Why do so many people hate the Detective Boys?

[Schillok]

@User 4869: Are you seriously comparing Ayumi/Conan to Harry/Lily!? I mean, what!? *headdesk* I don't . . . get it, how . . .?

I'm trying to say "love" doesn't always mean something romantic. Yes, Conan love Ayumi. He love everyone. He love the guy (actually Obassan) who try to shoot Ran.

Which brings up back to the old problem: He will risk his life for everyone, yet expects everyone else to stay safe. From the DBs point of view this switch was not necessary, so they came to the wrong conclusion that Conan wanted the attention all for himself (which he would have gotten by the way if his plan succeeded). Also, their plan was not that dangerous - they never planed on engaging the criminals themselves (like Conan did), all they wanted was a more active role.

The DBs were unlucky that their plan did not work as they expected.

No. they're too arrogant. they failed many time enough. They have other choices, not like Kazuha. Ran, on the other hand, is not the right thing to do. but Ran do that out of love. DB do that out of greed. Ran kind of get herself out and did conribute to Haibara safty.

They did? Which plan of them failed before and endangered everyone because they were not listing to Conan?
Don't count the case with the gold coins and the Italian Mafia: If they had listened to Conan he would have tried to solve the case on his own again and getting killed because he would lack the power to move that bar they were bound to...

If they had succeeded, the police would have arrived normally, rescued Conan and the hostages and they would have taken an (more) important role in the case.

For what? it doesn't make any difference. they even delayd the time police arrive by spent time looking for the culprit. It is for their own glory, right? please answer me.

Maybe we have different things in mind. I was trying to explain why the Detective Boys did what they did, and why it wasn't entirely their fault.
I agree that their plan was a mistake, but a lot of other characters have made dumb decisions that endangered themselves and/or others. Yet, they are not blamed for it.
Examples that come to my mind: Takagi for not destroying Satôs handcuffs, Heiji jumping into the ocean at a place with strong currents, Ran hiding in the trunk of a potential dangerous person (Jodie), Kazuha stabbing Heijis hand and especially Haibara (trying to get herself killed in the bus or running after Conan and Vermouth after she got locked in the basement - WITHOUT a follow-up plan).
Actually, the whole story started because Shinichi was not considering what could have happened when he followed Vodka to his suspicious deal in Tropical Land. And when he stayed in the locker room during the dark footprint case to observe Vodka getting the disc (instead of returning much later to get the tape then) he proved that he did not learn anything.

Bottom line: Almost every character did something stupid throughout the series which endangered themselves or others. Often even worse and for more ridiculous reasons than the DBs hoping for some attention for themselves. So why are only the DB "hated" for it? 

The realization that their own role would just be going to the police and give them the awesome gadget Conan just gave them probably hit them later.

But should they do that? maybe because I'm not a kid anymore I don't understand them.

Again, it was a mistake and they learned from it, right?

Or make them realize that he is better at handling dangerous situations

How? if they going to understand they should have at the moment.

by passing them gadgets that allows them to handle the situation themselves

At least Ai should have the watch by now. But It would kill the suspense. 5 watchs(stun guns) ?

Well, yeah from a story-telling perspective it doesn't work well. On the other hand, the DBs did "gear up" a bit when they got their mobile phones. So at least they now have a easier time contacting the police if they need to.

The one who gets Conan into trouble most is... Conan himself

He get himself out, that's the difference.

Remember the second case? The one where he faced the kidnapper and was unable to do anything against him because he is just a kid. No, he didn't safe himself there. Or getting stabbed, just getting saved by luck?
Conan had enough moments where his own safety was out of his control. While he does well in escaping those situations on his own (much better than anyone else would), there are still moments where he is dependent on getting saved by others (or because he was lucky).

Most "reasons" just seem as some kind of excuse

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I honestly don't like their voice (Ayumi and Genta).

Read the manga then.
Though this again something subjective. Same as hating Heiji because he speaks Osaka-ben or Haibara because of her hair color...

They could be applied to almost any other character, even the famous and popular ones.

They take credits that don't belong to them. who done that. Sonoko and Kogoro do that and they are receive less respect from me that other. But we won't have story if they suspect Conan.

Again, I was talking about something different here. I was saying how those "reasons to hate the DBs" given here could easily be applied to other characters.


If it is just about "fame-stealing": Beside Kogoro and Sonoko, Shinichi and Heiji are also competing "for fame" against each other. Or Takagi and Shiratori in the past to impress Satô-san.
And then there is of course KID (both the original and the current one) who announce his crimes... also for "fame".


