Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[kholoudsafir]

Both in this case and in the case in episode 345, Conan didn't tell Haibara about his plan.

Back then, though, Conan didn't predict Haibara's actions and it was only thanks to Ran that she was saved. Even though currently it seems like Conan's team is ahead of the B.O., I don't think this whole operation will go without any screw up.
Another difference is that Haibara wasn't supposed to be in the Vermouth showdown. This time she is there so her life is actually on the line because of this plan.

I hope this is not the case, it would be a shame for Shiho not to play a role in her destiny.

I'm inclined to think that Sherry is far from being as vulnerable as she looks. Okiya has likely briefed her on the Plan (after all, this sort of very curious "gap" between events usually means something important happened that cannot be revealed until later) -- there's no way she could have successfully evaded Okiya, taken the pill, and grabbed adult clothes without him waiting patiently in some corridor.

That is my feeling and I hope that this is the case. As much as I like Ai/shiho as a character, as much as I hate her reactions when it comes to confronting the BO , so it would be a change if she actually take part 

[Misztina]

Maybe he wanted to see how a running person would look like on the corridor and it is importan for his BO plan.

[doitsu]

Well, I have to say even though the character revelations were far from a surprise, Gosho is still playing this really rather well and he keeps the suspense at a really rather high level.

Particularly enjoyed the conversation between Yukiko and Sharon, though I found myself rolling my eyes a little at the 'why fix something that ain't broke' attempt of pretending to get Shiho killed in order for her to get off the BO-radar again. But it was probably just a final big wink regarding the whole Reiha Pass/Akai story.

Also quite interested to see how Gosho is going to 'get rid' of Amuro again and how all of it will be explained to Kogorou and more importantly Ran. I presume once the case is done and dusted he'll head 'off-screen' with Vermouth and Conan will fake a letter or something stating Amuro is leaving Mouri.

Still find the idea of Kid being somewhere on the train rather feasible though part of me doesn't want him to interfere too much - there are already enough characters involved in all of this. Good chance though that Kaito himself and Toruba's murder will be the next big intertwinement when it comes to a new BO-storyline. That's another big link that's been left in the off thus far.

[canyoutakemeback]

I was thinking and came up with this...
Amuro knows how Shiho's mother looks AND seems to hold some grudge against Akai.
So the only connection I could come up with was Akemi.. Since Bourbon is a new member, he would have had contact with lower members of the Organisation like Akemi. He would have learned about Elena and maybe he developed some kind of (love?) intrest for her and when she died, he blaimed Akai for her death. So i still think that he doesn't really want Shiho dead, he wants to use her to lure Akai out. Though it's just a crazy theory because there are still some things that don't make sense, like why he would inform the org about seeing Shiho and Vermy said that he wants her dead..
Hmm.. I'm really interested in the Akai-Amuro relationship..
Really wondering what Gosho has planned for the next few files..

[irishock]

I'm assuming Conan already knows that Akai=Okiya, but does he know that Amuro= Bourbon? He wouldn't have let a BO member so close to the Mouri agency. It seems like Conan's character has "weakened" a bit (which is a good thing), as he almost let Ran find out about his true identity; and Okiya already does.

[kaitokid41]

Well, I have to say even though the character revelations were far from a surprise, Gosho is still playing this really rather well and he keeps the suspense at a really rather high level.

Particularly enjoyed the conversation between Yukiko and Sharon, though I found myself rolling my eyes a little at the 'why fix something that ain't broke' attempt of pretending to get Shiho killed in order for her to get off the BO-radar again. But it was probably just a final big wink regarding the whole Reiha Pass/Akai story.

Also quite interested to see how Gosho is going to 'get rid' of Amuro again and how all of it will be explained to Kogorou and more importantly Ran. I presume once the case is done and dusted he'll head 'off-screen' with Vermouth and Conan will fake a letter or something stating Amuro is leaving Mouri.

Still find the idea of Kid being somewhere on the train rather feasible though part of me doesn't want him to interfere too much - there are already enough characters involved in all of this. Good chance though that Kaito himself and Toruba's murder will be the next big intertwinement when it comes to a new BO-storyline. That's another big link that's been left in the off thus far.

i was thinking about that the whole time, too. Toichi was killed by the BO, then Kaito and Conan will work together. This time, in a major case. Kid was looking like a non-canonical character to me at this point. I enjoy watching him but it seems he's just in the fillers or some random case.

[doitsu]

I'm assuming Conan already knows that Akai=Okiya, but does he know that Amuro= Bourbon? He wouldn't have let a BO member so close to the Mouri agency. It seems like Conan's character has "weakened" a bit (which is a good thing), as he almost let Ran find out about his true identity; and Okiya already does.

Nah, I'm pretty certain Conan was WARY of Amuro (and Sera) from the get-go, both just appeared out of nowhere and then appeared all the time. And he certainly knew about Amuro being Bourbon in advance to the current case due the last two pages or so of the Cabin Trap Case. Akaiya will have informed him about that.

[Conan 48:69]

File 823 ending revealled that Amuro was Bourbon, he knows Sherry and even knows her mother. Did Bourbon's theory is simply over like that? Maybe not.

