Episode 570 (The Crime With Zero Possibility To Be Proven) D

[kkslider5552000]

Maybe it's because of lowered expectations, but this was kinda fun. Mainly because they avoided having the only real suspect "directly" kill the victim. Surprised to see something actually clever in an AO.

lol @ Chiba being an important character in the case

[Rellik]

They should be careful with their titles, they want to make it sound cool but doesn't 0 possiblity to prove a crime mean this crime can't be solved in any way since it's impossible to even prove it happened?
(-didn't watch the episode, just commenting on the title-)

[Beastly]

Idem Rellik

[Conia]

Same as kk, I liked this one. But the strap falling in the kitchen was stupid imo

[kkslider5552000]

didn't watch the episode

exactly

the title does make sense, otherwise I probably wouldn't like this episode even by AO standards.

[CTU]

I don't get how she could have been charged with a crime...other then having a gun in a unsecured cabinet.All she did was made it possible for him to do something stupid to get himself killed.

[Conia]

I don't get how she could have been charged with a crime...other then having a gun in a unsecured cabinet.All she did was made it possible for him to do something stupid to get himself killed.

A sane person would have prevented, or at least tried to prevent the self-murder of the guy. She encouraged him to kill himself. I see no difference between this woman and a murderer.

[GinRei]

I don't get how she could have been charged with a crime...other then having a gun in a unsecured cabinet.All she did was made it possible for him to do something stupid to get himself killed.

This is what a lot of what we were discussing as we tried to get the episode done.  The answer: indirect intent.

[Abs.]

The title makes sense because the only way to get the woman charged with the crime was to make her feel bad enough about what she did to the extent that she would confess.

There was no evidence at all, really.

[Mead]

Things I liked about this AO:
* Contrary to what I had imagined, the title wasn't stupid and meaningless.
* Chiba was the second most seen character
* In the end there was no solution, just a forced confession.
* The indirect method used was interesting, much like the gas spark murder.
* The open ended conclusion which states that Conan didn't know if she would really go to jail or not, or for how long. Given there was only intent.

Things I disliked about this AO:
* It was obvious who the murderer was and the general gist of the indirect method the moment they said she'd been sitting there for two hours. There was never any doubt she killed him in some way, she didn't even give an explanation for why she was there, she might as well have yelled out "I was waiting to get a phone call that the bastard had died."

* Chiba, while awesome. Wasn't drawn that well, I usually don't nitpick about it, but when I was watching I noticed that he just didn't look right in some scenes.


Overall for an AO I thought would be a -2, it turned into a respectable 8/10 as far as AO goes.

[HADAA]

I don't get how she could have been charged with a crime...other then having a gun in a unsecured cabinet.All she did was made it possible for him to do something stupid to get himself killed.

This is what a lot of what we were discussing as we tried to get the episode done.  The answer: indirect intent.

Another example we used during the discussion was to hypothetically use peanut butter to kill off someone *coughJingcough* who's allergic to peanuts.
You invited your victim to your house for lunch, but you left home and sat in a cafe for two hours. You left a note telling your victim to help himself with the fridge, but the food in your fridge were all laced in peanuts or peanut butter.
Now, hopefully you can tell that this is a premeditated murder. You know your victim is going to reach for the food and die of anaphylactic shock, although he was the one to actually get himself killed. That's indirect intent for you.


It's okay to sit in a restaurant for two hours (I actually do, and no one cares), but what I don't get is...
Why the hell would she faint (and attract unwanted attention) if this was what she's been expecting? I don't believe that Conan and Ran would have cared if she had simply answered the phone and walked away.  Sheeeeeesh.

[GinRei]

I still say that when Kogorou was introducing himself, it looked like he was about to backhand her.

[Mead]

Another example we used during the discussion was to hypothetically use peanut butter to kill off someone *coughJingcough* who's allergic to peanuts.
You invited your victim to your house for lunch, but you left home and sat in a cafe for two hours. You left a note telling your victim to help himself with the fridge, but the food in your fridge were all laced in peanuts or peanut butter.
Now, hopefully you can tell that this is a premeditated murder. You know your victim is going to reach for the food and die of anaphylactic shock, although he was the one to actually get himself killed. That's indirect intent for you.


It's okay to sit in a restaurant for two hours (I actually do, and no one cares), but what I don't get is...
Why the hell would she faint (and attract unwanted attention) if this was what she's been expecting? I don't believe that Conan and Ran would have cared if she had simply answered the phone and walked away.  Sheeeeeesh.

It's a bit different though, becasue allergies are 100% certain and not something you could fault the person for, while giving into temptation and getting drunk is one thing, then to grab and start playing with a gun is another. In the end, the guy caused his own death, but the woman was just betting on the odds he'd die. It's really only her testimony that she created a situation and hoped he'd die. So her senetnce is really up to how bad she feels since they couldn't prove anything.

And I assume she fainted in order to bring someone from the restaurant to confirm her alibi, and she thought it'd help her, but having no reason for being there for two hours was a huge hole in her plan.

[GinRei]

but having no reason for being there for two hours was a huge hole in her plan.

It only seems weird because it was a random cafe.  If she were in a, say, Starbucks for 2 hours, no one would bat an eye.

[pofa]

Chandeliers as murder weapons are always a plus.

Are we supposed to understand that the victim saw the drinks on the table and the shotgun in the cabinet, realized what the culprit had set up, and decided to give in to it (commit semi-suicide) thanks to a combination of addiction and guilt? Or could he just not resist the drinks?

The culprit's plan here was similar to the one in Blue Spark of Hate (keep playing the odds till it works).