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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby GinRei » July 16th, 2012, 10:31 am

If they base it on the comics...

[spoiler]I'd assume that Thanos won't be the villain.  When they reformed after the Annihilation Wave, Thanos had already been killed.  However, he should at least be mentioned regardless of what they do, since killing Thanos is the sole reason that Drax exists.  I imagine the villain will be the Phalanx or Annihilus.[/spoiler]
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby mangaluva » July 16th, 2012, 10:46 am

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There is so much YES here that I can't even.

*squee*

Bucky's back and cybernetic! And I wonder what the Dark World is? Helheim? Or maybe Niflheim? I gotta wonder what the Marvelverse Niflheim is like because Jotunheim in the movie was basically exactly like mythological descriptions of Niflheim.

For that matter, I suppose it could be Svartalfaheim. The dwarves that lived there were sometimes referred to as "dark elves".

Or maybe it's all of the above and more, since it's been stated that Thor 2 will be about what's going on in the other realms while Asgard is cut off.

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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby Conan-chandesune » July 16th, 2012, 11:10 am

GinRei wrote:If they base it on the comics...

[spoiler]I'd assume that Thanos won't be the villain.  When they reformed after the Annihilation Wave, Thanos had already been killed.  However, he should at least be mentioned regardless of what they do, since killing Thanos is the sole reason that Drax exists.  I imagine the villain will be the Phalanx or Annihilus.[/spoiler]


Most probably it will be Thanos. If not, it will be Magus or Korvac rather than Annihilus or Phalanx as
1) Annihilus and Phalanx are owned by Fox and Sony in X-men and FF movie franchises.
2)Guardians are usually facing threats to the Universe, not the negaative Zone.
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby GinRei » July 16th, 2012, 11:47 am

There's not really a list of what belongs to what property.  I could see Phalanx being off the table, but Annihilus?  I doubt it.  Besides, while historically he was a Negative Zone guy, he kind of went on a destruction spree in the real universe too.
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Postby Conan-chandesune » July 16th, 2012, 8:17 pm

GinRei wrote:There's not really a list of what belongs to what property.  I could see Phalanx being off the table, but Annihilus?  I doubt it.  Besides, while historically he was a Negative Zone guy, he kind of went on a destruction spree in the real universe too.


Tsk.... He's a Negative Zone guy..... And Guardians have NEVER gone into the negative zone!!
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby GinRei » July 16th, 2012, 10:39 pm

Conan-chandesune wrote:
GinRei wrote:There's not really a list of what belongs to what property.  I could see Phalanx being off the table, but Annihilus?  I doubt it.  Besides, while historically he was a Negative Zone guy, he kind of went on a destruction spree in the real universe too.


Tsk.... He's a Negative Zone guy..... And Guardians have NEVER gone into the negative zone!!


Annihilation.  Read it.
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby Conan-chandesune » July 17th, 2012, 3:45 am

GinRei wrote:
Conan-chandesune wrote:
GinRei wrote:There's not really a list of what belongs to what property.  I could see Phalanx being off the table, but Annihilus?  I doubt it.  Besides, while historically he was a Negative Zone guy, he kind of went on a destruction spree in the real universe too.


Tsk.... He's a Negative Zone guy..... And Guardians have NEVER gone into the negative zone!!


Annihilation.  Read it.


Yeah, But it was a space wide crossover event. Everyone from X men to Avengers have gone into the negative zone, nut that doesnt mean MCU can use it!!
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby mangaluva » July 17th, 2012, 10:14 am

If the Negative Zone isn't specifically affiliated with the X-Men, Spiderman or the like- which as far as I recall it isn't- then Marvel can use it in their movies as and when they like. I'd actually be interested to see it used in the movies. If they do it right- and most of what they've done in the past few years, they've done right- it'll be pretty cool.
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby alicetama » July 17th, 2012, 11:03 am

I'm probably gonna sound real stupid for saying this,  but what's the negative zone? XD
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby Conan-chandesune » July 17th, 2012, 11:23 am

alicetama wrote:I'm probably gonna sound real stupid for saying this,  but what's the negative zone? XD


Dont mind, but pick up a comic once in a while.

I'd recommend Ultimate Spiderman or Batman Earth one as a starting point.