There is still possible that Okiya is Bourbon. If Amuro is Bourbon, why Amuro using such an amateur way to sneak in Mouri Detective Agency and use Kogoro's computer in File 817, then notices that Kogoro's computer was being hacked by someone and began wondering who did it. It's a loser way to think. Amuro is not the same level as Akai Shuichi, Bourbon, Vermouth, just the level of underling.

In File 823, why do Amuro introduce himself as Bourbon directly to Sherry? To send Sherry to a safe place? Amuro is ordered by real Akai on phone in order to scare Sherry. Real Akai is waiting at Nagoya to ambush Gin and Vodka.

Okiya referred himself and Yukiko as "us" in File 820 Page 7, it's all because Conan tricked Yukiko, tricked his teammates in order to trick enemies, Conan told Yukiko "Okiya is our side, he alwaysl help me during deduction show, so he can be trusted". After Okiya gained trust from Conan, he ensured that his Bourbon's identify did not expose.

Vermouth said to Bourbon “You have gained some trust from the time beingâ€

[Kor]

PS: finally okiya-bourboners met their end

Sadly, apparently some of them refuse to acknowledge the truth.

File 823 ending revealled that Amuro was Bourbon, he knows Sherry and even knows her mother. Did Bourbon's theory is simply over like that? Maybe not.

There is still possible that Okiya is Bourbon. If Amuro is Bourbon, why Amuro using such an amateur way to sneak in Mouri Detective Agency and use Kogoro's computer in File 817, then notices that Kogoro's computer was being hacked by someone and began wondering who did it. It's a loser way to think. Amuro is not the same level as Akai Shuichi, Bourbon, Vermouth, just the level of underling.

In File 823, why do Amuro introduce himself as Bourbon directly to Sherry? To send Sherry to a safe place? Amuro is ordered by real Akai on phone in order to scare Sherry. Real Akai is waiting at Nagoya to ambush Gin and Vodka.

Okiya referred himself and Yukiko as "us" in File 820 Page 7, it's all because Conan tricked Yukiko, tricked his teammates in order to trick enemies, Conan told Yukiko "Okiya is our side, he alwaysl help me during deduction show, so he can be trusted". After Okiya gained trust from Conan, he ensured that his Bourbon's identify did not expose.

Since Bourbon is same level as Vermouth, Bourbon will wait as one's ease for an exhausted enemies, wait for a chance, then capture Sherry when train reached Nagoya.

No, that's just stupid and doesn't make any sense, the bold part especially. You should stop with the wishful thinking and the desperate theories. Accept the conclusion for what it is.

Also a little request for people. Please don't post the same post at both threads.

[El Huesudo II]

Still find the idea of Kid being somewhere on the train rather feasible though part of me doesn't want him to interfere too much - there are already enough characters involved in all of this. Good chance though that Kaito himself and Toruba's murder will be the next big intertwinement when it comes to a new BO-storyline. That's another big link that's been left in the off thus far.

Who knows? Maybe he'll be revealed in the last pages of the arc, just looking at everything that's happening and going "Okay, can anyone explain to me what the hell is going on here? Somebody?".

Just for comic relief.

[unclesporkums]

Spoiler:

The revelation that Okiya is Akai might either be squeezed into the next file, or revealed at the end as another cliffhanger. I suppose the first scenario may seem a bit more likely, as I'm  not sure how long Gosho intends to keep this case going.

[Watson]

I'm imagining there will be a Kid case next, in which there will be a flashback to Kid being on the train in this one.  That, or someone's disguise will be found afterward and it will be referenced as probably being Kid's.

It's interesting seeing how the theories play out.  I'm still hoping Akai was the one who brought in Sera, either fooling her as Okiya or with her knowing he was alive.  Signs point against that but, if she did know, she would do everything she could to conceal it, reacting to anything she saw as if he were dead.  Regardless, I actually think she and Okiya were on the phone with each other.

[ShinRan4ver]

I was thinking and came up with this...
Amuro knows how Shiho's mother looks AND seems to hold some grudge against Akai.
So the only connection I could come up with was Akemi.. Since Bourbon is a new member, he would have had contact with lower members of the Organisation like Akemi. He would have learned about Elena and maybe he developed some kind of (love?) intrest for her and when she died, he blaimed Akai for her death. So i still think that he doesn't really want Shiho dead, he wants to use her to lure Akai out. Though it's just a crazy theory because there are still some things that don't make sense, like why he would inform the org about seeing Shiho and Vermy said that he wants her dead..
Hmm.. I'm really interested in the Akai-Amuro relationship..
Really wondering what Gosho has planned for the next few files..

Bourbon isn't a new member, he was a old member that was not actively operating until he was activated(when Kir informed Jodie about Bourbon, she used the phrase "activated" instead of "introduced/joined/added etc".)

[eva]

YUKIKO PLAN to disguise as shiho is just stupid i mean does she thinks she can fool the org by that ?
even if she a good actress they' ll shoot her when they hear her breath

[Watson]

The idea is that the death would be public enough that the BO wouldn't be able to get close and inspect the body.

Of course, that's what Vermouth thinks the plan was.  There probably is a different one.