I guess in the next list you only want to talk about the bolded ones. I would also find examples for the non-bolded ones (The answer for the first statement would be: Kogoro and Sonoko, who treat Conan worse than he deserves.).

Why does Conan tolerate the "Detective Boys"? Namely Yoshida Ayumi, Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko and Kojima Genta.

- They forced Conan to take them along in the Haunted School Case by threatening to smash a school window. (Vol 16 File 4)

Well, he locked it after entering himself, right? It's another case of "it is fine if I get myself in danger" and "I want all the fame for myself".
Also, countless time Conan has invited himself to tag along with Kogoro when he goes on a case, right? Same with Heiji.
Also sneaking inside Takagi's car during the "13 Million Hostages" case.

Point is: Conan hates being left behind when there is a case. Heiji as well.

- They get annoyed at Conan for just asking which episode of Kamen Yaiba they are watching.

Because they wanted to watch it. Conan also got angry at them when they were trying to talk to him while he was solving a case (while speaking into his bowtie of course, so they couldn't have known they shouldn't have interrupted him).

They constantly blow Conan's cover and/or land him in a difficult position.
- Ayumi tipped the broom in the Haunted Mansion Case, exposing Conan and her position to the woman in the house (Vol 2 File 10)
- Ayumi's hysteria at a stage prop forced the group to stand in for an actor (they incapacitated) in a play. (Vol 9 File 3)
- When Conan was using Dr. Agasa as his "front" in solving a case, they kept talking to Conan, which almost blew his cover. (Vol 13 File 10)
- They blow their own cover when stalking an arsonist, forcing Conan and Ai to come to their rescue. (Vol 27 File 6)

1) Plot device: The plot required Conan to confront the woman at that point. If Ayumi was not with him, he would accidentally exposed himself as well. It was not like Ayumi did it on purpose.
2) They just read a newspaper article of two criminals killing a little girl, who were not caught yet. She wakes up in a car trunk, listens to two guys talking about how they killed a girl and finds money and a head in the dark. Yeah, she had no reason to be hysteric at all...
Now, I agree that hiding in a strangers car trunk is a bad idea in general, though it is probably again a lesson learned for life to her. And it is not like Ran didn't do the same a few volumes later as well - no matter how pure her motives might have been, but with 17 years she should have known better than a 7years old looking for a clever hiding place after he first love helped her escape to hide herself again...
3) Nothing they did on purpose. He is just Conan - it is Agasa who was solving the case right? (At least from their point of view.)
4) Which in part is also their mistake by leaving the kids unattended because they wanted to "solve the case", right? If Conan had been in that car and knew the arsonists face he surely would have done exactly the same as they did: Following him.
While I don't remember the case completely: Didn't the arsonist (or was it the criminal from the case 15 years ago?) catch Takagi as well while he followed the culprit? Can you really blame children of letting themselves caught when a Police Inspector had the same happen to him the very same case?

They incompetence has endangered his life more than half a dozen times. They never listen to Conan's instructions to keep them out of trouble, forcing him to rescue them when they invariably land in hot water.
- Genta assaulted the Italian thieves in the Coded Map of the City case, which ended up having the entire group tied up to be executed. (Vol 4 File 10)
- Genta called Conan on his transmitter despite Conan's instruction NOT to, revealing his position to a murderer. This forced Conan to defend himself against a full grown man with a golf club (Vol 6 File 8)
- Ayumi turned on the lights in the library, which alerted the murderer librarian to their presence. Thus instead of just informing the police they had to fend off a murderer. (Vol 10 File 7)
- Their glory-hogging in the Two-Mix Kidnapping case ended up having the entire group trapped in a burning building by the murderers (Vol 15 File 6), which could have been easily averted if they had listened to Conan and given the tracking glasses to Inspector Megure. (Vol 15 File 5)
- In the first case with Ai, the group insisted on confronting a group of counterfeiters instead of letting the police handle it which resulted in a hostage situation in which Conan nearly got killed. (Vol 18 File 7)
- Genta's excitement/panicked hysteria alerted a gang of murderers during a cave exploration. This ended up getting Conan shot and nearly killed. (Vol 25 File 9)

