Importance of Ran as a character

[sonoci]

also, love you sonoci <333

Took a while but 

[redangelran]

Parkur you're wrong in that point. Ran is giving out hints for Conan. She is better at recognizing songs, although Conan has a perfect pitch. That's because Conan can recognize certain notes, but Ran has more knowledge about general music, since conan isn't interested in music (if it's not classic).
That helped in the nanatsu no ko case, or some other case with music.
She is also usually a witness, who can give out detailed information about what she saw (which is not something give actually).
And she also has knowledge in other subjects/stuff, like history or in "girl stuff" together with sonoko usually.
She usually also notices the "emotional part" about people that Conan can't see. Like "xyz looks sad, probably because this and that happened..." which gives Conan new clues about a case.

But plot wise, Ran can't be involved much anyway. Since if she would be involved more, she'd be nearer in discovering Conans identity/being targeted by BO. And Gosho doesn't want that currently. Similar to Haibara not being exposed to the BO. Since Gosho also doesn't want that currently.
That's why but, Ran and Haibara, aren't involved much in the "main plot/BO plot".

But if you look at the normal cases, Ran is more involved in them than Haibara, which makes her "more important".
But really, I don#t think you can compare them both equally. One is used more on normal cases, while the other one can be used more on BO cases. Doesn't mean any of them is less important

I love kleene-san...

[kholoudsafir]

Parkur you're wrong in that point. Ran is giving out hints for Conan. She is better at recognizing songs, although Conan has a perfect pitch. That's because Conan can recognize certain notes, but Ran has more knowledge about general music, since conan isn't interested in music (if it's not classic).
That helped in the nanatsu no ko case, or some other case with music.
She is also usually a witness, who can give out detailed information about what she saw (which is not something give actually).
And she also has knowledge in other subjects/stuff, like history or in "girl stuff" together with sonoko usually.
She usually also notices the "emotional part" about people that Conan can't see. Like "xyz looks sad, probably because this and that happened..." which gives Conan new clues about a case.

But plot wise, Ran can't be involved much anyway. Since if she would be involved more, she'd be nearer in discovering Conans identity/being targeted by BO. And Gosho doesn't want that currently. Similar to Haibara not being exposed to the BO. Since Gosho also doesn't want that currently.
That's why but, Ran and Haibara, aren't involved much in the "main plot/BO plot".

But if you look at the normal cases, Ran is more involved in them than Haibara, which makes her "more important".
But really, I don#t think you can compare them both equally. One is used more on normal cases, while the other one can be used more on BO cases. Doesn't mean any of them is less important

I love kleene-san...

You know, she has fans club in the off topic *goes to join*

I like Kleen's discussion not only because she is defending Ran, but because she is of neutral towards characters, for me, her opinions and others who are not Ran's fans or Ran's haters are worthy of reading.

I have to agree with parkur, that some Ai or Ran fans are annoying in the way they express themselves.

[redangelran]

really?
*goes to find it

[Kleene Onigiri]

What the XD
Lol

[sonoci]

I like Kleen's discussion not only because she is defending Ran, but because she is of neutral towards characters, for me, her opinions and others who are not Ran's fans or Ran's haters are worthy of reading.

I have to agree with parkur, that some Ai or Ran fans are annoying in the way they express themselves.

I have to agree towards the italicized part, but at the same time there can be level headed fans that may like something but are willing to say "Yeah, I know there're these weak parts, but I still like it anyway". Basically any argument that's handled politely and has supportive evidence is worth reading to me.

I'd say it's not just Ai or Ran fans, it can be anybody. When fans are annoying, it's not the fandom that's annoying, it's the fans. Because in every group there has to be a few level headed people who are overlooked.

Anywho, I'd say that there really isn't an answer that can be given for the intended question of this thread. Upon further reading into it, importance is a really subjective topic. Depending on your view, something that's 'important' to someone else might not be to another person. For instance person 1 could say "I think Ran is important because she's the driving force for Shinichi" while person 2 could say "I disagree: Shinichi has other driving forces, Ran isn't exactly necessary". The confusing thing is that, really, neither of these opinions is wrong because...opinions can't be wrong. Just like they can't be necessarily right 

So, as my final answer to the question posed: keep watching and decide for yourself. No one else can tell you what to think 

[Sherry86]

Parkur you're wrong in that point. Ran is giving out hints for Conan. She is better at recognizing songs, although Conan has a perfect pitch. That's because Conan can recognize certain notes, but Ran has more knowledge about general music, since conan isn't interested in music (if it's not classic).
That helped in the nanatsu no ko case, or some other case with music.
She is also usually a witness, who can give out detailed information about what she saw (which is not something give actually).
And she also has knowledge in other subjects/stuff, like history or in "girl stuff" together with sonoko usually.
She usually also notices the "emotional part" about people that Conan can't see. Like "xyz looks sad, probably because this and that happened..." which gives Conan new clues about a case.

