Is Conan Getting Stale?

[Tanner-kun]

In the early episode detective Conan's cases had well more though put into them. In the rollercoaster murder mystery the killer cried and the tear hit shinichi and that's why he knew she was the murderer. in a few cases he noticed marked on characters hands which lead to finding things out. He had beater trikes early on and now well you might as well have the killer hold up a sign.

[Paix672]

Honestly, Conan should’ve grown up even without an antidote by now! But regardless of the slow plot progression, cases nowadays aren’t as intriguing as they used to be. Earlier episodes were so bizarre and convoluted and kept me on tenterhooks even though they weren’t plot related. Gosho really needs to kick it up a notch. I wouldn’t expect much from AOs...

[kkslider5552000]

so bizarre and convoluted

which is why I want more cases like Red Wall

[Conia]

so bizarre and convoluted

which is why I want more cases like Red Wall

Where a new character makes an awesome entrance to DC.

[kkslider5552000]

so bizarre and convoluted

which is why I want more cases like Red Wall

Where a new character makes an awesome entrance to DC.

there's been some great new characters lately

Okiya Subaru, Yamato, Genta's Dad, Koumei etc.

[Paix672]

so bizarre and convoluted

which is why I want more cases like Red Wall

Yep, that case was sheer genius! Also, it'd be more than awesome if Koumei turned out to be Toichi. XD

[Conia]

so bizarre and convoluted

which is why I want more cases like Red Wall

Where a new character makes an awesome entrance to DC.

there's been some great new characters lately

Okiya Subaru, Yamato, Genta's Dad, Koumei etc.

Scar Akai also... Well, we know tooooo little about it, let's hope for a bigger appearance of him next time.

[CarpetCrawler]

I think the problem is the fact that episode-wise, this has been a crappy year for Conan episodes so far. We started off with an AO, and then we get a manga case. After that we get a really, REALLY crappy AO. Then we get two weeks off with no new episodes at all. Then we get one really bad AO, followed by another not so good AO. Then we get a really good manga case (The first good overall case of the year, I think,) and then ANOTHER AO. And now, the show is off for, new episode-wise, pretty much a month. We get three remastered episodes, then a Kaitou Kid special. Basically, we won't see a new episode until around May. Think about it.

In the span of almost half a year, we've seen a whopping two cases from the manga. This is as compared to last year, where around this time we only saw one AO or so. And then even later in the year the anime was very generous with their AO offerings. I think there are a few problems: 1. We've only had, as I described above, two cases from the manga. 2. There are a lot of gaps, for the show to have a few weeks off, as well as air some remastered episodes. 3. The AO's this year, so far, have been terrible. Even the ones from late last year were flat out atrocious. I don't know if something's happened, and they got rid of their old writers or something, but man, these AO's leave a lot to be desired. In fact, the only one from 2009 that I truly enjoyed was the one where Kogoro quit his detective agency.

I think this is why the show is starting to get stale, more than anything else. The really bad AO's and large new episode gaps leave a lot to be desired. Are there just not enough manga cases to make into episodes at this point?

[kkslider5552000]

I think this is why the show is starting to get stale, more than anything else. The really bad AO's and large new episode gaps leave a lot to be desired. Are there just not enough manga cases to make into episodes at this point?

In a way I think? Gosho has been taking a decent amount of breaks recently from what I've heard. But that could be normal.

The real problem is for the sake of having the ratings be better and actually consistent, they decided at some point last year to go back to airing 40 episodes a year instead of 30. So that had to mean more AOs. This really affected the last 1/3 of the year. Earlier in the year and the past couple of years before that, there were a lot of remastered episodes or even no episodes at all airing between some of these cases. Hell even as recently as after 544 there was a month break. I'm fairly certain that before they decided this, the Red Wall case and the case before it were going to air this year. (actually it's more likely they aired Red Wall sooner because they needed a non-AO after earlier that year having 2 AOs between 14 manga based episodes (which they didn't realize at the time would end up being incredibly dumb)) From what I know, there will probably be 22 or 24 manga based episodes aired this year. If they aired those episodes this year though, it would be 27 or 29. (5 episodes more which is exactly the number of AOs aired so far this year) And if it was 30 episodes a year, that would mean 3 or even 1 AO/s.

It doesn't help that 1 of the cases in 2009 was 383 levels of boredom and another was the Blue Spark of Failure.

[Akonyl]

In reality, the staleness of the show is just a subconscious sadness at the loss of Kogoro's original VA. When he was replaced everything became that much less magical.

[kkslider5552000]

In reality, the staleness of the show is just a subconscious sadness at the loss of Kogoro's original VA. When he was replaced everything became that much less magical.

While he is still no where near as good, the KILLING MOVE DRILL PUNCH made me realize that because they were forced to get a new actor, this was arguably the only not completely awful guy they could get.

I'm surprised this topic has managed to stay intelligent.

[tanteibigbird]

The way I see it, the show producers really outdid themselves when they aired not only the Clash of Red and Black arc, but a continuous string of manga eps from January to August. That alone raised expectations which became too high to meet.

[kkslider5552000]

The way I see it, the show producers really outdid themselves when they aired not only the Clash of Red and Black arc, but a continuous string of manga eps from January to August. That alone raised expectations which became too high to meet.

it doesn't helped that it the quality had been going back up again since the Toichi case and the 2 1 hour specials after it (and after 5 episodes that ended Eisuke arc and began the Subaru arc btw) were the best Kid case ever (in terms of keeping the viewer's interest from beginning to end) and the Furinkazan case.

[PokerFace312]

I'm still around 100 episodes behind on the anime, so some people probably won't agree, but, although I do wish they'd do more plot/manga based, I don't really mind the AOs to much... Since they're not up to Gosho's usual standards I use them as practice for figuring out manga based eps. Also by watching the manga based that arn't plot cases I get another look at them so I keep an eye out for possible clues or forshadowing Gosho's hiding in there.

[Introuble]

I don't think the issue is with the plot. I've never been a huge fan of DC's plot (it has tons of holes and paper thin characters), it's with the standard cases.

Just asking, How the heck does DC's plot have tons of holes and paper thin characters?
Honestly everything seemed great after the latest wrap-up arc (Clash of Red and Black)
Could you please mention these "tons of holes"/paper thin characters?
Anyway, I know there may have been a few plot holes so could someone refresh my memory?
Did I miss anything? As for the paper thin characters, I have no freaking idea on what your talking about. IMO All Black Organization members have been building up almost flawlessly so far especially Vermouth.
The only character that fits your description (paper and thin) would be the all mighty perfect Shinichi who's infaillible and seems to be on top of everything.

Back to the topic - Yes, I hate to admit it but in my opinion Detective Conan has become kinda crappy lately.
I love our plot and the only problem I have with it is the fact that i wish it could move a little...LOL.
Detective Conan's fillers have made the show boring, Right now all I can do is wait for the long awaited black organization episodes or any other special episodes such as Kaito kid. Through my eyes the series started falling noticeably ever since episode 505. However watching a long and successful series like this, we must remember that a thing like this is normal. Besides were not the only one aren't we?  ;)
                                 

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