1) Yeah, right. They SO would have let them go if they had just asked nicely. 
2) Again, leaving them behind while he is doing the dangerous stuff. Double-standard and glory hogging all over. Partially Gentas fault, sure, but he could have given his friends short updates to signal that he is okay. Instead they had him sitting on that tree worrying for him, and him sneaking back to the house without telling them just before sure did not help to make them feel like he was NOT after the fame from finding
Also: He had that case solved already. And if he was unsure he could have observed the body in the chair a while longer. Going in was not necessary.
(The correct solution likely would have been: Calling the police in an adults voice (or as Shinichi, though he wanted to avoid attention that he was still alive at that point), telling them his observations. What did he hope by going into the house again anyway?
3) She is a kid. It was dark, so you turn on the lights, right? Conan and the others should have waited a few more minutes to make sure the librarian really left before getting out of their hiding space. Again, it was Conan not taking the safest route that got them into danger.
4) We got that covered I think. Conan's past history of taking the spotlight (and trying it once again) and making everything seem so easy just played as much a reason as a bad estimation of the DBs about the risks of their plan to get at least a little bit of recognition.
5) Again, not sure about the case anymore, but didn't they try to tell the police but where laughed at about it? Conan running of again to solve everything on his own and emerge as the "hero" once more. Maybe Haibara did not care about them yet at this point, but she still did not make any attempt to stop them or at least not get herself involved also makes me wonder what exactly she was thinking at that moment.
6) And we never had Ran/Sonoko/Kazuha screaming upon seeing a body and drawing attention to herself, right?

[Schillok]

I post this on DCW last year. Just ignore the number 4

But the DB as a whole.
1 Think they are good, run into danger and fail to solve case every time (or is it almost).
2 Try to win over Conan and fail. Still think "The Detective Boy" is so awesome. Actually it's Conan who do most of the work.
3 Rude to Adult. Especially to Agasa and Takagi over their love life. Like they can do better.

4 For certain case.Two Mix. They ignore Conan [s]command[/s] advice to hand traking glass to Megure. Try to locate kidnapper themselve so they can inform police themselve, get caugh, only difference between do as Conan told and do what they do is they will get credit. it did not effect the case in anyway, only put their life and Conan't life in danger. Only retailation they recieve is Conan say "Baka". Two Mix still try to defence them (When police scold them). Why Two mix think they are their savior and not their would-be murderer is beyond me.

5 Another certain case: Battle of the Haunted Warehouse's Treasure: after recive lecture about solve case themself and don't alway rely on Conan. They recruit Heiji to help them in case, Not for solving case but to defeat Conan so he will surrender. Completly miss the point. While Heiji and Conan himself would not accept credit if they didn't solve case themselve (Yuki no onna case).

6.Another case: The Old Blue Castle Investigation Case
Genta behave nicest in this case. He just cilmb a fence into random house which he don't know the owner and would have get shot on particular situation.
Ayumi ignore Haibara warning that she should ran away but went to "save" Haibara. It's not bad to help your new-found friend but how would she handle the threat that Conan, Agasa,Genta,Mitsuhiko,Haibra fall victim to. Isn't it better to ran and summon help?
Mitsuhiko discover Conan's glass and went to save Conan himself without inform Ayumi and Haibara who's with him. that cound result it 1) he get cough, doomed the group fate. 2) Ayumi and/or Haibara get hurt while he's away.

And to be fair
Haibara: After fail to call for help once. Just let the matter drop and never try to call again. But actually I also wonder who she could call. If police don't buy her story. She has no relative and she probably don't know Mouri's number. Maybe she could call Gin "Hey, Gin, It's Sherry, could you pike me up here. I got into some mess.
Conan: Discover secret passage. don't inform anyone, don't try to get out, just say "omoshiroi" (Interesting) and went to explore alone. get caugh first and result it the afromention situation.

1) Actually, most of the time they are trying to help adults. During the many cases which feature them and the police they try to help the officers as witnesses or by taking their own attempts to solve an oddity/code/dying message. Rarely they take any risks during those case, it is just Conan.
(Example: The case where they met Takagi in the jewelers store, where the robber seemed to have jumped to his death after being chased by Takagi and the DBs. Compared to Conan who was risking his neck in that stunt, the DBs might have been a bit too optimistic about their chances to help, but at least they were trying their best WITHOUT ever being in danger.)
If they run into real danger they usually try to get help. When something dangerous happens they are less likely to run into the trouble than for example Conan, Heiji or Kogoro.
During other cases there is no danger in the first place, or at least none that could have been predicted by anyone. This usually happens during treasure hunts or when solving riddles the Professor prepared for them.
Also, "fail to solve a case" sounds pretty harsh. The truth is, that usually Conan is just much faster, or that they have given up at some point when it became too complicated to follow. Often they actually contributed to the solution, by finding a clue, mentioning something that inspires Conan, remembering certain details or by actually really saying out part of the solution aloud (after Conan had come to the same conclusion of course, we can't have him beaten by three kids, can we?).