So the Negative Zone is a (fictional) Antimatter counterpart to our Universe. It's in the fantastic four franchise!!

mangaluva wrote:If the Negative Zone isn't specifically affiliated with the X-Men, Spiderman or the like- which as far as I recall it isn't- then Marvel can use it in their movies as and when they like. I'd actually be interested to see it used in the movies. If they do it right- and most of what they've done in the past few years, they've done right- it'll be pretty cool.


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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby alicetama » July 17th, 2012, 11:29 am

I would, if the closest book store wasn't around an hour away and if their manga and comic book section weren't so small. I don't even think they have Marvel, just DC.
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby mangaluva » July 17th, 2012, 11:52 am

Conan-chandesune wrote:
alicetama wrote:I'm probably gonna sound real stupid for saying this,  but what's the negative zone? XD


Dont mind, but pick up a comic once in a while.

I'd recommend Ultimate Spiderman or Batman Earth one as a starting point.

So the Negative Zone is a (fictional) Antimatter counterpart to our Universe. It's in the fantastic four franchise!!

mangaluva wrote:If the Negative Zone isn't specifically affiliated with the X-Men, Spiderman or the like- which as far as I recall it isn't- then Marvel can use it in their movies as and when they like. I'd actually be interested to see it used in the movies. If they do it right- and most of what they've done in the past few years, they've done right- it'll be pretty cool.


It's in the fantastic four franchise!!


But it has cropped up in other books as well. A number of crossovers have featured it, IIRC, and I think at least one of those has lead to the negative zone being mentioned or interacted with by other characters.

Also, basically, it's a location, not a character. If it's not been specifically mentioned as part of the Fantastic Four contract, Marvel can probably use it.

Also, Fantastic Four is a proper noun, so capitalize please. Also, could you maybe stop using excess exclamation marks? It makes everything you post read like it's being squealed by a hyperactive child.

I can't get comic books where I live, either :/ I have to go out to Edinburgh to buy them from Waterstone's or Forbidden Planet, and neither of those actually stock periodicals, only book collections, but are cool but also tend to be upwards of fifteen quid each :/ I've only been able to get scattered ones online. I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't just give in and subscribe to Marvel.com so I can read their archive :/
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby GinRei » July 17th, 2012, 12:16 pm

Conan-chandesune wrote:It's in the fantastic four franchise!!


Unless it's specified in the licensing contract for Fantastic Four, then it doesn't matter.  Are you a member of either side's legal team with intricate knowledge of the contract?  No?  Then stop being so adamant about it.  Yes?  Then please do explain where Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver fall under the contracts.  They're long-standing members of the Avengers, but they've also been in the Brotherhood of Mutants before that, and are Magneto's children.  Where do they fall?
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby Conan-chandesune » July 17th, 2012, 8:14 pm

GinRei wrote:
Conan-chandesune wrote:It's in the fantastic four franchise!!


Unless it's specified in the licensing contract for Fantastic Four, then it doesn't matter.  Are you a member of either side's legal team with intricate knowledge of the contract?  No?  Then stop being so adamant about it.  Yes?  Then please do explain where Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver fall under the contracts.  They're long-standing members of the Avengers, but they've also been in the Brotherhood of Mutants before that, and are Magneto's children.  Where do they fall?


Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be used by Marvel Studios as they are connected to the Avengers. As long as there is no mention of Their relationship with Magneto, or the X-men.
Also, The Negative Zone Can be used by Marvel, but they need Fox's permission acc. to the contract.
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Re: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Postby mangaluva » July 18th, 2012, 11:58 am

Conan-chandesune wrote:
GinRei wrote:
Conan-chandesune wrote:It's in the fantastic four franchise!!


Unless it's specified in the licensing contract for Fantastic Four, then it doesn't matter.  Are you a member of either side's legal team with intricate knowledge of the contract?  No?  Then stop being so adamant about it.  Yes?  Then please do explain where Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver fall under the contracts.  They're long-standing members of the Avengers, but they've also been in the Brotherhood of Mutants before that, and are Magneto's children.  Where do they fall?


Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be used by Marvel Studios as they are connected to the Avengers. As long as there is no mention of Their relationship with Magneto, or the X-men.
Also, The Negative Zone Can be used by Marvel, but they need Fox's permission acc. to the contract.


I really think it's up to Marvel how and when they use it, not Fox. Fox has a pretty tenuous contract on the characters as it is, given that they're having to reboot the F4 again before Marvel takes their toys back.

We're just saying, it's a possibility that you can't debunk unless you're secretly a lawyer for Marvel or Fox, which I highly doubt.

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