS SINCE YOU KNOW, NOBODY REALLY HAS MENTIONED SOMETHING AND IF THEY WAIT LATER TO CLUE US ON SOMETHING, IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE.

Probably more thoughts later... Let's discuss y'all!

[shinichi'sapprentice]

so you thought this was my answer to that bloody question in red? nope

these are just my thoughts/notes/whatever so far on everyone after rereading everything from page 1:

dumytru
~voted Togop the day(1) he was killed

Fujiwara
Fujiwara... Thanks to that bloody question in red, I am now starting to think that she is probably not a spy. Or at least not the person who tried to kill Jd-...

I trust Fujiwara and Yuri Iwamoto...

Fujiwara has been in a "vote +1 to the death" agreement with Jd- since early in the game. Jd-, as quoted above, also trusts Fujiwara. Unless Fujiwara is confident enough to control the voting from today up to the end of the game and also doesn't think that anyone else poses a threat against her, then I don't think she killed Jd-. Why would she kill off the person who will ensure her survival(with that +1 vote exchange with him) until we reach the normal lynch voting? Also, if Fujiwara was a spy, why would she still kill Jd- after hearing from him that he trusts her? It would just be a waste of kill since she would already have known that he is not a detective for trusting her. Unless, this is how exactly she wants me to think... EDIT: Also, in Day 2, Kaito Lady, who died that phase, mentioned that she trusts Fujiwara.
~voted Togop the day(1) he was killed
~voted Raiden the day(2) he was killed

Iwamoto Yuri
Just like I just said above. Same reasoning. Unless, this is how exactly she wants me to think...
~voted Kaito Lady the day(2) she was killed

MoonRaven
~voted Togop the day(1) he was killed
~voted Kaito Lady the day(2) she was killed
~hasn't really shared anything very helpful so far

Jellitto
~voted Raiden the day(2) he was killed
~hasn't really shared anything very helpful so far

Jecka
nothing to say at the moment but she needs to read my post before this and explain herself

Raifuujin
~voted Togop the day(1) he was killed
~has been very quiet which is normal for her
~hasn't really shared anything very helpful so far

Stopwatch
~voted Togop the day(1) he was killed
~strongly opposed Jd-'s proposed strategy in Day 3

MDavid
~voted darkest absol the day(1) she was killed
~voted Togop the day(1) he was killed

Nemomon
~voted Kaito Lady the day(2) she was killed
~hasn't really shared anything very helpful so far

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I AM VERY SORRY I AM NOT AS FAST AS Jd- ON SHARING MY THOUGHTS.

At this point, we should be planning what we should be doing for this phase.

...As soon as we stop even ONE Spy, the momentum will be entirely in our favor...

I hope we really did stop one of them.

However, I'd prefer to come up with a better plan to choose the lynch victims starting tomorrow. I have one or two ideas for that myself, but would like to hear what everyone else thinks first.

I'd really like to hear this, Fuji. I have a very dangerous idea in mind but I hope to hear what's yours first before I go through with it. Still have a lot of thinking to do...