Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Akonyl]

that's called Lovey Dovey

[Kleene Onigiri]

Maybe just "Bone" :V

:x


I don't want to change akai completely just that James FBI leader can be added
Also, Gin is supposed to be able to say that he's akai too

[Conia]

I was about to suggest:
-James as FBI Leader: He will get 2 reports (Randomly chosen) by Jodie, Camel, Kir or Akai. In case of Akai, James will receive only one of his investigations, also chosen randomly.

Also: Kir get S.investigate AND investigate. James only S.investigate, unless we back up on the FBI Leader changes.

[Schillok]

I was about to suggest:
-James as FBI Leader: He will get 2 reports (Randomly chosen) by Jodie, Camel, Kir or Akai. In case of Akai, James will receive only one of his investigations, also chosen randomly.

Also: Kir get S.investigate AND investigate. James only S.investigate, unless we back up on the FBI Leader changes.

If he only gets one result from Akai, he should also only get one result from everyone else. So if Kir is in the game, only either the result of Betray, Investigate OR Special Investigate. Same if anyone of them used the Bow-Tie for sometime. (So in case for Jodie: Either the Observation or the Interrogation or one of the Investigation results if she used that instead).

[Conia]

I was about to suggest:
-James as FBI Leader: He will get 2 reports (Randomly chosen) by Jodie, Camel, Kir or Akai. In case of Akai, James will receive only one of his investigations, also chosen randomly.

Also: Kir get S.investigate AND investigate. James only S.investigate, unless we back up on the FBI Leader changes.

If he only gets one result from Akai, he should also only get one result from everyone else. So if Kir is in the game, only either the result of Betray, Investigate OR Special Investigate. Same if anyone of them used the Bow-Tie for sometime. (So in case for Jodie: Either the Observation or the Interrogation or one of the Investigation results if she used that instead).

Sounds good for me

[pofa]

@The Chianti/Korn thing happening on the game thread: Just because stake-out might be slightly less useful in the direct "gathering info" sense than observe, doesn't mean Korn is a bad role. Korn was an awesome role when I had him. Having stake-out made it very easy to make town alliances. Being a sniper+having a town ability+having revenge is already really good, no matter which ability it is.

A drawback I did notice, being Korn, was that the difference in his items and Takagi/Chiba's are much greater than the difference in Chianti and Jodie's. If we wanted to give him another slight advantage, maybe we could give Takagi glasses (since he's worn shades before).

(That would also make there be a difference between Takagi and Chiba that the BO could actually figure out.)

[Kleene Onigiri]

I don't mind giving takagi glasses Sounds good.

[nomemory]

I don't mind giving takagi glasses Sounds good.

Read that as classes

[Schillok]

I don't think we should give characters items just because they had them at some point in the Manga for one case. By this logic we would have to give Mitsuhiko and Haibara glasses as well, since they used the tracking glasses before. Also pretty much every character wore some kind of headgear at some point.

Stealing is not that much of an issue I think. Especially for KID, who does not know who is BO and who is town.

I really am not sure what we should do about Korn, but Chianti is more useful in almost any situation...
Maybe it is okay though, to have a slightly weaker character. Compared to the other "weaker BOs" (Vodka, Pisco) he still does pretty good. So no immediate need to change him.

[Kleene Onigiri]

But this is a different kind of situation.

You can give a character an item because you want him to have that because you find it cool with that.
Or you want to give him an item in order to balance the game more

[Schillok]

But this is a different kind of situation.

You can give a character an item because you want him to have that because you find it cool with that.
Or you want to give him an item in order to balance the game more

I just don't think it is worth it. Or necessary. The only townie that can steal is KID. That is - at maximum - only 1 steal per night.
Him stealing from Korn AND knowing that he claimed Chiba/Takagi... well, it didn't happen yet. Nor is it very likely. And when it happened, I think it would be okay for the game. Because KID has a hard time approaching someone that he stole items from that do not point on the target being a child or teenager.
In the worst case Korn would get lynched - which is not that bad, considering his revenge. And the BO likely knows who KID is then (or has a good idea who it could be).

[pofa]

But this is a different kind of situation.

You can give a character an item because you want him to have that because you find it cool with that.
Or you want to give him an item in order to balance the game more

I just don't think it is worth it. Or necessary. The only townie that can steal is KID. That is - at maximum - only 1 steal per night.
Him stealing from Korn AND knowing that he claimed Chiba/Takagi... well, it didn't happen yet. Nor is it very likely. And when it happened, I think it would be okay for the game. Because KID has a hard time approaching someone that he stole items from that do not point on the target being a child or teenager.
In the worst case Korn would get lynched - which is not that bad, considering his revenge. And the BO likely knows who KID is then (or has a good idea who it could be).

Well, there is also the other side of the situation--right now there's no way for the BO to distinguish between Takagi and Chiba for APTX.

[Akonyl]

yeah, honestly I think they're fine as it is, after all Bourbon/Okiya hold even different items (gun/headgear vs glasses) than that even though they're supposed to be equal roles as well, and now Akai has an extra ability that Gin doesn't, though those two are supposed to be equal as well.

Well, there is also the other side of the situation--right now there's no way for the BO to distinguish between Takagi and Chiba for APTX.

aside from Bourbon/abduction/townie deaths, but yes, that's true. I sort of like it like that though, as it makes them a little better as stake-out's not among the better police abilities.

[Kleene Onigiri]

@Schillok: there is still the criminal that has steal, right? Afaik it was the one that want's to kill all police? Or a certain person.

yeah, honestly I think they're fine as it is, after all Bourbon/Okiya hold even different items (gun/headgear vs glasses) than that even though they're supposed to be equal roles as well, and now Akai has an extra ability that Gin doesn't, though those two are supposed to be equal as well.

I don't think that's a huuuuge problem for Gin when he want's to look like Akai. He has investigate like akai. Just bone-beak is missing. But there is always BS he can use  to pretend to be Akai.
And usually, as akai, you wouldn't tell someone that you can investigate AND protect. Since it would point you out as Akai. You wouldn't do that when you don't know if the person you talk to is BO or not. You would just do that after you know that the person is definitely town. And for that, Gin can use BS if he wants to pretend to be Akai.

If Gin goes around and tells people he can protect and investigate (like akai), then people would get suspicious about you and think you're Gin :x

[Akonyl]

I don't think that's a huuuuge problem for Gin when he want's to look like Akai. He has investigate like akai. Just bone-beak is missing. But there is always BS he can use  to pretend to be Akai.
And usually, as akai, you wouldn't tell someone that you can investigate AND protect. Since it would point you out as Akai. You wouldn't do that when you don't know if the person you talk to is BO or not. You would just do that after you know that the person is definitely town. And for that, Gin can use BS if he wants to pretend to be Akai.

If Gin goes around and tells people he can protect and investigate (like akai), then people would get suspicious about you and think you're Gin :x

you're right that it's not a huge problem, which is the point I'm makin

I'm just saying that Korn's extra glasses don't need to be fixed, because it's alright for BO which are supposed to "hide" as other characters to have small differences from them, like Bourbon/Okiya and Gin/Akai.