I'm still annoyed at the Revival/Shinichi's Return/Shirigami-sama case

[kkslider5552000]

Now, I'm in the minority that will complain about this case but not for the normal reasons. As its own case, I thought it was really good and unique. Oh sure, at the end it was SHINICHI SAVES THE DAY but it was done well, it was clever and kept my interest from beginning to end. It probably helps that after certain recent cases at the time, you could believe something big could happen at any time. I have some minor complaints, like why has no one done anything about Haibara's comments that she was gonna trick Shinichi into taking the antidote? Oh and that case afterwards and its horriterribadnotgood animation.

But my real problem was Ran. Why can she suddenly...basically "sense" when Shinichi is not actually Shinichi? Ok, ignore that, better question.

Why did Gosho throw away the only real drama the Shinichi and Ran relationship had anymore? The only real possibility that doesn't involve a stupid twist ending for Shinichi X Ran not being blatantly canon was the ending of episode 308 before Akai appeared with the "do hearts grow apart when separated?" thing. While Gosho dropped the ball with any attempt at continuing the odd Conan/Ran/Haibara love triangle (you know, to make room for more Detective Boys and Eri's cat), the lack of Ran and Shinichi stuff could have been somewhat justifed by this. This seemed like the perfect opportunity, no, this WAS the perfect opportunity to do that. But that will never happen as Ran loves Shinichi and knows him so well that she only has feelings for the real Shinichi and always will, yippee! 

It really killed what little drama there was with that part of the series, at least for me. And it really pisses me off (and don't even tell me the Blue Spark of Fail had some AiCon stuff, it was done horribly anyway). I mean, I can, and will, make fun of how serious such "sometimes pretty good I guess" romance plots are taken by some people. But, that doesn't mean I don't see why it's liked. It's simple but a really great idea for a romance plot. Have a pure hearted, typical high school girl whose feelings are so blatant even dead people she's never met know that she loves Shinichi, go with that for a while. Than introduce another character who is much different, has a dark past and at first doesn't seem completely trustworthy. Some more for the first pairing with a couple of hints towards the 2nd pairing. Increase the number of moments for the 2nd couple, but keep it far more subtle. Keep first pairing stuff going but focus on Haibara and have more and more moments for the 2nd pairing etc. It's a really good idea, and despite not being amazing imo, worked incredibly well. The AiCon and ShinRan topics should be proof of that.

But, sometimes I really don't think even someone as talented as Gosho thought about what happens next. I say this because I fairly quickly thought of at least one way to keep it going at least during the Eisuke arc without it changing anything of even the slightest importance or even changing any of the plot cases at all (I could see it being a bad idea if Eisuke hurt sales, which almost wouldn't surprise me). That just makes it frustrating, if I think I thought of something that would have improved anything in Detective Conan, SOMETHING IS WRONG.

@ AiCons and ShinRans, don't make me regret giving you a little bit of respect.

[baka1412]

Yeah.. I blame gosho as well

He just didn't have the thing for writing a Harem story

[Kleene Onigiri]

Because Gosho isn't you and he can't have your ideas

[baka1412]

Why not ? He's halfway throughout harem route..  We already have Haibara, Ran, Ayumi, the Girl from who cook lemon pie (forgot the name), the actress (again, forgot the name, but she's friend of Yoko) who like Shinichi..  And i don't mean a simple Harem story without decent plot-line (e.g infinite stra*oss), Love Hina is a one of many wonderful example how a Harem story ended with lovable romance plot..

But yeah, I almost agree with you..

For Gosho to break the Status-Quo between Ran/Shinichi(conan)/Haibara in Shirigami & London case were wrong moves in my opinion..

[toyks]

Why not ? He's halfway throughout harem route..  We already have Haibara, Ran, Ayumi, the Girl from who cook lemon pie (forgot the name), the actress (again, forgot the name, but she's friend of Yoko) who like Shinichi..

Spoiler:

And now we have SeraxConan for the shotacon category

[psyko_stevey_999]

From a plot perspective I see where you're coming from. I get that the story appears more dry in that sense because there's a lack of romantic duplicity, but at the same time anyone who honestly thought AiCon was a viable possibility was delusional. The truth is, from the beginning it was made clear ShinRan was the destined resolution.

The fact that Gosho made this pairing all the more evident through the aforementioned cases really shouldn't have effected anyone's views or interest in the show. If you were still holding your breath for AiCon......I'm sorry for the let down.

My belief is that Gosho felt the need to verify the definitiveness of Ran and Shinichi's relationship because many fans had misconstrued or taken the AiCon thing out of context. Everyone thinks just because Haibara's a character of the opposite sex that Conan talks to it automatically has to be a love interest. Truth is her character was meant to serve a whole different purpose that has nothing to do with his love life. She is a character that can truly relate to him on multiple levels. They are intellectually on par and they both deal with one or more of the same or similar 'issues'.