2) They have realized how hard it is to "beat Conan" by that point. They know that he does most of the work.
Though, as I said before: They are working hard to contribute to the success, and you shouldn't underestimate the legwork that they sometimes do (on Conans orders) to make a thorough search of a certain area or to question a large number of possible witnesses/suspects and deliver the results back to Conan reliably.
But... do they really have to accept this role? What is so bad in trying to be "better" than Conan for a change. It is not like Conan and Heiji are not competing with each other either, right?

3) Rude? I recall them trying to help both of them. Maybe they laugh a bit at it (love is still something new to them), but the majority of the case they were trying to help them "find their place of memory" or try to help in confessing (either by getting back a ring, a brooch or keeping their co-workers out of the room). Otherwise, their rudeness towards adults doesn't strike me as anything above the average.
And it is not like Conan (or Haibara) are angels in that respect either.

4) Ignored, because it was answered already.

5 Another certain case: Battle of the Haunted Warehouse's Treasure: after recive lecture about solve case themself and don't alway rely on Conan. They recruit Heiji to help them in case, Not for solving case but to defeat Conan so he will surrender. Completly miss the point. While Heiji and Conan himself would not accept credit if they didn't solve case themselve (Yuki no onna case).

Now, here I have to strongly disagree with what you wrote. It was Heiji who approached them. It was Heiji who suggested the whole plan, he recruited them to beat Conan. I doubt he was thinking much about the kids when he saw the chance of finally beating Conan.

Spoiler:

Yes, Ayumi, Mitsuhiko and Genta could have tried to solve the case on their own, but in the past they have been unable to do so. Despite trying it often. They are well aware that Conan is better than all three of them together in solving mysteries.
As nice as it would have been to beat him with their own powers, they knew they had little chance in doing so. So, when that famous high-school detective suggests a plan that would at least fulfill half of their wish - wanting to see Conan speechless - how could they have refused? Especially after being shown proof that he was already able to do so during the past?
Heiji tricked them into letting him help them. And they didn't mind completing their goals one step after another. Leave Conan speechless today. Doing so on their own power another time.
Which is actually a smart decision. Conan already knows everything (seriously!). They still have to learn a lot, but they will catch up eventually. If things go as planed they have more than 5 years in elementary school.


6) @Genta: Weapons aren't that common in japan. Not for civilians as far as I know. Sure, there was the chance of getting scolded, but the "Trespassers will be shot" does not apply.
@Ayumi: Getting help where? From who? Why wasn't help called before anyway? But also like you said: Why not help her friend who risked her own life for her and the others? This is one of the points I love in Ayumi most: Being courageous despite her fear, because it is the "right thing" to do. Even if it is not the "safe thing". Just like Conan-kun does.
@Mitsuhiko: How can he protect Haibara and Ayumi, if Conan, Agasa and Genta - all who are smarter and/or stronger than him - got caught as well? He was presented the chance to safe the missing people. Not to forget: He was also wise enough to avoid the trap laid out for him and used the glasses correctly. Despite the case focusing on Haibara and Ayumi, and despite Conan presenting the solution: It was him who saved the day. Even though he got little credit for it.

No in this case all of the Detective Boys were doing the right things to make sure it ended well.

[User 4869]

OK can't resist

Which brings up back to the old problem: He will risk his life for everyone, yet expects everyone else to stay safe.

How many time I have to say that ONLY DB do that for their own glory and the other do that because thier love.

They did? Which plan of them failed before and endangered everyone because they were not listing to Conan?

Sorry. I usaully skip their cases and can't arrange case in order of appearance. Two-mix case is pretty early. I though there are some before that.

Examples that come to my mind: .......

Takagi,Heiji Ran get out on their own (sort of). Kazuha and Haibara are sacrified for other so I respect them. The Haibara in ep345 is prety dumb, why would Vermouth don't just kill her is beyondme. But the face that Vermouth agree on her condition justified this.
Shinichi- I did say I didn't like him for that. He just don't do that so often. Or do tha but get himself out of trouble

So why are only the DB "hated" for it?  

They do it more often than other, they usaully don't get out of problem on their own. they have nothing to appeal to those who hate them. (In other word, they did not jump through storm of bullet or put soccor ball on someone face.)

there are still moments where he is dependent on getting saved by others (or because he was lucky).

Of cause there are. but how many time DB save themselve.
"it was a mistake and they learned from it, right?"
In later cases, Conan have gadget to deal with culprit So he have plan. So it justified?

Read the manga then.

I love Shuichi and Haibara voice.

Though this again something subjective. Same as hating Heiji because he speaks Osaka-ben or Haibara because of her hair color...

