Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[KangarooGirl]

And I was allied with hopey and also saw that Uehara is a bit "useless". Or more like, she is too obvious when she tries to make allies. Since she has to ask who's police, otherwise she can't do much :V

Yeah, like the BO knew Uehara was in the game because Kleene and pofa were helping me find pols. I'd have been poisoned early if I were the one who was the one asking around like that, I think. So, thank you both <3

[Abs.]

We were changing the rules so often (or discussing about changing them bit not doing it in the end) I kinda got lost what the most current version of them is...

Usually one just looks at the post with the rules of the current round.

[xpon]

Random question: If Sonoko befriends a healer and her friend is attacked (but doesn't die due to healing himself), does Sonoko see the attacker? Or does the friend actually have to die? (Probably should be actual death, since it's like a compensation for loss of power to learn the attacker, but just wondering if it's come up). And if it was Kobayashi, is Sonoko then injured and unable to heal?

nice question.....

[Schillok]

Random question: If Sonoko befriends a healer and her friend is attacked (but doesn't die due to healing himself), does Sonoko see the attacker? Or does the friend actually have to die? (Probably should be actual death, since it's like a compensation for loss of power to learn the attacker, but just wondering if it's come up). And if it was Kobayashi, is Sonoko then injured and unable to heal?

nice question.....

Just like you expected: Sonoko only learns the identity of the attacker if her friend dies. If he/she stays alive, Sonoko will learn nothing.
Talking of Sonoko, didn't we want to change her a bit.

[Dus]

And if it was Kobayashi, is Sonoko then injured and unable to heal?

Basically, Sonoko doesn't have an ability of her own, she just copies her friend. If said friend can't heal anymore, Sonoko can't heal anymore either.
Logically speaking, she should learn the attacker's identity, it's not like they suddenly become more stealthy, just because their victim doesn't die.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Friendship
User befriends target (works both ways)
- Roles with that action: Sonoko
- Prep. action
- Sonoko chooses a list of players she wants to befriend. (GM tells how many players to chose)
- Sonoko will befriend randomly one of these players. They will become friends and will know the identity of each other.
- Sonoko can befriend travelers. If she befriends a traveler she will start off together with the traveler, and play with the same rules.
- Roles she can't befriend: DB's, Lovers and BO members except Vermouth, [color=red[criminals except Natsuki.[/color]
- If she befriends Vermouth, she will befriend the disguised role and will not know that it's Vermouth. Sonoko will stay as a Townsperson and will not join the BO.
- If Sonoko befriends 1412, she will also know the disguised role and not that he’s 1412 disguised as someone. 1412 has the freedom to tell Sonoko that he's 1412 or not.
- When Sonoko's friend dies because he/she was killed by the BO, she will learn the attacker’s identity. She will not learn the identity when her friend was sniped or killed with the APTX.
- Sonoko can use all the abilities of her friends, unless they are Kid or Vermouth, in which case she won't be able to use Kill or steal.
-If she befriends Yukiko, she will be able to use the abilities of the disguise if Yukiko is also disguised.
-If she befriends a cop, she won't be able to use detention, arrest, or house search
-If her friend dies, she can't use their abilities anymore.
- Sonokos ability > Yumi's ability so Friendship > Lovers
During the prep phase, if Sonoko chooses her friend and Yumi happens to choose the same people as Lovers, then Sonoko’s ability comes first. So the players that got chosen as Best friends and Lovers, will become best friends and not lovers.


So, rule wise:
- you just know the identity when your friend dies. So if attacked and he survives (injured or not), then sonoko won't know the identity (since makoto or ran would know then, in case they protected D:)
- You just can't use the abilities anymore, when your friend dies. So if your friend was tricked or got injured, you can still use it as sonoko.
Afaik calvados can also copy actions from a injured BO.
Rule for calvados just says: "- Will not work on dead or already arrested allies." I wouldn't expand it on injuries IMO. Since they are still there and can "tell calvados how that ability works"

at least that's what the rules actually say

[Schillok]

Yeah, I would go with what Kleene said.
Sonoko should still be able to use the abilities of her friend, no matter if he/she is injured - or suspended, for example. Obviously the "restricted" abilities (for example arrest, detain and house-search) are still forbidden to her. Which reminds me: Will Sonoko be able to use deduction if her BFF used it already? Would her BFF be able to use it if she used it already? (I would say that they can't use deduction until the last murderer was solved.)

[miikosan]

What do you think about the Tequila hinder? Do you think we should make some modifications and changes to it?

[Yurikochan]

DBs should keep their individual abilities, and go back into a group. Since it doesn't do much and would protect the DB better from the BO.

[xpon]

the time different is hard for BO...i think we should allow the result to be posted (not sending actions) but result.

[miikosan]

the time different is hard for BO...i think we should allow the result to be posted (not sending actions) but result.

You mean, as in the results are posted on the BO thread?

That would not be viable, since in the case if there is a BO-Town lover, the BO lover will not be able to fake results to others.

[xpon]

yeah... but.....

[Akonyl]

DBs should keep their individual abilities, and go back into a group. Since it doesn't do much and would protect the DB better from the BO.

wait, how is this different from how it is currently? Were they separated in round 28?

[xpon]

yes....

conia is ayumi... and if we frigten genta instead ayumi.. the ID will success 100%

that is why we learn conan is ayumi

[Akonyl]

oh, that type of separate. I thought she meant they didn't know eachother and stuff. :V

Anyway, I guess, but the % chance rule was pretty much there because it wasn't clear which player the action was really coming from, but with each having their own ability that isn't necessary

though, it's true that they can't swap roles quite as easily now, though neither could a pair of lovers in that same situation with a discombobulator. Not to mention, finding out who ayumi is with that method would require multiple frightenings and you willing to bank on luck.

also, conan=ayumi?