Importance of Ran as a character

[sonoci]

*applauds sonoci*

I wouldn't call it something to be applauded xD'

I actually could've been more polite, now that I look over it D:

EDIT: ...please wait while I go change my signature slightly...

[IHKF]

*applauds sonoci*

I wouldn't call it something to be applauded xD'

I actually could've been more polite, now that I look over it D:

EDIT: ...please wait while I go change my signature slightly...

You would've been but you shouldn't have been.

You were polite enough and nice enough and that post is fine the way it is.

You weren't mean but you weren't acting like you were walking on eggshells either.

[sonoci]

You would've been but you shouldn't have been.

You were polite enough and nice enough and that post is fine the way it is.

You weren't mean but you weren't acting like you were walking on eggshells either.

You think so?

I'll take your word on it then \o/

[Vylash]

Yeah, well, if that's what you really think, then reevaluate the whole thing.
What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.
Imagine the series without Ran.
I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

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[angelranchan]

Yeah, well, if that's what you really think, then reevaluate the whole thing.
What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.
Imagine the series without Ran.
I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

calm down hehe!! (look who's talking..)

[doublemoonlight]

Yeah, well, if that's what you really think, then reevaluate the whole thing.
What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.
Imagine the series without Ran.
I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

calm down and try to answer this question logically... WITHOUT any emotion and with actuall proff

[Kleene Onigiri]

Yeah, well, if that's what you really think, then reevaluate the whole thing.
What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.
Imagine the series without Ran.
I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

It's not just Ran. Ran is his reason to stay in JAPAN while all of this is going on instead of traveling over-seas safely with his parents until he can figure it all out but he knows that he has a life and obligations as Shinichi Kudo. He's not returning to Shinichi just to stay with Ran. In fact, if Ran weren't apart of the series, i'm willing to bet you that he would want to get back to being Shinichi JUST as eagerly.

Haibara seemingly has way more relevance to the plot than Ran does, and while I think Ran MAY have a part in it at the end, I think Haibara will turn out to be a far more essential character. She clues him in on the Organization when she first shows up- valuable information he may never have gotten otherwise. And kicking down doors and staying calm while kidnapped don't count as "being brave and kick@$$"... mainly because kicking down a door is kicking down a door and there are many characters (like Kazuha or Eri or Sato) that can do that in the series and staying calm while kidnapped is something that almost everybody has the ability to do in the series. XD

I disagree with this statement: "i'm willing to bet you that he would want to get back to being Shinichi JUST as eagerly"
Because with Ran, he has a "timelimit" (tho there is no time in DC at all actually, lol). Shinichi is pushed and rushes into things because he wants to turn back so he doesn't let Ran wait.
If Ran wouldn't be there or any other lover that doesn't know Conan=Shinichi, he could take his time and wait up and wouldn't rush things and get himself into danger. With Ran, he doesn't have that option.
Also, without Ran, he wouldn't be lonely, since Haibara, Agasa and Heiji know his identity. So it's not like he would be just around kids (DBs) but can act normally/more mature too. Meaning, he wouldn't have to rush when Ran isn't there either, because he's not lonely. He wouldn't have a reason to rush and bring himself and others in danger.

And it depends what you think is "relevance to the plot" IMO. Yes, haibara did create the APTX and was in the BO. So she is relevant to the plot. She also shared information (tho there are clues that she also hides something).
But Ran, tho she isn't/wasn't in the BO, still gave Shinichi important information. That is that Akai is in the FBI for example.
And without Ran, Haibara would have been killed by Vermouth too. So, no Ran = no haibs XD
Habara also protected Ran, hindering her to go home like Kogoro where he almost gos sniped then D:

But IMO, it's a bit silly to ask if a Character is important, and I don't want to sound rude now D:
It's just that you could replace any character and change the story slightly and still have the same plot.
You could make Ran Shinichis sister for example, and her being the reason that Shinichi wants to turn back fast. (but that would be awkward >.>" Since then there would be tons of incest fanfics etc. >..<
My point, any plot/story related info could be given out differently. But Gosho choose to use those characters to bring the information across
Even Yamamura is used to give out plot information :x NUFF SAID!

