Kogoro's Thread

[Misztina]

Hell if I know. He said in the anime "Well, even though I was a police officer, my marksmenship isn't..." and in the manga he said that "...but me and firearms...". So this means he isn't a good shooter, or he had a case where he missed the target and had to leave the police. Or something like that.

@Poppy-chan: You forget taht Kogoro is a "MAN", it makes him feel bad if his wife works and he isn't. Men usually hate if their wives earn more. That's man weak spot, except the bishoujo boys.

[mangaluva]

I kinda like Kogoro. I think he could be a really good detective (he was getting there in the case at his club reunion, even before Conan's hints), he just doesn't normally have the drive to because he thinks he's useless because his wife left him, thus becoming useless. But he was supposed to have been a good officer prior to the breakup. If he stopped drinking all day and put his mind to it, he'd be a good detective.

[meidei]

I kinda like Kogoro. I think he could be a really good detective (he was getting there in the case at his club reunion, even before Conan's hints), he just doesn't normally have the drive to because he thinks he's useless because his wife left him, thus becoming useless. But he was supposed to have been a good officer prior to the breakup. If he stopped drinking all day and put his mind to it, he'd be a good detective.

My thoughts exactly.

[AICHAN]

yeah,i like Kogoro too!!!
i don't mind if he's not a good detective ,i like him the way he is...as people say he has many flaws but that's what make him 
more human ...he's funny most of the time but he can be very spiritual and deep at times...

[mangaluva]

I think Shinichi's going to grow up to be like Kogoro.

> Both sharpshooters.
> Both good detectives.
> Kogoro said "I'll never understand the mind of a murderer, and I don't care to."; Shinichi said "No matter how many times they try to explain it to me, I can never figure out why one person would want to kill another."
> Kogoro's drinking is obvious; When Shinichi tried to reuse the Baigar, he got quite ridiculously drunk before he remembered what he was trying to do and realized that it didn't work... and then kept drinking.
> Both can be very prideful.
> They can be idiots when it comes to the women they love.

Oh dear.

[dilbertschalter]

I think Shinichi's going to grow up to be like Kogoro.

> Both sharpshooters.
> Both good detectives.
> Kogoro said "I'll never understand the mind of a murderer, and I don't care to."; Shinichi said "No matter how many times they try to explain it to me, I can never figure out why one person would want to kill another."
> Kogoro's drinking is obvious; When Shinichi tried to reuse the Baigar, he got quite ridiculously drunk before he remembered what he was trying to do and realized that it didn't work... and then kept drinking.
> Both can be very prideful.
> They can be idiots when it comes to the women they love.

Oh dear.

Another one: they are both trick ponies when it comes to fighting. Shinichi relies on his kicking power, while Mouri relies on his flip the dude over move (what it is actually called?).

Also, the bolded exchange is one of my favorite in the series. Though Shinichi says something along those lines every other episode or so, he doesn't have the gravitas that Mouri did in 29.

[mangaluva]

I think Shinichi's going to grow up to be like Kogoro.

> Both sharpshooters.
> Both good detectives.
> Kogoro said "I'll never understand the mind of a murderer, and I don't care to."; Shinichi said "No matter how many times they try to explain it to me, I can never figure out why one person would want to kill another."
> Kogoro's drinking is obvious; When Shinichi tried to reuse the Baigar, he got quite ridiculously drunk before he remembered what he was trying to do and realized that it didn't work... and then kept drinking.
> Both can be very prideful.
> They can be idiots when it comes to the women they love.

Oh dear.

Another one: they are both trick ponies when it comes to fighting. Shinichi relies on his kicking power, while Mouri relies on his flip the dude over move (what it is actually called?).

Also, the bolded exchange is one of my favorite in the series. Though Shinichi says something along those lines every other episode or so, he doesn't have the gravitas that Mouri did in 29.

True. It's (rather clumsily) termed the one-arm shoulder throw in the english manga.