I'm fine and understand if someone is hated because of that. Do you? I don't try to argue that Haibara hair color is the most beautiful thing in the world. The point that I try to tell you people who don't like detective boy don't have only the same reason as in "atmosphere"

If it is just about "fame-stealing": Beside Kogoro and Sonoko, Shinichi and Heiji are also competing "for fame" against each other. Or Takagi and Shiratori in the past to impress Satô-san.

And then there is of course KID (both the original and the current one) who announce his crimes... also for "fame".

Please, there are people who steal fame and people who get fame they deserve.

They forced Conan to take them along in the Haunted School Case by threatening to smash a school window.

I haven't watched this. But I think the point of the statement is the "threatening to smash a school window" quite agressive kids.

- They get annoyed at Conan for just asking which episode of Kamen Yaiba they are watching.

Solving case is more important matter in my opinion.

1) Plot device: The plot required Conan to confront the woman at that point....

So ALL Conan action justified. Conan's move bring the story forward. The outcome is satisfied. DB just make thing worse.

2. - Ayumi's hysteria at a stage prop forced....

I fine with that and don't blame her.

3. When Conan was using Dr. Agasa as his "front"...

The point of that thread is why Conan tolarate DB. There're little to none reason for audiance to dislike that. But Conan should avoide it by stay away from them?

4) Which in part is also their mistake by leaving the kids unattended because they wanted to "solve the case", right? If Conan had been in that car and knew the arsonists face he surely would have done exactly the same as they did: Following him.
While I don't remember the case completely: Didn't the arsonist (or was it the criminal from the case 15 years ago?) catch Takagi as well while he followed the culprit? Can you really blame children of letting themselves caught when a Police Inspector had the same happen to him the very same case?

Takagi is unaware that's he's in danger. DB know they face danger. Takagi get himself out of it. DB's not. This case is follow the Two mix case right? They learnt?. It is not Conan's responsibility to face problem that come because people won't listen to him.

1) Yeah, right. They SO would have let them go if they had just asked nicely.  

You're right. So I did not make them bold. Maybe Genta did not realize the situation and still provoke them is annoying to some.
2

) Again, leaving them behind while he is doing the dangerous stuff

Didn't watched this. But this is the first or last case they act stupid right?. They did not learn, or slow learner.

3 Ayumi turned on the lights in the library,...

Didn't watched this.
Whose action bring danger to them. If Conan isn't exist there won't be this case. If the library don't exist we don't have this case. But whose action directly bring them danger.

4 We got that covered

yes

5.  In the first case with Ai,

IIRC . They were told to stay with the police. Conan is out scounting which of cause dangerous. But DB just walk in on the front door, openly, just plain stupid. And what with Haibara really? what did she think? but again, She fire a gun and contribute to their safty. DB-none.

6) And we never had Ran/Sonoko/Kazuha screaming upon seeing a body and drawing attention to herself, right?

Did they get themself in danger also. They even can protect themself. The point is Genta alert the murderer.


Those above reply to your first post.



1 Conan is just much faster, or that they have given up at some point when it became too complicated to follow.
Mean they can't right?
Often they actually contributed to the solution, by finding a clue,
Conan could do that
mentioning something that inspires Conan, remembering certain details or by actually really saying out part of the solution aloud
It literally device. anyone around would have done that, not just DB

2 I refer to Battle of the Haunted Warehouse's Treasure case here.
3 Rude mean Genta's impersonation of Agasa in the end of Fusae case. Or embaress takagi by say what's in his mind. Or spoil the chance they have together. (Remember the end of Takagi transfer case. Takagi about to say something, they should get away and give him the chance)
4 pass
5 I can't stand this plot idea so did not watch it. Therefor miss the fact that Heiji recruit them. But did they cheat?
6 "will be shot" is not the point. The point is being intruder. Why? I did say he acting nicest.
@Ayumi: Ran away as far as she can, if lucky she would found someone. But she can't help someone with running back and almost blow Haibara cover. Haibara said Ayumi won't have much chance or something along the line. But it better to try to help without plan
@Mitsuhiko if he think he alright with finding Conan. If he think he will go to safety. Shouldn't he bring the girls to safety with them. Don't let the girls in the dark just like you say Conan did. I agree this case Mitsuhiko save the they, but please bring those two with you.


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[Kleene Onigiri]

Which brings up back to the old problem: He will risk his life for everyone, yet expects everyone else to stay safe.

How many time I have to say that ONLY DB do that for their own glory and the other do that because thier love.

They did? Which plan of them failed before and endangered everyone because they were not listing to Conan?

