Mafia Round 47: Mafia Idol (Night 2)

[Kleene Onigiri]

Shut up Yuriko, Stop didn't hurt you.

She did, bringing up not pleasant memories, even if intentional or not, she did.

Even if she did, Stop already tried to apologize, but yuriko just doesn't want to forgive anyone or anything.
Stop actually tried to make up with Yuriko. But yuriko doesn't care and isn't respecting Stop at all and even accused and attacked her publicly now. She even drow Stop in such a corer where Stop doesn't want to play FM anymore.
And like Yuri said too, Yuriko is 29 and Stop is 15. Yuriko shouldn't act like a kid.

stop got her info fairly through allying and playing smart, not through cheating.

Stoppy has been getting info out of players because of insisnting to the point of annoying the player and they just reveal info to catch a break. This has happened to many.

Strangely, this never happened to me, and she did try to get info from me.

It's more that Yuriko tried to get info herself. Since she herself PMed me, out of all people, herself!
So don't make it look like stop is the only Mafia player out there that tries to get information, which, is one main point of the game.

Stop, if you enjoy mafia, don't stop playing because of this. You're a good mafia player! Nobody's gonna listen to Yuriko and start killing you N1/lynching you D1 all the time.

*hugs Stoppy*

And like I've said a thousand times already, Yuriko being upset is Yuriko's own fault, nobody else's.

Against my better judgement, I take that you don't know the cause of the problem...

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I agree with PT.
Also, whatever the cause of the problem, no one deserves to be treated like Yuriko treaded Stoppy. Especially when Stop just played the game and never intended to hurt Yuriko's feelings. AND Stopp even apologized, tho I think Yuriko should apologize, not only to Stop.

Against my better judgement, I take that you don't know the cause of the problem...

I saw a good portion of the conversation between Yuriko and Stop the other day, and listened to Yuriko rant about it.

Pretty sure I know what happened.

And hey, maybe instead of blindly defending someone who's causing trouble, maybe you should look at the situation as a whole.

Good portion != Everything, which applies to this case. Mainly, what turned it painful. If I'd be reminding you of Flixy in Round 44, that feeling wouldn't be too far away from what Yuriko felt.

I'll try it to be not too troublesome:

stop got her info fairly through allying and playing smart, not through cheating.

Stoppy has been getting info out of players because of insisnting to the point of annoying the player and they just reveal info to catch a break. This has happened to many.

yeah, but that's stoppy... If Yuriko didn't want to ally with her she should have just said so.

She said it so and ignored her, but Stoppy kept insisting. When Yuriko confirmed Stop's BOness, she went all out fishing for info until it turned painful plus Stop asking publicly on how to ignore someone. There isn't much fairness there, even if it already exceeded the game.

Yuriko herself turned it painful. She PMed me that night too, while she was writing with Stoppy. She told me she wants to annoy Stop and that stop is evil and quoting part of her convo with stop to me. I can post that if you want to make everything so public.
And what triggered that? She was mad because she got tricked by Stoppy, which IS part of the game, and a lot of people were ticked by others before. It's a game. Bu Yuriko takes it personal to a maximum.

@the rest Conia, I get you like your wife, but if she gets this worked up over a game it might be better for her to stop for a while. And siding with her won't help any of this, it'll just make things worse. Same goes for you Kleene and PT, telling Yuriko she's being stupid won't make things better..

If it gets as unfair as Everyone vs Yuriko, I'll make it Everyone vs YuriCon. I don't like this situation at all and wish everyone can get along, but if I have to stand up I will stand up.

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It's not Everyone VS Yuriko. It's Yuriko Vs Everyone else.
We wanted to make up with yuriko, but she just blamed everyone else, especially the ones that were BO this time. So excuse me if I won't take such a childish behaviour where Yuriko wants to be seen as the victim and that no one wanted to make up with her. Because we wanted. But she just blocks off everyone.

[Vylash]

If it gets as unfair as Everyone vs Yuriko, I'll make it Everyone vs YuriCon. I don't like this situation at all and wish everyone can get along, but if I have to stand up I will stand up.

Did it ever occur to you that if it's "everyone vs yuriko" maybe she might be in the wrong? I know you're desperate to blindly defend her and all, but enabling her ridiculous bullshit makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution, maybe you should "stand up" against grown women bullying 15 year old girls, or "stand up" against your lover constantly treating the people that care about her like crap time and time again : V

[Akonyl]

I don't get it either, but this is just silly. If things are getting mean like this, I'm pulling the line.
We've just had enough hateful comments from people.

