Defining Character Traits

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Postby Dwalin » May 10th, 2011, 2:07 pm

I know it seems like a legitimate reason to kill someone, but still even in that situation murder isn't justified. That is taking someone's life away and for the sake of revenge makes it even worse.


My point was not if murders should or shouldn't be justified, but that Shinichi doesn't express or probably even feel pity for people whom he puts away, even though they without doubt deserve it. Even if they maybe should be convicted, any normal person would feel pity for such murderers as those presented in most of the cases in "Detective Conan".
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby 1Kaito » May 10th, 2011, 2:13 pm

Dwalin wrote:
I know it seems like a legitimate reason to kill someone, but still even in that situation murder isn't justified. That is taking someone's life away and for the sake of revenge makes it even worse.


My point was not if murders should or shouldn't be justified, but that Shinichi doesn't express or probably even feel pity for people whom he puts away, even though they without doubt deserve it. Even if they maybe should be convicted, any normal person would feel pity for such murderers as those presented in most of the cases in "Detective Conan".
Just because he doesn't say "Man, I feel sorry for this dude" out loud doesn't mean he doesn't pity them. I mean if you go back and read some files there are cases where he has said how tragic that certain case was, I am sure of it. I just don't know what cases. It has been a while since I actually went back and read old cases. Besides most of these people's reasons for killing is so ridiculous I would be shocked if he did pity them. And I think it has been established that he isn't "any normal person".
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Baritsu Master » May 10th, 2011, 2:28 pm

It would be conflicting for a character to both pretend to be a child and undergo the amount of death and near death experiences he encounters each day. The grimness would age you. I would think he'd have a personality more like Ai's.
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby randompi314159 » May 11th, 2011, 7:11 am

Yes, Shinichi usually takes the high moral ground as in instances such as he tried to avoid the murderer, whose name escapes me, in the Moonlight Sonata case from killing himself and wants to avoid death at all costs, such as when he fed the idol all that sugar after she passed out, but imho, his role as a detective is to simply reveal the culprit of the crime. Then the extenuating circumstances involving that specific crime will be explained and dealt with during trial. But that part isn't explicitly  shown in DC aside from the occasional Courtroom Confrontation cases. I would believe he simply tries to separate his feelings from the cases, (which he usually fails at when it involves people he cares about especially Ran, further exemplifying his imprefection).

That would be a in a general-detective-perspective dealing . But as a character, I would think the reason why he can't feel pity or empathize with the criminals is more along the lines that he doesn't know how to. He's stated in the Desperate Revival arc that he doesn't understand the reasons why someone would kill someone and again in the NY case. And for someone to empathize with someone, he would need to understand and to some extent share the same feelings as the criminal. Not saying he couldn't learn to develop it later, but I think it comes with maturity.

As for other characters, I'll start off with Haibara.

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- Humorously sarcastic (leads to rather funny situations)
- Brilliant Biochemist
- Keen BO senses
- Appears to keep up with the fashion trends
- Extremely cautious about certain matters

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- 'Freezes up' when around BO (which logically makes sense considering all that has happened involving her and them.)
- Previously, not sure if this applies anymore since she started to change, gets to depressed, isolated, cold, etc

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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby ssjup81 » May 11th, 2011, 10:49 am

In the beginning, I felt that Shinichi was "egotistical" in the same way that Heiji was.  Seems, with Shinichi, he let the success of his deductions go to his head.  That seemed to be the implication before his becoming Conan, where he had no choice but to take a backseat role and calm down.
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Kleene Onigiri » May 11th, 2011, 4:47 pm

Well, in the first chapters, Shinichi also told Ran that he's "used to that" when Ran cried about the death of that man and stuff.
He also has that sad expression after the deduction. You know, him holding the bow-tie and looking down, that you can't see his eyes anymore just the glasses.
I guess, after encountering so many deaths, he just doesn't show his pity or sadness anymore. Especially since he can't become biased to solve the case, meaning he has to hold back such emotions as pity and sadness. (we saw how Conan acted strange in the K3 case)
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Dwalin » May 11th, 2011, 5:22 pm

Kleene Onigiri wrote:I guess, after encountering so many deaths, he just doesn't show his pity or sadness anymore.