Sorry. I usaully skip their cases and can't arrange case in order of appearance. Two-mix case is pretty early. I though there are some before that.

Funny. You skip a lot of DB cases but you can say that ONLY their actions are purely done for their own glory?
Isn't that a bit... contradicting? :x

How can you tell when you don't even watch most DB cases? :p

[User 4869]

Not purely but generally. As talk above, Ayumi's action in Old castle case is not for her own glory. (But not so appropriated IMP) But other characters, at least in the example we talk about, not for their glory. "Only" mean only DB do that, not DB do "Only" that. And said glory is not deserved in some case. (They announce they're detective boy but the credit for DB usually go to Conan)

How Do I know they act for their own glory? "Synopsis" just like the battle of warehouse case. I only want to watch "whereabout of the disgrace charm. But since battle case explain how Heiji get in Tokyo. I read its synopsis"
Or skim through some cases. Or read other's statement like in the quote I bring.

Are you going to tell me they don't act for their own glory in the cases I did not watch. Possible. but their action as I mention is still there.

Are you going to punches me like Akonyl?

[Dwalin]

@ User 4869
You say they do things for their own glory. But what about Conan provoking them into that? They may think as well he does things for HIS own glory, since he never bothers to make up an explanation why should they always stay behind.

[User 4869]

They can think Conan want to dominate his glory but they're wrong. That's why I'm angry. DB are hard to reason with. What explanation can he give? I'm Kudo Shinichi?

By DC standard. Even you have full reason to murder, it still bad. Compare to this. They have reason to do that, but I still get annoyed.

[Dwalin]

As I have already said, he could at least be honest by stopping to pretend he is their friend and by saying he doesn't want them around. That would be rude, but honest. Instead he continuously deceives them and makes them think they are of some importance to him as friends.
And, to be honest, I think he would have even less problems if instead of always trying to get them out of the way he taught them something. And don't tell me he can't, in a cartoon everything is possible, he just doesn't want to.

[User 4869]

It's only me who did not want them around. Not Conan.

This is Detective Conan so Conan have to take the spotlight. Sure he can teach them. We will have 5 Conans and lessers Conans will going out to solve case because they're confident. He did taught them. Like when Mitsuhiko able to do first aid for Haibara's ankle because he suffer that before. But How Conan will know the skill they going to use. Deduction is partly gift otherwise everyone would be on the same level.


Edit: is 2 in the morning here. Goodnight, sorry.

[Stopwatch]

Deduction is partly gift otherwise everyone would be on the same level.

I think a small part of it is gift but much of it can be taught. Shinichi, for example, is probably so into mysteries and good at deduction because of his father's influence and his upbringing (and his dramatic tendencies come from Yukiko )
And I agree with most of Schillok's points on the subject of the DBs (apart from the fact that AyuCon isn't my favourite pairing).

[Kleene Onigiri]

Not purely but generally. As talk above, Ayumi's action in Old castle case is not for her own glory. (But not so appropriated IMP) But other characters, at least in the example we talk about, not for their glory. "Only" mean only DB do that, not DB do "Only" that. And said glory is not deserved in some case. (They announce they're detective boy but the credit for DB usually go to Conan)

How Do I know they act for their own glory? "Synopsis" just like the battle of warehouse case. I only want to watch "whereabout of the disgrace charm. But since battle case explain how Heiji get in Tokyo. I read its synopsis"
Or skim through some cases. Or read other's statement like in the quote I bring.

Are you going to tell me they don't act for their own glory in the cases I did not watch. Possible. but their action as I mention is still there.

Are you going to punches me like Akonyl?

I only punch Akonyl <3

Well, you're wrong with the "ONLY DBs act for their own glory". Shinichi did something like that too. During the Dark Knight performance. Kogoro and even Heiji was there. But he had to take off his mask and solve the crime himself. Did he do that out of love? Of course. He loves himself a lot :x
Point is, he didn't have to to that in that case, but still did it and got himself (and also others) in danger by being revealed by vermouth.

And it's not like Conan does the only work (he did mainly at the beginning of the series tho). He also includes the other DBs into the investigation. The DBs did, more than once, help him find information (they split up and questioned other people).
And it's actually in Conans favour that they're together the Detective Boys instead of just Conan getting all the glory. Because otherwise, he'll get too much attention to himself (tho he already get's too much considering the BO could notice him)

[Schillok]

Which brings up back to the old problem: He will risk his life for everyone, yet expects everyone else to stay safe.

How many time I have to say that ONLY DB do that for their own glory and the other do that because thier love.