But plot wise, Ran can't be involved much anyway. Since if she would be involved more, she'd be nearer in discovering Conans identity/being targeted by BO. And Gosho doesn't want that currently. Similar to Haibara not being exposed to the BO. Since Gosho also doesn't want that currently.
That's why but, Ran and Haibara, aren't involved much in the "main plot/BO plot".

But if you look at the normal cases, Ran is more involved in them than Haibara, which makes her "more important".
But really, I don#t think you can compare them both equally. One is used more on normal cases, while the other one can be used more on BO cases. Doesn't mean any of them is less important

I wonder why you bring back Ai to this discussion whereas in page 5 you accused Ai fans always try to change Ran's topic to be Ai's topic.

You know, she has fans club in the off topic *goes to join*

I like Kleen's discussion not only because she is defending Ran, but because she is of neutral towards characters, for me, her opinions and others who are not Ran's fans or Ran's haters are worthy of reading.

I have to agree with parkur, that some Ai or Ran fans are annoying in the way they express themselves.

For me, I prefer Ai fans opinion for Ai and Ran fans opinion for Ran because the people who can see Ai and Ran better are their fans. I'll respect their opinion more than people-who-called-themselves-neutral's opinion. IMO, if someone has the courage to like certain character and say it clearly, they are the best, and if someone has the courage to hate certain character and say it clearly, they are better than someone who called themselves neutral but call X fans or Y fans annoying.

[IHKF]

For me, I prefer Ai fans opinion for Ai and Ran fans opinion for Ran because the people who can see Ai and Ran better are their fans. I'll respect their opinion more than people-who-called-themselves-neutral's opinion. IMO, if someone has the courage to like certain character and say it clearly, they are better than someone who called themselves neutral but said that X fans or Y fans annoying.

I hardly think it takes courage to admit that you take a strong liking to an anime character that has such a large fanbase. I think they're annoying too. They're always bickering all the time over which character is better when in reality they're trying to defend THEMSELVES. XD

People usually like characters because they can relate to them and that means that they:
a. Would like to be that character
b. think that they're exactly like that character
or c. just think that this character is really cool. lol

Well typically these fans will fight using excuses such as "Ran's heart is big!" and "Ran is very strong!" while the other side uses "Ai is more useful" and "Ai is a much cooler character" when in reality, although they may not realize it, they're actually talking about themselves most of the time. THAT is why I strongly dislike mad fans of both. Because it's another case of "I need to feel better about myself". (Granted, it ISN'T just this fandom I have an issue with, it's the same with most fandoms. ) So I DO respect a neutral person more. XD

[kirite]

Sorry, I'm going to be horribly off topic here.  *offers cookies in apology*


*skims what's happening around forum lately*

.....-snort-

This is why in certain other forums,  Ran or Ai fan discussions usually result in immediate thread deletion, or if they persist in hot headedness, permanent ban.  

Not that I mind DCTP not doing this, the discussion here is quite amusing.  It seems whenever we finally come to a decent level of knowledge, understanding, and general chillaxness, it just starts it all over again.  (I can see Nyarl-kun clones, mini-Blinds-kuns and soras-chans all over the place <333.  It makes me strangely happy.)

With that said, have fun everyone and try to learn about communicating with people while you're at it yes?.

Oh, and if you guys aren't having fun I'll POST tones funs for you.  Fun that's friendly for the whole family...though it might leave some mental scars.  

[Sherry86]

For me, I prefer Ai fans opinion for Ai and Ran fans opinion for Ran because the people who can see Ai and Ran better are their fans. I'll respect their opinion more than people-who-called-themselves-neutral's opinion. IMO, if someone has the courage to like certain character and say it clearly, they are better than someone who called themselves neutral but said that X fans or Y fans annoying.

I hardly think it takes courage to admit that you take a strong liking to an anime character that has such a large fanbase. I think they're annoying too. They're always bickering all the time over which character is better when in reality they're trying to defend THEMSELVES.

People usually like characters because they can relate to them and that means that they:
a. Would like to be that character
b. think that they're exactly like that character
or c. just think that this character is really cool.

Well typically these fans will fight using excuses such as Ran's heart is big!" and "Ran is very strong!" while the other side uses "Ai is more useful" and "Ai is a much cooler character" when in reality, although they may not realize it, they're actually talking about themselves most of the time. THAT is why I hate mad fans of both. Because it's another case of "I need to feel better about myself". (Granted, it ISN'T just this fandom I have an issue with, it's the same with most fandoms. ) So I DO respect a neutral person more. XD

Well, it's okay. It's your opinion afterall, XD. But I do believe, to like a certain character and say it clearly need courage because not everyone can do it. And if you feel some X fans or Y fans are annoying, you should ask yourselves why they annoy you because it's possible that actually you're jealous to this type of fans  ;D.
And I still think that someone who called themselves neutral but calling X fans or Y fans annoying are the worse. They don't even have the courage to like or hate certain character and say it clearly but they bash other fans who like or hate certain character.