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^ This is the line

from here on please no comment on who is right or wrong, we should end this fight now before things get ridiculous. Yuriko and stop need to talk this out not the people who pick sides and fight for them.

so again please stop commenting on it, I'm just seriously getting angry from this mess.

just as a heads up, this almost never works once an argument is heated enough to warrant it.

[Iwamoto Yuri]

ok, I see, it's something stoppy should work on then, but you could have also asked her to stop contacting you because you found it annoying. It's not a nice thing to hear that but it's not as harsh.

(if you did, stoppy admitted she does that, and if that's what ticked you of she was very sorry.)

You do care about your games, and, don't get this the hard way (I'm only trying to help), I think things didn't go the way you thought because the rules were different than you thought they were. (but that's just my guess)
As far as I know there weren't mistakes stop made on that part, nor was the GM at fault, gm's are allowed to edit the rules aren't they?

And you should explain why you were hurt, please help us understand your line of thought, cause things are getting ugly this way.

Again, I'm just trying to help, I want to see where things went wrong and find a solution, because DCTP is meant to be a family, and families should talk things out.

[Kleene Onigiri]

You got it wrong yuri. If Yuriko really didn't want to ally Stop, she would have said so.
But she also wanted information herself. She even told Stop that she's going to suicide, and after that PMed me on her own to fish info from me. (guess she thought I'm BO at that time)

I also remember that Yuriko told Stop that she'll try to protect Conia and confuse conia so the attack will go on herself (since she was being protected by aries).
So, really, was Yuriko really not wanting to ally Stop? If yes, why did she tell SO many details to her?

[Iwamoto Yuri]

Kleene, you're not helping

I'm at least trying to solve this while you're telling Conia he's wrong for picking Yuriko's side.

[Kleene Onigiri]

He can pick whatever he wants.

But I won't stand here while Stop is being accepted as the bad guy alone. Because Stoppy didn't do anything wrong, never intended to hurt anyone, and even tried to apologize for hurting her feelings.
So it's yurikos turn to accept the apology and also to accept that she overreacted.

[PT]

Welp, let me just say, I'm officially done with all of this. I think I've spent too much time caring about this entire situation that I shouldn't have even been involved in in the first place.

I'm done dealing with Yuriko's drama and Conia's blind defense of his precious girlfriend, when he can't see that anything she's done over the past six months has been wrong at all. I'm done with this stupid fight over a game, because a grown woman can't see that she's hurting someone half her age.

Stoppy, if you want someone to talk to in general, you can PM me whenever.

This issue no longer concerns me.

[Conia]

Just tell them I know when it's time to walk away, and I'm gone.
I'm tired of saying the same thing a million times
I've explained everything
It's just time to go
Tell Yuri I thank her for trying too, but I'm sticking to my word

Last words for this topic. PMs are still available.

I was away during all the discussion so I'd just like to have my say.
Yuriko had brought up the allying thing in past rounds to me and while I had tried to tone it down, I think after a while I just forgot and ended up pressurising people again . So, just for everyone's info, I was in the wrong there.
The other stuff, like bringing up past rounds was something of a misunderstanding. Not absolutely certain, but I think it was when I brought up when I was KID-Matsumoto and Town all thought I was BO. I think Yuriko took it as something against her personally, though it wasn't intended that way, I promise. Anyway, it hurt her and I apologise again for it. 
Also, I don't have the logs of last time me and Yuriko talked because I was on mibbit and I was too tired to remember to copy-paste and PM myself with it. Besides, I didn't see much reason to at the time. I do however have logs of the other times we've talked between my phone and laptop, but I don't really want anyone using it as 'evidence' for one side or another. That being said, the BO and Conia have seen it anyway so if anyone wants to, they can PM for them, as long as they don't post it elsewhere on the forums...
I don't want a fight here, that's all. It's too late to stop anyone getting hurt, but we should at least try to reduce any hard feelings if possible. I'm sorry to Yuriko (and I really mean it), but if she doesn't want to forgive me, that's her decision. Turning this into 'sides' is just going to make things worse.
Last paragraph sounds a bit contradictory, but I meant more hard feelings between Yuriko and the others than Yuriko and me, if she hates me at this point, I don't think there's anything more I can do to change that. Seriously though, if she leaves for good, I don't think anyone'll be happy...

Tell her I accept it and I'm sorry for saying mean things to her, but yeah it was a big misunderstanding and it was hurtful, because I did what I could to make her feel better, cause it sucks being called out as town, if the graveyards from past rounds were still around, everyone could see it. I'm not coming back, but I'm willing to make up with stop and admit (hopefully) we both did wrong things. I apologize.
And tell her I didn't want you(Conia) involved at all, you did that on your own