I don't think Conans "love for solving cases" counts any more than the DBs "love for attention". Coming back to the case with the two brothers: Conan did something dangerous (entering the house at night), not to save anyone but solve the case.
Also, while the motivation of "getting acknowledged" might not be the most noble motivation out there, it is something we all can relate to. Again, it was a mistake.
However, their obsession with fame decreased through the series (among some other traits they showed early), so it suggests they were actually learning something.
While Conan is still endangering himself and the people around him regularly. 

Takagi,Heiji Ran get out on their own (sort of). Kazuha and Haibara are sacrified for other so I respect them. The Haibara in ep345 is prety dumb, why would Vermouth don't just kill her is beyondme. But the face that Vermouth agree on her condition justified this.
Shinichi- I did say I didn't like him for that. He just don't do that so often. Or do tha but get himself out of trouble

I don't see much of a difference in "because Conan had the earrings with him to call help (or however they managed to escape, I forgot) and "he had luck" (because the lattice fell down before he got unconscious, because the currents did not carry him out in the ocean or because she got away because she saved the criminals life a year ago).
Also, despite the claims: The DBs don't get into serious trouble THAT often. At least not into serious trouble because of mistakes they made. Usually they are just at the wrong place at the wrong time, something bad happens... and they are right in the middle of it.

So why are only the DB "hated" for it? 

They do it more often than other, they usaully don't get out of problem on their own. they have nothing to appeal to those who hate them. (In other word, they did not jump through storm of bullet or put soccor ball on someone face.)

And the times they actually manage to do it they are still getting criticized on. Poor kids...

there are still moments where he is dependent on getting saved by others (or because he was lucky).

Of cause there are. but how many time DB save themselve.
"it was a mistake and they learned from it, right?"
In later cases, Conan have gadget to deal with culprit So he have plan. So it justified?

More often than they get credit for. 
Even in the most recent Anime case they managed to get out of the trouble themselves halfway - they freed Conan and Haibara which would have given them a serious chance.
During the bank robbery case as well. During the case with the hunters and the bears. The case in the cave. The blue castle.
Yes, sure - they relied on Conans and/or Haibaras help to do it. However, that should be excusable, after all they are part of the Detective Boys. And because Conan is the main character so he rescues everyone.
Otherwise there should be a lot of "hate" towards the police as well who evidently are horrible at their job without having Kogoro (Conan) solve teh cases for them.

If it is just about "fame-stealing": Beside Kogoro and Sonoko, Shinichi and Heiji are also competing "for fame" against each other. Or Takagi and Shiratori in the past to impress Satô-san.

And then there is of course KID (both the original and the current one) who announce his crimes... also for "fame".

Please, there are people who steal fame and people who get fame they deserve.

Stealing fame? When they tried to follow Conan and alert the police afterwards they were just trying to prevent that. They were trying to earn their fame, just like the other characters I mentioned there.
It is just Conan hogging everything of it so they have to make their own role in a cases solution more important. Occasionally.

They forced Conan to take them along in the Haunted School Case by threatening to smash a school window.

I haven't watched this. But I think the point of the statement is the "threatening to smash a school window" quite agressive kids.

You have missed the humorous undertone of the scene.
Just like Ran is no violent lunatic because she cracks a solid wall on occasion (during the first episode for example). With her bare fist. Still, we know that these moments are not supposed to be taken seriously.
(How often is Ran blamed because she is intimidating Conan/Shinichi with her strength?)

- They get annoyed at Conan for just asking which episode of Kamen Yaiba they are watching.

Solving case is more important matter in my opinion.

In both cases they were interrupted from something they liked doing.
Also, in the same case it was again the DBs who got Conan on the right idea to solve the case because they were doing exactly that.

1) Plot device: The plot required Conan to confront the woman at that point....

So ALL Conan action justified. Conan's move bring the story forward. The outcome is satisfied. DB just make thing worse.

Mhh? Again, it was an accident. She didn't mean to do it. From a story-telling perspective it was required for the climax and to solve the case quickly. Otherwise things would just have dragged on.
If it is about "why does Conan still hang out with them after Ayumi got him into that much trouble" the solution is simple: They helped him find a case he did not know about it existed. And we all know that Conan just loves cases. So despite Ayumi's little screw-up (remember, it was the bucket that fell down because Conan hit the locker  ) the net result was a positive one. And it had a "good ending", so why worry about it too much?

3. When Conan was using Dr. Agasa as his "front"...

The point of that thread is why Conan tolarate DB. There're little to none reason for audiance to dislike that. But Conan should avoide it by stay away from them?