[kkslider5552000]

From a plot perspective I see where you're coming from. I get that the story appears more dry in that sense because there's a lack of romantic duplicity, but at the same time anyone who honestly thought AiCon was a viable possibility was delusional. The truth is, from the beginning it was made clear ShinRan was the destined resolution.

The fact that Gosho made this pairing all the more evident through the aforementioned cases really shouldn't have effected anyone's views or interest in the show. If you were still holding your breath for AiCon......I'm sorry for the let down.

My belief is that Gosho felt the need to verify the definitiveness of Ran and Shinichi's relationship because many fans had misconstrued or taken the AiCon thing out of context. Everyone thinks just because Haibara's a character of the opposite sex that Conan talks to it automatically has to be a love interest. Truth is her character was meant to serve a whole different purpose that has nothing to do with his love life. She is a character that can truly relate to him on multiple levels. They are intellectually on par and they both deal with one or more of the same or similar 'issues'.

I call bullcrap on this. Watch the beginning of the 2nd Metro Police Detective Love Story, Gosho knew EXACTLY what fan's reactions were going to be to that. Or the Tohto Film Studio case where Yukiko actually addresses this.

also calling a bunch of people here delusional = super smart idea!

[Vylash]

Why not ? He's halfway throughout harem route..  We already have Haibara, Ran, Ayumi, the Girl from who cook lemon pie (forgot the name), the actress (again, forgot the name, but she's friend of Yoko) who like Shinichi..  And i don't mean a simple Harem story without decent plot-line (e.g infinite stra*oss), Love Hina is a one of many wonderful example how a Harem story ended with lovable romance plot..

stop, just stop.

@toyks: spoiler box pl0x

[Freyr]

There are definite undertones from Gosho playing into the AiCon. My guess however is that his intention was to make it one-sided, having Haibara fall in love with Conan while he is focuses soles on Ran (Haibara -> Conan -> Ran Shinichi in a sense). Then he felt like it was getting to misconstrued and attempted to clean it up. Gosho may have an ending in mind, but he is constantly making up how to get there and things will change from their original intention.

As for Ran sensing that he wasn't really Shinichi in that ep, I have no problem with it. Everything from how a person holds themselves, their mannerisms, their presence--how they fill the space they are in,  how they move and how they stay still. Very minute things make up who that person is, an aura can be virtually tangible when you know someone really well and you can sense when something is off. Heck, his pheromones are different, and considering she had grown up since childhood with Shinichi, she'll have an unconscious impression of him. So while she recognizes his face as Shinichi, she has a feeling based on that myriad of factors that something is wrong that isn't the amnesia.

As far as the pheromones thing, could easily be why she gets so attached to Conan as her gut recognizes him as familiar though her mind (typically) doesn't. Studies have shown guys somehow tend to have a sense of when women are ovulating and are attracted to it. If that isn't telling on how basic we can get when sensing others, don't know what is.

[psyko_stevey_999]

I must agree, I never said there wasn't evidence that Ai liked Conan. What I was saying was that the idea of a legitimate AiCon relationship should never have been a logical option in anyone's mind. And yes, if you honestly thought Shinichi would leave Ran for Haibara, you were delusional because that's insanity.

I apologize if I insult anyone, you don't have to take my word as fact but the point is still valid

[Abs.]

The fact that you're defending your point so strongly is evidence you're the very one that fears "a legitimate Aicon relationship" might just be "a logical option" in Aoyama's mind.

[Kor]

Not all writers know what stuff they are causing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_(fandom)#Harry_Potter_fandom

[Schillok]

Well, maybe because DC was not a romance drama in the first place?
I have a pretty good idea with whom Shinchi will end up with and this did not change since the very start of the series. There is hardly any drama, since no character ages in the series (meaning, hardly any time progresses, no matter how many cases Conan solves) so once Shinichi returns (and he likely will in the end) there is nothing that would stop Shinichi and Ran from becoming a pair.

Yeah, sure there is some drama - like Ayumi falling in love with Conan with slim chances to win his love no matter how long she tries. Or Shiratori and Takago falling for the same woman (which turned out fine for both of them in the end). But those are hardly serious enough to make it a focus of the series.
Which is probably the reason why some fans made up the whole Conan x Ai idea. Gosho did not "throw away the Shinichi-Ran-Shiho love triangle", it never existed in the first place.

[psyko_stevey_999]

I'll be honest, from a fan perspective I never liked the idea of AiCon, it kind of bugged. But that doesn't change whether or not I think it would have been a logical turn of events for them to end up together. Even if I did like the idea, I still wouldn't endorse it because it doesn't make any sense with the ongoing plot of the story

[kkslider5552000]

Well, maybe because DC was not a romance drama in the first place?

um, the closest thing the show had to a plot for the first 127 episodes was just that. So yeah.

you were delusional because that's insanity.

I apologize if I insult anyone

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