That was Kogoro's Crowning Moment of Awesome, I think XD

[Kor]

I kinda like Kogoro. I think he could be a really good detective (he was getting there in the case at his club reunion, even before Conan's hints), he just doesn't normally have the drive to because he thinks he's useless because his wife left him, thus becoming useless. But he was supposed to have been a good officer prior to the breakup. If he stopped drinking all day and put his mind to it, he'd be a good detective.

My thoughts exactly.

ditto.

[dilbertschalter]

I think Shinichi's going to grow up to be like Kogoro.

> Both sharpshooters.
> Both good detectives.
> Kogoro said "I'll never understand the mind of a murderer, and I don't care to."; Shinichi said "No matter how many times they try to explain it to me, I can never figure out why one person would want to kill another."
> Kogoro's drinking is obvious; When Shinichi tried to reuse the Baigar, he got quite ridiculously drunk before he remembered what he was trying to do and realized that it didn't work... and then kept drinking.
> Both can be very prideful.
> They can be idiots when it comes to the women they love.

Oh dear.

Another one: they are both trick ponies when it comes to fighting. Shinichi relies on his kicking power, while Mouri relies on his flip the dude over move (what it is actually called?).

Also, the bolded exchange is one of my favorite in the series. Though Shinichi says something along those lines every other episode or so, he doesn't have the gravitas that Mouri did in 29.

True. It's (rather clumsily) termed the one-arm shoulder throw in the english manga.

That was Kogoro's Crowning Moment of Awesome, I think XD

In Movie 9, his deduction wasn't just close to being correct (as it is in the episodes where he "shines")- better than Shinichi's. Not many characters have ever managed that (even including movies and AOs).

[Nyarl]

I kinda like Kogoro. I think he could be a really good detective (he was getting there in the case at his club reunion, even before Conan's hints),

Meh, he saw through the "outsider did it" red herring, but he needed Conan to figure out the alibi trick and thus the culprit, and needed further help to get the "proof"/confession.

But he was supposed to have been a good officer prior to the breakup.

Who says? Like I wrote in the Ai thread, for every Agasa saying he was respected, there's a Megure and Yuminaga thinking/saying outright that he sucked. I think if Kogoro ever actually had a good reputation, it was for bravery instead of investigation skills, or it was with people who didn't know Yusaku/Eri/someone was actually solving the cases.

I really think he's more suited to acting/professional celebrity than detective work, though if he blows a case publicly he might not even keep his current level of fame.

[RedPoppy]

@Poppy-chan: You forget taht Kogoro is a "MAN", it makes him feel bad if his wife works and he isn't. Men usually hate if their wives earn more. That's man weak spot, except the bishoujo boys.

I've heard that Japanese men don't mind if their wives earn more, I don't know if it's true though. Kogoro probably will work, but PLEASE, be honest, you REALLY think that he'll suddenly become the greatest detective in Japan?? I DON'T THINK SO. After Conan's leaving, he won't solve cases, maybe except searching for lost pets... In any way, Kogoro won't earn so much money as his brilliant wife.

I think Shinichi's going to grow up to be like Kogoro.

> Both sharpshooters.
> Both good detectives.
> Kogoro said "I'll never understand the mind of a murderer, and I don't care to."; Shinichi said "No matter how many times they try to explain it to me, I can never figure out why one person would want to kill another."
> Kogoro's drinking is obvious; When Shinichi tried to reuse the Baigar, he got quite ridiculously drunk before he remembered what he was trying to do and realized that it didn't work... and then kept drinking.
> Both can be very prideful.
> They can be idiots when it comes to the women they love.

Oh dear.

OMG, please, never never never compare Kogoro to Shinichi!!!! I just hate that character, because I saw that kind of man many times - he's a pervert, drunkard and idiot. I don't care if he's more human than Heiji or Shinichi, I can't stand people who beat children, leave all of housework for wives and kids and spending all day long watching TV and drinking beer. He's lazy and malicious. I know, he cares about his wife and daughter, he's brave, prideful, good at shooting and all...but comparing to Shinichi is for me just too much. Yes, they have some things in common, but it doesn't mean that Shinichi will become Kogoro when he will grow up.
If Kogoro was a good detective, he would solve many cases on his own, so why Conan still has to make him sleep??