He should avoid them because they occasionally interfere with him solving a case, because they don't know it is actually him solving everything? Again, him being at the scene of the crime is usually because he was doing something together with them. Would he really have visited the film studio if it weren't for the Detective Boys?
Also, there are cases where they are really useful in solving a case. Like mentioned before, these are cases that require a lot of leg-work (example: Bombs at the Parade), observing several spots or persons at once, or for a complicated sequence of actions that he just can't do alone (Bank robbery case).

Them being "camouflage" is just an added benefit. Also, I think they have really grown to him. Enough to make him nostalgic for a moment during the library case, and a lot of time has passed since then. 
Also... what else is he supposed to do with his free time then? The Detective Boys share a lot of his hobbies (solving cases and soccer in particular), it is not like he has nothing he can talk with them about. Actually, as Shinichi he didn't have that many friends. He had Ran, but then? Sonoko is only connected to him because they are both Rans friend, and so far there was not a single person mentioned that he had regular contact with beside that.
So the DBs might be only "true friends" since a while. Why leave them and be alone again?   

4) Which in part is also their mistake by leaving the kids unattended because they wanted to "solve the case", right? If Conan had been in that car and knew the arsonists face he surely would have done exactly the same as they did: Following him.
While I don't remember the case completely: Didn't the arsonist (or was it the criminal from the case 15 years ago?) catch Takagi as well while he followed the culprit? Can you really blame children of letting themselves caught when a Police Inspector had the same happen to him the very same case?

Takagi is unaware that's he's in danger. DB know they face danger. Takagi get himself out of it. DB's not.

Should they have let the arsonist escape? What if someone really got killed this time and they had the chance to stop him - but didn't? Wouldn't their role model (Conan) have done the same? Also, they knew that Conan would look for them if they weren't in the car and they knew about the glasses and their badges. They were relatively safe.
Again, they overestimated themselves a bit. (Because with Conan it always seems so easy.)

This case is follow the Two mix case right? They learnt?. It is not Conan's responsibility to face problem that come because people won't listen to him.

Yes, this case had Haibara in it, which the Two Mix case didn't.
Also, this case they didn't ignore Conans plan. He just did not predict that the culprit could pass the car while he, Haibara and Takagi were listening about details of a 15-year old case... If he had, he would surely had given them permission to get him out of that bar immediately.

2) Again, leaving them behind while he is doing the dangerous stuff

Didn't watched this. But this is the first or last case they act stupid right?. They did not learn, or slow learner.

It was the first case they had opened their "letterbox". So one of their earliest cases.
Also... calling Conan turned out to work out well. They got the culprits confession, convinced the police that they were right and got an apology. Again, Conan is to blame for much of it - but if it worked and he doesn't change his ways... why should they?
Finally... did the DBs expose him again due to calling him despite being reminded not to do so before? I can't think of another one, so maybe they learned something?

3 Ayumi turned on the lights in the library,...

Didn't watched this.
Whose action bring danger to them. If Conan isn't exist there won't be this case. If the library don't exist we don't have this case. But whose action directly bring them danger.

You didn't understand what I meant. Ayumi was lacking foresight when switching on the lights. But just before Conan lacked foresight as well by not staying in their hiding place another 5-10 minutes so they could have been sure the guy was really gone. Getting out at the very first chance which eventually endangered them all was - in part - Conans direct fault.

5.  In the first case with Ai,

IIRC . They were told to stay with the police. Conan is out scounting which of cause dangerous. But DB just walk in on the front door, openly, just plain stupid. And what with Haibara really? what did she think? but again, She fire a gun and contribute to their safty. DB-none.

How great of Haibara that she managed to predict she would get the chance to fire a gun to alert the police. 
How dumb of the DBs that they did not know that Conan was still okay and that they would be captured if they tried to help. 

6) And we never had Ran/Sonoko/Kazuha screaming upon seeing a body and drawing attention to herself, right?

Did they get themself in danger also. They even can protect themself. The point is Genta alert the murderer.

And they (the Detective Boys) managed to save themselves in the end.
If one of the girls were in Gentas situation: Chances are, she would be startled as well, alerting the criminals of their presence.
Also, while they can protect themselves does not mean they are always successful.

Think for example of the case that involve Makoto (Sonokos boyfriend). That's a total of 3 times that come to my mind right away where they had to be saved by someone else (in that case Makoto). Needing help from others isn't a thing that only happens to the DBs.

[kkslider5552000]

I only dislike the DB when they're in murder cases where they are completely irrelevent and are almost there to be annoying on purpose.

[Schillok]

I only dislike the DB when they're in murder cases where they are completely irrelevent and are almost there to be annoying on purpose.

And I dislike murder cases where the DBs are completely irrelevant.