But he didn't have any reaction even during his first case, the one one the airplane (forgot the title of the case).
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Kleene Onigiri » May 11th, 2011, 5:25 pm

Dwalin wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:I guess, after encountering so many deaths, he just doesn't show his pity or sadness anymore.


But he didn't have any reaction even during his first case, the one one the airplane (forgot the title of the case).


But Ran was also there. And he probably wanted to act cool XD
And even tho it was his "first case", it was also said that he saw other cases before, just never solved one himself yet.
And there is still the "don't get biased part".
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby A.E. » May 11th, 2011, 6:53 pm

Some very critically interesting points you've got there.
What I do find problematic, though, is the dichotomous theme of plain, uncomplicated positive and negative traits.
Looking at the list you provided, few of those traits stand out as being too widely interpretable to be simple cases of good and bad.

Take cold-heartedness, for instance; you have described Shinichi as being a cold-hearted person (which is something I certainly don’t have doubt in; he is). But one question does arise, however: is cold-heartedness really a negative trait, in Shinichi’s case?
Think about it this way: he constantly runs into hundreds of gruesome murder scenes, and almost never flinches after solving each one of them (he doesn’t expressively show it, at least, as oppose to Ran who broke into a profusion of tears, after her playing of the “detectiveâ€
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby shihokudo » May 11th, 2011, 8:10 pm

What are some other traits for other characters?
e.g. Heiji, Haibara, Kid, DBOYS. etc. etc.
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby conan96 » May 11th, 2011, 8:23 pm

Okiya

Positive trait: Quick witted, like Kudo.

Negative trait: Kinda hard trying to get interested in someone when half of his dialog consists of ''...''
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Stopwatch » May 11th, 2011, 8:28 pm

conan96 wrote:Okiya

Positive trait: Quick witted, like Kudo.

Negative trait: Kinda hard trying to get interested in someone when half of their dialog consists of ''...''

...love it. (Another negative trait for Okiya: Stalking is bad, he follows Haibara around like, well, a stalker).
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Shuusgirl » May 12th, 2011, 12:11 am

Kleene Onigiri wrote:Well, in the first chapters, Shinichi also told Ran that he's "used to that" when Ran cried about the death of that man and stuff.
He also has that sad expression after the deduction. You know, him holding the bow-tie and looking down, that you can't see his eyes anymore just the glasses.
I guess, after encountering so many deaths, he just doesn't show his pity or sadness anymore. Especially since he can't become biased to solve the case, meaning he has to hold back such emotions as pity and sadness. (we saw how Conan acted strange in the K3 case)

Well, look at...I think it was the Karaoke case, the one with the singer that got poisoned right at the start?  He freezes up and says something like, "If that's the case, then this is a tragedy" or something like that.  He's got pity, but if he shows it he won't be taken so seriously.  He says it in that episode when Ran solves the convenience store mystery, that he has to act like he knows what he's talking about or else no one will believe him.  If he's sitting there crying over what happened, no one will take him seriously.  Besides, it's not professional.
With Haibara's caution, that can be both negative and positive.  Who knows, maybe if she said, "Kudo-kun, we're in this together so here's everything I know, and let's make a plan to bring the B.O down" then maybe she'd be perfectly safe now.
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby kkslider5552000 » May 12th, 2011, 2:46 am

Stopwatch wrote:
conan96 wrote:Okiya

Positive trait: Quick witted, like Kudo.

Negative trait: Kinda hard trying to get interested in someone when half of their dialog consists of ''...''

...love it. (Another negative trait for Okiya: Stalking is bad, he follows Haibara around like, well, a stalker).
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Re: Defining Character Traits

Postby Dwalin » May 12th, 2011, 10:03 am

Another couple of Heiji’s traits:

Positive trait:
He is more compassionate towards those criminals who deserve pity than Conan:
in one of the cases (forgot the name, remember only that the culprit was a woman), where it was clear the woman was brought to crime by despair, he tried to convince Conan that maybe it was better to allow her to kill herself rather than torture her for the whole life by letting her rot in jail (which she obviously did not deserve)

Negative trait:
Has a somewhat strange system of values:
he said once to a policeman who took revenge on the murderers of his father that “he was the most unworthy person in Japan to wear a badgeâ€

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