ProfParanoia wrote:Shuusgirl wrote:ProfParanoia wrote:Shuusgirl wrote: Shinichi and Haibara/Shiho would never work out, even if Ran wasn't there. In case you haven't noticed, Haibara's not so good at sharing.
You're in for a rude awakening XD.
Because she's going to suddenly tell stuff that's important without the situation forcing her to, or because you think they'll somehow get together?
If she has to tell him or else they'll die or something like that it doesn't really count. It's not called sharing if you're being threatened.
No, because all marriage is based off of withholding information.
...and that sounds
really stable...The people around me who are married are pretty much the opposite.
But see, that's beside the point. My point is, to have a relationship--any relationship--there has to be give and take. Haven't you ever been friends with someone who wanted to hear about you, but when it came to them they were all, "not telling"? It's not a good relationship. Haibara takes--letting him talk about himself and his worries, risk himself for her, etc, but she doesn't give. Her neck's not out there for him, not even telling him her problems. You can't really even have a friendship with that, let alone a romantic relationship.
Sherry86 wrote:@Shuusgirl
Tsundere do that. They usually tease the person they like.
What you say is weird.
You say Shinichi needs someone who wants to share with him. It means he needs Haibara, right? He shares his dirty little secret with Haibara, not with Ran. He even fooled Ran few times already. Do you still think he needs Ran to share with him?
I'm not saying that you don't tease the person you like, I'm saying that you don't have to like a person to tease them.
First of all, he didn't "share" that he's Shinichi with Haibara. She already knew. He had no choice to whether or not she knew.
Furthermore, he doesn't share with Ran because he can't. He realizes that it would be selfish of him, because it would lead to, "will you wait for me to become Shinichi again, possibly forever?" When it comes to Ran, he's surprisingly selfless. He'd rather
his heart be broken then hers.
Also, although yes, I think that he needs to be in Ran's life and such, I actually said that Ran wanted to change with him. But yeah, it works both ways. Shinichi is changing (becoming less arrogant, looking out for others better, trusting others, etc) as he's living with Ran, but Ran doesn't know this. Shinichi gets to see her in just about every situation, which is why I think he's fallen in love with her so hard, but the same doesn't go for Ran. Of course, I think she liked him more to begin with, but this is all beside the point.
Sherry86 wrote:If you're not agree with "he's more married to Haibara than Ran" thing, I can change it to "he's married to Ran but have an affair with Haibara and they work together to fooled his wife so they dirty little secret stay safe"
A huge part of any close relationship is trust and communication, that's what I see from Conan and Haibara relationship. At first they don't trust each other then
bit by bit they start to trust each other and they can communicate pretty well, the prove is Conan never blabbed about Sherlock Holmes when he talk to Haibara. It means they have something to talk.
If you think trust is open all of your secrets at once until you don't have secrets anymore, I think you misunderstood the meaning of trust.
Except in having an affair there's a betrayal of trust. Also, "they work together to fool his wife so their dirty little secret stays safe" implies that they're a) doing something wrong and b) that they can control it. Being shrunk wasn't their choice (even less so Shinichi's) and they're the victims. The only reason Shinichi doesn't tell Ran is because it would hurt her more (see above).
You say that proof that they communicate well is that Conan doesn't really talk about Holmes to Haibara. I actually think that's proof the other way. When you're working with someone on a specific goal (get bodies back/stop B.O/don't die) it's easy to talk about that kind of thing. But when you talk about something personal, that's different. I don't think that Holmes is just some character that Shinichi really likes, he's his goal and hero. And that's much more personal than, "how do we not die today".
I'm not saying she should give all her secrets all at once. But we know almost nothing about her. I'm just saying she talks "business" more than personal to the extent it's hard to know much at all about her former life.
Sherry86 wrote:I'm not agree with "Shinichi's more emotionally mature than she is" because she's more emotionally mature than he is. She's able to manage her emotions very well. She even can manage her feeling for Conan and aware of others feeling.
If Shinichi "imagines them kissing" with Haibara, it means he's a lolicon.
Hiding emotions without much reason isn't emotionally mature. Hiding that she's scared, trying to be brave to the extent she does points to the fact that she thinks she can go it alone, not that she's mature. Pretending that I agree that she has feelings for Conan romantically, then her hiding them to not hurt Conan and Ran would be mature. Hiding them because she doesn't want to face them wouldn't be. It depends on motive, and we don't even have real proof that she likes him, let alone that she's hiding it.
Besides, other than Ayumi, there's not much proof she cares about others emotions much at all. Certainly not at the start. Now...she does use Mitsuhiko despite knowing how he feels about her. Emotions aren't really her strong point anyway.
And how did this turn into an Ai vs Ran debate?
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." --Sherlock Holmes
Yeah Kogoro, did you read this one?
