Kogorous Riddle Thread and eworms Deduction Thread

[sstimson]

Good idea with the use of dry ice but not the right one

A thought but missing the murder weapon. Think pillow over face.

[Kogorou]

Damn I missed it.
Man I wish I had more time to play with you all.
Nice riddles you have here *scrolls back and forth the last pages*

[lucky777]

My second theory would have actually been along the lines of MDavid's, except I would have added to the proof that he isn't what he says he is because:

[spoiler]A public toilet isn't really more environmentally friendly(possibly even less so) and sticking a frozen sausage into your suitcase would cause it to get your papers (assuming they were important) wet as it began to defrost and sweat, not to mention the sheer irrationality of the notion. He could have simply recycled the plastic bag after he was done using it.[/spoiler]

There's far too many illogical elements to his story for him not to be guilty, unless they were added intentionally as a red herring.

Question: If asphyxiation had been induced by drowning, the coroner would a discovered that, correct?

Yes the coroner would have discovered it but it's difficult to say if they could blame the death on drowning and who knows how many red herrings I have

Good idea with the use of dry ice but not the right one

A thought but missing the murder weapon. Think pillow over face.

I guess that the murder weapon could be a pillow but you can't be sure they're dead.
In my murder method you don't have to be there to kill them of asphyxiation.

[kuttu555]

Just a guess,
[spoiler]
Suspect 1 :
Brings ice pieces in the suitcase.
Killer holds the pipe with paper (so no fingerprints & also explains the crumpling) and knocks victim unconscious.
Stuffs the victims mouth and nose with ice preventing him from breathing and hence die.
The ice would've melted by the time the body is discovered .
The killer kept the paper in the suitcase where he kept the ice( so paper's wet ),he went to toilet
probably to dispose of the extra ice .To dry the suitcase an open area would be preferable
over the toilet so his testimony is a lie
[/spoiler]

Where were all the victims body found ? (If the location is relevant to solving this case)

[lucky777]

Just a guess,
[spoiler]Suspect 1 :
Brings ice pieces in the suitcase.
Killer holds the pipe with paper (so no fingerprints & also explains the crumpling) and knocks victim unconscious.
Stuffs the victims mouth and nose with ice preventing him from breathing and hence die.
The ice would've melted by the time the body is discovered .
The killer kept the paper in the suitcase where he kept the ice( so paper's wet ),he went to toilet
probably to dispose of the extra ice .To dry the suitcase an open area would be preferable
over the toilet so his testimony is a lie[/spoiler]

Where were all the victims body found ? (If the location is relevant to solving this case)

That's pretty much it, except instead of ice cubes the killer used frozen snow balls and he just stuffed them into his throat.

And the conclusion is below in story format:
Conan noticed that even though the suitcase was supposed to be water proof only the inside was wet as the table was still dry after its inspection meaning that suspect 1 lied. Since the suitcase was water tight the water must have come from within it, but there was nothing to indicate where the water came from. Who carries water in a suitcase? So the killer must have disposed of the source of the water, most likely in the toilet or somewhere else. Conan also thought it was strange how all his victims died of asphyxiation instead of the injuries. Leading to the idea asphyxiation must have happened soon after the victims went unconscious. The killer only appeared on cold dark nights, using this as a basis he assumed the trick could only work if it was cold.

If it's cold then what would last longer? The first thing that comes to mind is ice or snow. If the culprit carried snow or ice they'll last longer in the cold. Also once the culprit drowned them in snow or ice then he could just leave them and wait for the ice or snow to melt. Plus once the snow and ice melted the water would flow through the esophagus and if any did flow into the lungs the coroner wouldn't be able to determine that they died from drowning as the when someone dies from drowning typically the body would stop access to the lungs by blocking the airway and the water would flow to the esophagus. When opened again the water taken in may not be enough to determine if they drowned or not.

The paper was also wet indicating that it was near water, again there was no source of water in his suitcase so it must have been disposed of. The wet crumpled paper could have been used to wrap the snow ball to increase the time it took to melt.

Even if they didn't die of asphyxiation they would've died from the injuries anyway. He also noticed that the pipe had no fingerprints so either he wiped it off or used something to prevent him leaving prints, perhaps the killer used a bag or some other item but with the evidence so far it's best not to assume.

Conan needed to have definitive proof, if they check the victim now then perhaps they can find some traces of snow, then that would be proof as none of the other victims carries anything that indicates water.

Snow was found within the last victim and with Conan deduction (via explanation from a sleeping Kogorou) suspect 1 was arrested. Until he was shot. He fell bleeding, Conan sprinted as fast as he could, he looked around locating the source of the gun but to no avail. The dying man last words were "Ghost."

Yeah I'm gona carry this story on later.

[AkairaKKH]

Ahh, I thought about ice cubes but I wasn't sure if the coroner would be able to tell whether they drowned or they choked.

Who's going to come up with the next one?

[lucky777]

Kuttu should come up with the next riddle but he can pass it on if he wants

[kuttu555]

@lucky :
[spoiler]
Could the ghost be the real serial killer ?
[/spoiler]

Sorry ,i think i'll pass this one to AkairaKKH since i wont be online for a week .I'm going to my grandma's place and not internet there .

[lucky777]

@lucky :
[spoiler]Could the ghost be the real serial killer ?[/spoiler]

Sorry ,i think i'll pass this one to AkairaKKH since i wont be online for a week .I'm going to my grandma's place and not internet there .

Well actually I'm planning to continue on the story in the future through more cases like the one i did before but for now I'll leave it as it is and who knows about Ghost? You'll find out eventually.

