Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[mihai]

I wonder though if it was really Vermouth that sent the message to Haibara. Since the address was unknown, it could've been someone else as well(even Akai/Okiya)

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I wonder though if it was really Vermouth that sent the message to Haibara. Since the address was unknown, it could've been someone else as well(even Akai/Okiya)

I'm pretty sure it is Okiya/Hat Lady who did it. Neither Vermouth or Amuro know Haibara's phone number. On the other hand Haibara phoned Yukiko back in the London case. Assuming she has the same number from back then, and the hat lady is Yukiko, then Okiya gets passed her number. Also, given how many times Okiya has been over at Agasa's, it's possible he could have taken a peek at Agasa's phone at some point. Okiya magically being in the right spot to intercept Haibara after driving her out doesn't seem like a coincidence either.

[zek]

I wouldn't put it past her to tease Ai, Vermouth would know it'd make her panic, and that'd expose her far easier for Bourbon.
But it could also be a way to warn her from someone else, Akai himself??.

[Akako]

Vermouth does know Amuro, Sera and Okiya's numbers though. I wonder how she got them.

If Vermouth is indeed Scar Akai #2 too, she also seems to have done enough research into Akai to find out who his relatives are to be so calm about confirming to Sera that Scar Akai is really Sera's Shuu-nii (maybe she even knows his family personally? Though that seems unlikely)

I always wonder how much Vermouth knows about the B.O. ongoings and Conan's situation. Even though Gin seems to have more authority than her, Vermouth is capable of achieving her own goals such as letting Conan go after finding out his real identity - which is probably going to be the downfall of the organisation (Oh, why is this manga called Detective Conan? XD) . Being Boss's favourite also may let her be privy to the Organisation's movements...

Does anyone think that Vermouth used her motto 'A secret makes a woman, woman' when she was friends with Yukiko?    Because, if Yukiko was hat-lady, I think she would say that to Vermouth disguised as Scar Akai #2. Probably to shock Sharon that some random in the train knows her motto. I think it's in character for Yukiko as someone who likes risks (-> her driving skills and participation in the Halloween Party, even though she was not really needed there.) 

Also, am I the only infuriated one when I read that they uploaded the video with Shiho online?  >:(

[User 4869]

Vermouth does know Amuro, Sera and Okiya's numbers though.

If you talking about Amuro, Okiya and Sera seem to on the phone to someone at the same time. Vermouth could only phone one of them and that's Bourbon (Amuro). Then Vermouth don't know Okiya nor Sera's phone number.

BTW either Gin or Kir know Akai's number since they phone him easily in Clash arc (And no FBI beside James know of this=Akai private number, not the organization's (FBI) number). Kir should not know because she suppose to be unconscious all the time (in BO point of view). That's leave Gin who provide her number.


I once curious that will Gosho go as far as explain why each people have other phone number. Judge from Kazuha with Uehara and Scar Akai with Kogoro (if he's Amuro who interest in Kogoro) then Gosho see it important to explain how they got number. If this time it's really Vermouth. Gosho must explain why Vermouth randomly know Haibara number. But if it's Okiya and his hat lady then it's as Chekhov said.

[clipboarD]

Spoiler:

is the scar akai who met the lady in hat, the same as the skar akai who sera met?

[ProfParanoia]

I hope ran isn't used in this case, but her being there seems very Chekov's gunish.

Wholeheartedly agreed. Especially as it was  kinda noteworthy that she ran after Ai and noticed how distressed she was. Ai gripping Ran's shirt caught my attention at once. - But I might be reading too much into this =D =D

You did read the part where I said I don't want her to have a part in this right?

[User 4869]

Spoiler:

is the scar akai who met the lady in hat, the same as the skar akai who sera met?

Why the spoiler tag? Spoiler and English are on the same spot now (File 821) .
Your question. It hard to tell. But This Scar Akai seem shorter than the Akai Ran met.