[Akemi~chan]

kogoro is not as good as he pretends to be but he IS still a good detective. only when it gets personal or theres no other person there, he's just REALLY slow and doesn't see detail like Heiji,Hakuba, and Shinichi do. when things are pointed out to him he puts them together quickly enough he just doesn't see as many details as he should.

i still like kogoro a character and my sis just made me laugh saying if he acted fatherly once it'd creep her out...anyways. he's still a good character.

[pofa]

@Poppy-chan: You forget taht Kogoro is a "MAN", it makes him feel bad if his wife works and he isn't. Men usually hate if their wives earn more. That's man weak spot, except the bishoujo boys.

I've heard that Japanese men don't mind if their wives earn more, I don't know if it's true though. Kogoro probably will work, but PLEASE, be honest, you REALLY think that he'll suddenly become the greatest detective in Japan?? I DON'T THINK SO. After Conan's leaving, he won't solve cases, maybe except searching for lost pets... In any way, Kogoro won't earn so much money as his brilliant wife.

I think Shinichi's going to grow up to be like Kogoro.

> Both sharpshooters.
> Both good detectives.
> Kogoro said "I'll never understand the mind of a murderer, and I don't care to."; Shinichi said "No matter how many times they try to explain it to me, I can never figure out why one person would want to kill another."
> Kogoro's drinking is obvious; When Shinichi tried to reuse the Baigar, he got quite ridiculously drunk before he remembered what he was trying to do and realized that it didn't work... and then kept drinking.
> Both can be very prideful.
> They can be idiots when it comes to the women they love.

Oh dear.

OMG, please, never never never compare Kogoro to Shinichi!!!! I just hate that character, because I saw that kind of man many times - he's a pervert, drunkard and idiot. I don't care if he's more human than Heiji or Shinichi, I can't stand people who beat children, leave all of housework for wives and kids and spending all day long watching TV and drinking beer. He's lazy and malicious. I know, he cares about his wife and daughter, he's brave, prideful, good at shooting and all...but comparing to Shinichi is for me just too much. Yes, they have some things in common, but it doesn't mean that Shinichi will become Kogoro when he will grow up.
If Kogoro was a good detective, he would solve many cases on his own, so why Conan still has to make him sleep??

He's lazy, but irritability isn't the same thing as maliciousness. He has lots of bad points, but I think it's clear that genuine cruelty isn't one of them. In fact, his good-heartedness is one of his best points.

As for him resenting Eri for her success--doesn't he secretly follow all her cases, just like she does for his? He's proud of her; he's just too prideful to admit something like that.

@mangaluva: You forgot the "synchronized brushing of the teeth" in the Mysterious Eyes OP. 

[randompi314159]

He was described as a bit of a delinquent and that it was strange Eri was attracted to him at all. The case where we get the most backstory into his youth is the murder at a winter villa being used a set for a drama. One of the actors is a childhood fiend of his who crushed on him. I forget the chapter/episode. It's the one where Kogoro says he likes grey more than black because it's a warmer color... Conan used his dart earlier so he had to hint to Kogoro the answer, but Kogoro nailed the case mostly by himself.

While I don't know the manga chapter, that's 305-6 in the anime.

I like Kogoro, he's a pretty interesting character. While he's far from perfect, he's good at heart and like many said before, a little more realistic than others in the show.

[mangaluva]

But he was supposed to have been a good officer prior to the breakup.

Who says? Like I wrote in the Ai thread, for every Agasa saying he was respected, there's a Megure and Yuminaga thinking/saying outright that he sucked. I think if Kogoro ever actually had a good reputation, it was for bravery instead of investigation skills, or it was with people who didn't know Yusaku/Eri/someone was actually solving the cases.

I really think he's more suited to acting/professional celebrity than detective work, though if he blows a case publicly he might not even keep his current level of fame.

In the flashbacks in episodes 472-473, he's seen to be doing his job very competently, and the same can be said for movie 2 if you take that as canon. Even if you don't take movie 2 as canon, it's still been implied in the manga that he left the force around the time he broke up with Eri, which from a psychologist's point of view is no coincidence.