[MDavid]

Suspect 1 the inside the suitcase was wet and empty except for crumpled paper, which was also wet. "I accidentally dropped it in the water fountain (there is a fountain in the park), so it got wet.

I was thinking he dropped the paper in the fountain and in that case only the inside of the suitcase being wet is normal.

[AkairaKKH]

I should have one in, half an hour or so C:

[AkairaKKH]

It's kind of long so I'll post it in three parts~

The Discovery
[spoiler] A man went into the abandoned warehouse he owned to check it's condition because he was looking to sell it. The first thing he noticed was that the air conditioning was up unnaturally high and it was a hot summers' day outside. Plus there were no cleaners or workers scheduled to come in which was the only time he ever turned on the electricity.

The second thing was that there was a man hanging from the central beam in the warehouse with a pile of clothes beneath him.

The man calls the police immediately. [/spoiler]

The Investigation
[spoiler] A few minutes later Inspector Megure appears accompanied by Conan who had been forced on him by Kogorou for the day.
They notice that the man is hanging roughly half a metre off the ground and that that the pile of clothes underneath him are slightly damp. Conan also notices that while the man's shoes are very dirty the soles are clean.
The police can see by the dust marks that the boxes haven't been moved, but also the pile of boxes next to the victim have a set of blurry footprints going up them.
The coroner thinks the man has only been dead for few hours but because of the high temperature he can't be sure.
On further inspection of the warehouse they find similar piles of clothes but none of them are as clean or damp as the one beneath the victim.
They also find a baseball bat with a little of the victims blood on it bit not fingerprints, they think it was used to knock out the victim.
Also some dust had been wiped away from the beam the victim was hanging from. [/spoiler]

The Suspects
[spoiler] Suspect 1-  Owed the victim a lot of money he couldn't pay back. Has an injury on his right hand he says he got by spilling coffee on it earlier. He is left handed and owns a sports shop.

Suspect 2- Invested a lot of money in the victims company but lost it all. Has sleeve marks round his wrists but rolled them up because it was too hot for him inside the warehouse. Right handed and owns an ice cream factory.

Suspect 3- Had fallen victim to a scam run by the victim has a bandage on his race he says he got a cut when he fell earlier. Right handed and works for a pizza delivery company.


They check the suspect's shoes against the ones found on the boxes but they all seem to be possible machines. They then see faint tracks going from the door to the victim and back again.

They think it's some sort of delivery box that made the tracks, but one suspect works as a delivery person and both the ice cream factory and the sports' shop do deliveries. [/spoiler]

Mysteries:

Who did it?
How did they do it?
And
How can you prove it?

Sorry for typos, I'm doing this on my phone XD

[livvlaughlovee]

It's kind of long so I'll post it in three parts~

The Discovery
[spoiler]A man went into the abandoned warehouse he owned to check it's condition because he was looking to sell it. The first thing he noticed was that the air conditioning was up unnaturally high and it was a hot summers' day outside. Plus there were no cleaners or workers scheduled to come in which was the only time he ever turned on the electricity.

The second thing was that there was a man hanging from the central beam in the warehouse with a pile of clothes beneath him.

The man calls the police immediately.[/spoiler]

The Investigation
[spoiler]A few minutes later Inspector Megure appears accompanied by Conan who had been forced on him by Kogorou for the day.
They notice that the man is hanging roughly half a metre off the ground and that that the pile of clothes underneath him are slightly damp. Conan also notices that while the man's shoes are very dirty the soles are clean.
The police can see by the dust marks that the boxes haven't been moved, but also the pile of boxes next to the victim have a set of blurry footprints going up them.
The coroner thinks the man has only been dead for few hours but because of the high temperature he can't be sure.
On further inspection of the warehouse they find similar piles of clothes but none of them are as clean or damp as the one beneath the victim.
They also find a baseball bat with a little of the victims blood on it bit not fingerprints, they think it was used to knock out the victim.
Also some dust had been wiped away from the beam the victim was hanging from.[/spoiler]

The Suspects
[spoiler]Suspect 1-  Owed the victim a lot of money he couldn't pay back. Has an injury on his right hand he says he got by spilling coffee on it earlier. He is left handed and owns a sports shop.

Suspect 2- Invested a lot of money in the victims company but lost it all. Has sleeve marks round his wrists but rolled them up because it was too hot for him inside the warehouse. Right handed and owns an ice cream factory.

Suspect 3- Had fallen victim to a scam run by the victim has a bandage on his race he says he got a cut when he fell earlier. Right handed and works for a pizza delivery company.


They check the suspect's shoes against the ones found on the boxes but they all seem to be possible machines. They then see faint tracks going from the door to the victim and back again.

They think it's some sort of delivery box that made the tracks, but one suspect works as a delivery person and both the ice cream factory and the sports' shop do deliveries.[/spoiler]

Mysteries:

Who did it?
How did they do it?
And
How can you prove it?

Sorry for typos, I'm doing this on my phone XD

There are 3 points that I found important.
[spoiler]1. The clothes were damp; more so than any other pile of clothes within the warehouse.
2. The victims shoe soles were clean, but the rest of the shoe was dirty.
3. Whoops, I actually miscounted. There were only 2 things I wanted to point out.~ (x[/spoiler]
Am I right to assume that [spoiler]ice was involved? :3[/spoiler]

[M.Holmes]

I'm not sure I understand this one. Is there supposed to be something mysterious or impossible about how he was hanged? Because it seems like he could have just been carried up the boxes and hung from there.

[AkairaKKH]

There is most definitely some mysterious  way he was hanged, the weight of two adults going up the boxes would cause them to collapse.

Livvlaughlovee
[spoiler] I guess that's a fair assumption (;
But I won't say if it's the right oneC: [/spoiler]