[clipboarD]

Spoiler:

is the scar akai who met the lady in hat, the same as the skar akai who sera met?

Why the spoiler tag? Spoiler and English are on the same spot now (File 821) .
Your question. It hard to tell. But This Scar Akai seem shorter than the Akai Ran met.

my my, im very sorry for that..
in my opinion, i think those two are different... not unless time flew so fast within one or two frames...

[Wakarimashita]

I hope Ran has a significant role (and Kogoro too). Not the same as in episode 345 but still a significant role.

[Akako]

Vermouth does know Amuro, Sera and Okiya's numbers though.

If you talking about Amuro, Okiya and Sera seem to on the phone to someone at the same time. Vermouth could only phone one of them and that's Bourbon (Amuro). Then Vermouth don't know Okiya nor Sera's phone number.

BTW either Gin or Kir know Akai's number since they phone him easily in Clash arc (And no FBI beside James know of this=Akai private number, not the organization's (FBI) number). Kir should not know because she suppose to be unconscious all the time (in BO point of view). That's leave Gin who provide her number.


I once curious that will Gosho go as far as explain why each people have other phone number. Judge from Kazuha with Uehara and Scar Akai with Kogoro (if he's Amuro who interest in Kogoro) then Gosho see it important to explain how they got number. If this time it's really Vermouth. Gosho must explain why Vermouth randomly know Haibara number. But if it's Okiya and his hat lady then it's as Chekhov said.

*gets shot by logic*

Oh no! Flat pancakes! (I don't think profanity is allowed in the forum :L )
My logic just failed me there.

It was should be: ' Vermouth knows the number of either Amuro, Sera or Okiya'

I apologise if I wrote anything elsewhere that seems to be just as... >.>

Whatever Okiya and Sera seemed to be listening to - it probably wasn't music >.>

[ProfParanoia]

I hope Ran has a significant role (and Kogoro too). Not the same as in episode 345 but still a significant role.

It'd be forcing her into a climax she has no reference in, basically so Ran can hog screen time from the relevant characters.

[Wakarimashita]

I hope Ran has a significant role (and Kogoro too). Not the same as in episode 345 but still a significant role.

It'd be forcing her into a climax she has no reference in, basically so Ran can hog screen time from the relevant characters.

I disagree. I think when it comes to the BO and 'Conan getting his body back' plot, Ran can always be somewhat relevant. It's also perfectly legitimate for the main femalde lead not to be completely left on the side .

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I hope Ran has a significant role (and Kogoro too). Not the same as in episode 345 but still a significant role.

It'd be forcing her into a climax she has no reference in, basically so Ran can hog screen time from the relevant characters.

I disagree. I think when it comes to the BO and 'Conan getting his body back' plot, Ran can always be somewhat relevant. It's also perfectly legitimate for the main femalde lead not to be completely left on the side .

Also Ran reminds people (Shiho and Akai) of Akemi, so that may crop up again and give her a reason to be relevant.

[Zyester]

After all these years, the true identities are about to be uncovered in the coming chapters ?

I'll be sooooo mad if the author somehow still refuses to reveal it all 

So correct me if I missed anything, but the generally agreed true identities are as follows,

Spoiler:

Sera = Akai's sister (Essentially confirmed with last frame of #821)
Okiya = Akai (Following theory Yukiko's help + Voicechanger)
Mystery Woman = Yukiko (Responsible for presence of female detected in Kudo's place)
Amuro = Bourbon = Scar Akai #1 (Makeup from Vermouth, He couldn't get a Voice-changer ? Still waiting for Backstory with Takagi's mentor.)
Scar Akai #2 = Vermouth (This one confuses me. Is Sera pretending to be fooled, and has actually re-conciled with Okiya few chapters back but acting to keep up the pretense that Akai is dead ?)

Also, the crackpots. Just cause I want them to show up.

Spoiler:

Kogoro = Kaito Kid
Bus conductor indirectly hinting Conan = Yusaku.