[IHKF]

I disagree with this statement: "i'm willing to bet you that he would want to get back to being Shinichi JUST as eagerly"
Because with Ran, he has a "timelimit" (tho there is no time in DC at all actually, lol). Shinichi is pushed and rushes into things because he wants to turn back so he doesn't let Ran wait.
If Ran wouldn't be there or any other lover that doesn't know Conan=Shinichi, he could take his time and wait up and wouldn't rush things and get himself into danger. With Ran, he doesn't have that option.
Also, without Ran, he wouldn't be lonely, since Haibara, Agasa and Heiji know his identity. So it's not like he would be just around kids (DBs) but can act normally/more mature too. Meaning, he wouldn't have to rush when Ran isn't there either, because he's not lonely. He wouldn't have a reason to rush and bring himself and others in danger.

And it depends what you think is "relevance to the plot" IMO. Yes, haibara did create the APTX and was in the BO. So she is relevant to the plot. She also shared information (tho there are clues that she also hides something).
But Ran, tho she isn't/wasn't in the BO, still gave Shinichi important information. That is that Akai is in the FBI for example.
And without Ran, Haibara would have been killed by Vermouth too. So, no Ran = no haibs XD
Habara also protected Ran, hindering her to go home like Kogoro where he almost gos sniped then D:

But IMO, it's a bit silly to ask if a Character is important, and I don't want to sound rude now D:
It's just that you could replace any character and change the story slightly and still have the same plot.
You could make Ran Shinichis sister for example, and her being the reason that Shinichi wants to turn back fast. (but that would be awkward >.>" Since then there would be tons of incest fanfics etc. >..<
My point, any plot/story related info could be given out differently. But Gosho choose to use those characters to bring the information across
Even Yamamura is used to give out plot information :x NUFF SAID!

But he still has a timelimit even without Ran there.

He has school to attend to (and highschool is VERY important- college is a thing to reach for after all. XD)

And what? I don't understand how Ran being there would affect his being near the DB's? He does hang out with them because they ARE his friends and all, but keep in mind he also needs them for cover. He still has his parents to protect, along with Hakase and anybody else meaningful to him. He'd still have to talk to them, although he may not be as close to them as he is now.

He probably would have found out about Akai eventually anyway, after all, did'nt Jodie teach at his highschool? (We said Ran, not Sonoko so...) Sonoko may be closer to Shinichi and call him or something over the phone just to catch up every now and then, which means that in this case Ran wouldn't really be needed. XD I'm not saying that Sonoko and Shinichi would still be friends if Ran weren't there, but it's possible and so I don't think that counts. XD

Well that's where my idea of Ran's relevance comes in. I think that MAY have something to do with the end plot, but I don't think it will be ALL THAT important. After all, that was Vermouth and Vermouth alone with that connection to her so far, right? So maybe it will affect Vermouth and the BO or just Vermouth, it's all up to speculation. Which is why I said I think it won't be very relevant- mainly because we haven't gotten any hints that Vermouth has said something to anybody else yet, right? Correct me if I'm wrong on that. XD *Didn't care to see the episode, just watched a couple of clips from it enough to e able to summarize it*

Well let's say we just left everything as it was EXCEPT for Ran. A couple of minor things may change but besides the Vermouth thing I don't see anything all that important that makes her relevant to the plot.

[Kleene Onigiri]

And what? I don't understand how Ran being there would affect his being near the DB's? He does hang out with them because they ARE his friends and all, but keep in mind he also needs them for cover. He still has his parents to protect, along with Hakase and anybody else meaningful to him. He'd still have to talk to them, although he may not be as close to them as he is now.

Uh, I think either I typed or your misread one with/without too much XD
What I meant was: If Ran isn't there AND there wouldn't be the DBs, heiji and co, then Conan would be lonely and would want to turn back fast.
But if Ran isn't there but DBs are there + Heiji etc., then he isn't lonely. Meaning he wouldn't have to rush because he's bored/lonely/doesn't have anyone to talk to.

