Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Schillok]

hey, minerva is awesome

Maybe... but what is this roles function in the game?
What makes adding this rather complex role - that even its inventor had trouble with following and not screwing up (?) - improve the game?

[KangarooGirl]

Well, yes. Though, we should be careful to not let the slandering grow too high. If Calvados covers Gin, would they have 6 slanders together? That makes interrogations almost useless, since that would be enough to keep all the "normal BO members" hidden and even slander one or two townies in a normal sized game. I think in that case I would rather re-increase his investigations (they are important for the BO as well... if possible I would like to give it to one more BO member without it being a killing action)

Slander # - Crime
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- If Calvados covers Gin, Calvados only receives Slander 1.

Still, in a game with 6 BO, two being Vermouth and Anokata, it would allow them to cloak all of their members if they wanted. I don't really want to have cross-examine being the main way of the town to find BO until they have found out if Gin is in the game. Even with only Gin only one would be interrogation (or is the "one BO, one town" rule still there?).
Maybe return to what it was? One town, one BO. We could have Clavados being able to copy one whole action in the future. It would feel strange if he can only slander 1 from Gin while we would be able to use his investigate 2 (or how many he will get) in return.
Now, having 2 BO mainly occupied to slander 2 of their own and 2 from the town sounds better in my ears.



We were changing the rules so often (or discussing about changing them bit not doing it in the end) I kinda got lost what the most current version of them is...

There's still the stipulation that Gin can only slander 1 BO isn't there? It was there when I was BO in Akonyl's round. So it's still the same as it was before.

[Vylash]

hey, minerva is awesome

Maybe... but what is this roles function in the game?
What makes adding this rather complex role - that even its inventor had trouble with following and not screwing up (?) - improve the game?

What are you talking about, she wasn't even used in my round

[Akonyl]

gin's always only been able to slander one BO, and that's still how it was with 3 slanders.

[miikosan]

Irish/Yukiko Problem:

For my round, I'm making it so that they receive their disguises during Prep but not wearing them until Day 1. The first costume lasts til Night 2 then the next costume starts Day 2. Once they used up all 3, the next day phase will be like a rest phase (no disguise), then the night phase after they get their disguises, and the day phase following they'll be back in action.

How does that sound?


Minerva Problem:

I kinda agree that she's a bit useless, plus we already have 4 disguisers in the game, I don't think we need anymore.


Anokata BS Problem:

He can't use it on one-time only abilities, let's say (erase, lawsuit, etc.) because technically, he could send in something like "BS disguise as X" (pretend to be Yukiko maybe? Or even Minerva?), although that isn't very practical. Again, just a thought.


Agasa:

Make him like Kazuha. So he can give gadgets to himself once per game. I think this is already implemented though, unless I missed something.

[Akonyl]

well in that case irish + yukiko would be disguised during the day as well, which they never were before

otherwise, that's pretty much how they were before parkur's round anyway.

[miikosan]

Well we could try letting them disguise during day as well... see how that works out.

And I think the 2 phase rest period gives them a little bit of vulnerability as well, so it's not like last round when they were disguised throughout the game.

[KangarooGirl]

Actually, Parkur told me they were disguised during the day as well. It would up the possibility that they could be day roles like Kazuha or Agasa. But the question would be whether it's ok to let the BO have access to Agasa's tools or Kazuha's accompany.

[miikosan]

Kazuha's accompany would be OK, I guess. But not Agasa's tools, because those are his inventions and only the real him should know how to make them

[xpon]

- Agasa have bow tie on night 1,he use it to investigate people ( just for 1 night only ) and even if he is asked to investigate anymore.. he cant!

now compare it with this:

- Anokata have BS on night 1,he use it to investigate people but on night 2 or 3 he cant investigating because he lend the BS to others. and when he is asked, he can claim to be agasa.

[miikosan]

But Agasa can give it out. So if anyone wants investigate Agasa can just give it to them.

[xpon]

yeah... but i thin k it is normal to give him watch on night 1

[Schillok]

yeah... but i thin k it is normal to give him watch on night 1

Why? It does not help him to find allies or do anything useful for the town. The only things it does, it making it a bit harder for the BO on their night 1 kill. And as BO I hate it when the night kill fails so I don't think we need another thing that could go wrong night 1 (travelers are another things that could go for that killing).

[Kleene Onigiri]

I'm for removing Minerva. It's not like she can really disguise as good as irish/yuriko or vermouth/KID either D:
Otherwise you could give Takagi the disguise skill too XD

And I was allied with hopey and also saw that Uehara is a bit "useless". Or more like, she is too obvious when she tries to make allies. Since she has to ask who's police, otherwise she can't do much :V


also:

[pofa]

Random question: If Sonoko befriends a healer and her friend is attacked (but doesn't die due to healing himself), does Sonoko see the attacker? Or does the friend actually have to die? (Probably should be actual death, since it's like a compensation for loss of power to learn the attacker, but just wondering if it's come up). And if it was Kobayashi, is Sonoko then injured and unable to heal?