@kirite
I always have fun and I will do my best to be polite with my post. But I do angry if someone who called themselves neutral calling Ai fans or Ran fans or Gin fans or Anokata fans annoying.

[IHKF]

For me, I prefer Ai fans opinion for Ai and Ran fans opinion for Ran because the people who can see Ai and Ran better are their fans. I'll respect their opinion more than people-who-called-themselves-neutral's opinion. IMO, if someone has the courage to like certain character and say it clearly, they are better than someone who called themselves neutral but said that X fans or Y fans annoying.

I hardly think it takes courage to admit that you take a strong liking to an anime character that has such a large fanbase. I think they're annoying too. They're always bickering all the time over which character is better when in reality they're trying to defend THEMSELVES.

People usually like characters because they can relate to them and that means that they:
a. Would like to be that character
b. think that they're exactly like that character
or c. just think that this character is really cool.

Well typically these fans will fight using excuses such as Ran's heart is big!" and "Ran is very strong!" while the other side uses "Ai is more useful" and "Ai is a much cooler character" when in reality, although they may not realize it, they're actually talking about themselves most of the time. THAT is why I hate mad fans of both. Because it's another case of "I need to feel better about myself". (Granted, it ISN'T just this fandom I have an issue with, it's the same with most fandoms. ) So I DO respect a neutral person more. XD

Well, it's okay. It's your opinion afterall, XD. But I do believe, to like a certain character and say it clearly need courage because not everyone can do it. And if you feel some X fans or Y fans are annoying, you should ask yourselves why they annoy you because it's possible that actually you're jealous to this type of fans  .
And I still think that someone who called themselves neutral but calling X fans or Y fans annoying are the worse. They don't even have the courage to like or hate certain character and say it clearly but they bash other fans who like or hate certain character.

If you have THAT low self esteem that you can't admit that you like character, you need help. XD It isn't that hard a thing to do and you KNOW there will be others backing you up so the courage thing makes no sense to me unless that person clearly has issues with the way they look at themselves. XD

..... I see no reason to be jealous of people who's lives are so boring they have to make themselves into anime characters. XD I find them annoying because they have no confidence to step away and realize that they are not the character. Those types annoy me.

Just because you don't like or hate a character doesn't mean that you don't have courage... it means that the pros and cons you have listed in your head for them are just about equal. It doesn't have anything to do with courage. It's fandom. Everybody will like/dislike/be neutral about something or someone in a series. If you are a member of a fandom and can't bring yourself to openly admit that you like something or dislike something then you need to have a serious talk with yourself. And another reason they're neutral is BECAUSE the fans on either side annoy them and they don't feel like getting into any arguments with overreacting fanboys/girls.

[kirite]

@kirite
I always have fun and I will do my best to be polite with my post. But I do angry if someone who called themselves neutral calling Ai fans or Ran fans or Gin fans or Anokata fans annoying.

I'm glad you have fun, that makes the forum more fun to be around <3.

*gives cookie*

And I'm a troll- I mean RanAi fan myself.  THEY ARE THE BEST COUPLE EVER- *ahem* I mean I'm usually the person who sits back, eats cookies, while Ai fans or Ran fans or Gin fans or Anokata fans argue with lovely gusto <3.  I love debates!  Like water in a river opinions and knowledge should be always flowing- shaping, crashing, and smoothing as it flows.  Butttt since this is not youtube, I will not for example, enjoy crazy fans taking screenshots of characters and writing die all over it going AHAHAH NOW YOU DEAD AHAHA.  That is stupid and pointless and causes me to -10 in my intelligence points ;n;.  

So please, please don't be angry at neutral fans.  Some of us are simply cursed with encountering IDIOTS all the time and can't stand fans in general anymore.  And don't get me started on Mary-Sues.

This has been a public service announcement regarding the plague of neutral fans who just want to enjoy mysteries.

[Vylash]

So please, please don't be angry at neutral fans.  Some of us are simply cursed with encountering IDIOTS all the time and can't stand fans in general anymore. 

This is pretty much my opinion on not only anime fandom, but all fandoms, the neutral fans with good heads on their shoulders are bogged down and overwhelmed by the amount of idiots that plague the internet, it just gets annoying, especially with a show like DC, where the demand for 5 second appearances by whatever crappy character the generic dumbass fan or fangirl has latched onto at the time outshines the demand for good, interesting plot progression, and interesting cases

/rant that could totally be longer

[Sherry86]

@IHKF
It's because what they do doesn't have anything to do with you. That's why I said that maybe you're jealous to them because they annoy you. The one who know you're jealous or not is yourself, not me.

@kirite
That's the point, dctp isn't youtube. So why there're people who said that Ai fans or Ran fans or any other character fans are annoying in dctp?

[Vylash]

@kirite
So why there're people who said that Ai fans or Ran fans or any other character fans are annoying in dctp?

Because it's true no matter where it's said?