He probably would have found out about Akai eventually anyway, after all, did'nt Jodie teach at his highschool? (We said Ran, not Sonoko so...) Sonoko may be closer to Shinichi and call him or something over the phone just to catch up every now and then, which means that in this case Ran wouldn't really be needed. XD I'm not saying that Sonoko and Shinichi would still be friends if Ran weren't there, but it's possible and so I don't think that counts. XD

No, Sonoko wouldn't have been able to help or anyone else. Just Ran (if we keep the story not much changed).
Because Shinichi went to New York with Ran, where just Ran encountered Akai together with the FBI. Later, Ran told Conan that she saw Akai together with FBI agents in New York.
So as long as you don't change the story so much as Shinichi taking Sonoko to New York, just Ran would have been able to tell that information.
Also, because it was Ran that covered Haibara, Vermouth didn't shoot them. If it would have been someone else that covered Haibara at that time, Vermouth could have killed both then.
So, there are some things that just the Ran that we know knows/could do that's relevant to the plot.

[IHKF]

And what? I don't understand how Ran being there would affect his being near the DB's? He does hang out with them because they ARE his friends and all, but keep in mind he also needs them for cover. He still has his parents to protect, along with Hakase and anybody else meaningful to him. He'd still have to talk to them, although he may not be as close to them as he is now.

Uh, I think either I typed or your misread one with/without too much XD
What I meant was: If Ran isn't there AND there wouldn't be the DBs, heiji and co, then Conan would be lonely and would want to turn back fast.
But if Ran isn't there but DBs are there + Heiji etc., then he isn't lonely. Meaning he wouldn't have to rush because he's bored/lonely/doesn't have anyone to talk to.

He probably would have found out about Akai eventually anyway, after all, did'nt Jodie teach at his highschool? (We said Ran, not Sonoko so...) Sonoko may be closer to Shinichi and call him or something over the phone just to catch up every now and then, which means that in this case Ran wouldn't really be needed. XD I'm not saying that Sonoko and Shinichi would still be friends if Ran weren't there, but it's possible and so I don't think that counts. XD

No, Sonoko wouldn't have been able to help or anyone else. Just Ran (if we keep the story not much changed).
Because Shinichi went to New York with Ran, where just Ran encountered Akai together with the FBI. Later, Ran told Conan that she saw Akai together with FBI agents in New York.
So as long as you don't change the story so much as Shinichi taking Sonoko to New York, just Ran would have been able to tell that information.
Also, because it was Ran that covered Haibara, Vermouth didn't shoot them. If it would have been someone else that covered Haibara at that time, Vermouth could have killed both then.
So, there are some things that just the Ran that we know knows/could do that's relevant to the plot.

I understand what went wrong there! XD But my point still stands that he has obligations as Shinichi and family and teachers and everything that needs to be taken care of! XD

But isn't he bound to run into him anyways? With the ties to the FBI through his highschool if just through Jodie-sensei he could still learn about Akai, couldn't he? Even Eisuke, possibly... or does he know NOTHING? XD *Hasn't paid much attention to that character*

[ranger]

I love how the first thing I see when I come back to visit General discussion is this thread. 

Just like old times eh Ranger.  Trololol.

lol i like how you mentioned me for this thread..even though I haven't actually contributed to anything at all

[Wakarimashita]

Who did Akemi look like ? Ran.
Who was Jodie's student ? Ran
Who met Akai in NY ? Ran
Who saved Vermouth ? Ran
Who saved Haibara ? Ran
Who brought Eisuke to Kogoro's office ? Ran
How did Eisuke discover Conan's identity ? He threatened to try and flirt with Ran.

Albeit she hasn't been as plot relevant in this arc. However she's unfortunately not the only character in this case.

[IHKF]

Who did Akemi look like ? Ran.

That's just another example of how Gosho LOVES to recycle his characters! XD

[Wakarimashita]

Who did Akemi look like ? Ran.

That's just another example of how Gosho LOVES to recycle his characters! XD

Perhaps. But it's not done randomly. ^^

[IHKF]

Who did Akemi look like ? Ran.

That's just another example of how Gosho LOVES to recycle his characters! XD

Perhaps. But it's not done randomly. ^^

I think he came up with that idea on a whim by thinking "Hmm... it's been a while since I've made a character look like the female protagonist! Let's see... how could I work this out...?" XD I HONESTLY think that's his mind process sometimes! XD