Conan+Ayumi

[1Kaito]

[quote="Schillok"]
[quote="Callid"]
[quote="The Real Kleene"]
[quote="That Other Creepy Guy"]
[quote="Yuriko"]
You have to admit that this thread is now more popular than it used to be with Ð

[Schillok]

Wait, when has Haibara ever "encourage Ayumi that she should not give up trying to win Conan-kuns hearth."

Well, aside from non-cannon material (AOs, movies) the moments that come to my mind are during the Castle Case and at the end of the Hina Doll case. There are probably more instances that I forgot about though.

Conan and Ayumi should happen if AiMit happens XP

Well, why not? Mitsuhiko is a good match for Haibara once she gets over her fear from the BO (and remains a child).

@Schillok

Here is comparesion of sonoko to Haibara

Similarity: Both are girls ( duh), both have some interst in fashion... errmmm that's it

difference : Sonoko wants interest of boys while Ai don't ( maybe apart form Conan)
Haibara is more smater then Sonoko ( Sonoko is brain dead)
Sonoko wants people's attention while Haibara dosen't care for it
Sonoko is more emotional than ice-queen Haibara

Sonoko isn't dumb. Sure, she is less smart than Haibara, on the other hand, how often does Haibara actually use her intelligence? Usually that seems to happen when Conan is out of commission, but otherwise she hardly bothers to actually think a lot.
And Haibara also likes the attention of people, at least of those people close to her.
No matter how hard Haibara tries to hide her emotions, WHEN they break out she is even more emotional than Sonoko. No matter how much she tries hiding them. 

However, when I talked about the similarity between Sonoko and Haibara I was more refering to how they interact and think of Shinichi/Conan. The main reason why Shinichi and Sonoko make a bad couple is because they have hardly anything in common. They would not interact with each other if it wasn't for Ran that somehow connects them together. Just like the BO and APTX connects Conan and Haibara.

[doublemoonlight]

@ Schillok: I see your point but it has been hinted in the series that Haibara has some sort of romantic feelings for Conan/Shinnich. Of cause Conan dose not feel the same way, as he never showed any romantic feeling towards her but consider her as his best friend. As such I believe that if Ran was somehow dissapear from the series ( unlikly) I believe he will end up with Ran

as for sonoko, I believe he would feel rather disgusted of the idea of marrying or having any sort of Romantic relationship with her.

[Callid]

@ Schillok:
...
That comparison of you there is just wrong. It's like saying that Gin is like Kaito, as they are both, in some way, trying to outsmart Conan, are intelligent, criminals etc.  Nonetheless, they are NOTHING like each other, and the same goes for Ai and Sonoko.
Also, despite being quite sure you've realized - I'm quite sure Prof and wakarimashita were being ironic back there...

[Schillok]

@ Schillok:
...
That comparison of you there is just wrong. It's like saying that Gin is like Kaito, as they are both, in some way, trying to outsmart Conan, are intelligent, criminals etc.  Nonetheless, they are NOTHING like each other, and the same goes for Ai and Sonoko.
Also, despite being quite sure you've realized - I'm quite sure Prof and wakarimashita were being ironic back there...

Yeah, Sonoko and Haibara are not equal, however their "romantic interaction" with Shinichi/Conan are very similar. It does not exist. Sure, in fanfiction everything is possible, but canon-wise is will not happen.
Just like Conans interaction with Gin and Kaito - yeah, they are different, but in the end he wants to get both of them in jail.

@ Schillok: I see your point but it has been hinted in the series that Haibara has some sort of romantic feelings for Conan/Shinnich. Of cause Conan dose not feel the same way, as he never showed any romantic feeling towards her but consider her as his best friend. As such I believe that if Ran was somehow dissapear from the series ( unlikly) I believe he will end up with Ran

I don't believe those so-called "hints". So far every character had at some point confessed their love - either openly or at least in an inner dialog. Even Ayumi, Genta and Mitsuhiko did.
As did Shinichi, Ran, Makoto, Sonoko, Takagi, Shiratori, Satô, Kobayashi-sensei... everyone.
Why should Haibara be the "special exception"? If she did not show her feelings it means she does not have them - the easy explanation is usually the correct one.

Your last sentence is a bit... creepy. I guess you did not mean to say he would be with Ran if Ran died/disappeared.
No matter how he loses Ran, it would be a hard blow for Conan/Shinichi. No idea what he would do (after figuring out the reasons for her disappearance) - though, I could imagine him to not look for a new love immediately. He also would have less motivation to become Shinichi again.
Ayumi would be a great match for him when he is finally over that loss.
Though, I would not like it if it happened this way. If Ran has to disappear it would mean that Ayumi x Conan was not strong enough to overcome Ran x Shinichi on its own. I wouldn't want Conan to end with Ayumi because Ran is not there anymore. I would want him to chose her over Ran because his feelings for her get even greater than those for Ran.

as for sonoko, I believe he would feel rather disgusted of the idea of marrying or having any sort of Romantic relationship with her.

Exactly.
Though to be honest, in the moment he probably can't imagine having a romantic relationship with anyone but Ran. Again, that is something that can change if time passes.

[doublemoonlight]

@ Schillok: Haibara did not show her feelings because she is not excacly emotional person- unlike Ayumi or Ran. I mean she grew up in BO. Of cause as series go on she became more and more emotional but still she is not good with romantic feelings... Plus I doubt that when the series is over and Conan had defeated BO he would turn cold to haibara and end his firendship with her as his 'link' with her is gone

Thus ShinRan comes first THEN aiCon, Then Conanxayumi.

[Conia]

@ Schillok: Haibara did not show her feelings because she is not excacly emotional person- unlike Ayumi or Ran. I mean she grew up in BO. Of cause as series go on she became more and more emotional but still she is not good with romantic feelings... Plus I doubt that when the series is over and Conan had defeated BO he would turn cold to haibara and end his firendship with her as his 'link' with her is gone

Thus ShinRan comes first THEN aiCon, Then Conanxayumi.

If Shinichi felt attracted to Ran, but he then couldn't get a way to return to his normal body, reaching the same age as Shinichi but as Conan, wouldn't he feel attracted to Ayumi instead of Haibara, since Ayumi is more similar to Ran than Ai?
Plus, biggest connection between Conan and Ai is they are both victims of shrinking. If they both stay as Conan and Ai forever, then the shrinking connection will cut loose.

[Schillok]

@ Schillok: Haibara did not show her feelings because she is not excacly emotional person- unlike Ayumi or Ran. I mean she grew up in BO. Of cause as series go on she became more and more emotional but still she is not good with romantic feelings... 

Shiratori isn't emotional either. But he voiced his feelings open towards the reader, it was always obvious he was in love. No, saying "Haibara isn't emotional" isn't an explanation why those "feelings" (that some fans think she has/had for Conan) aren't shown. If they existed, they would have been shown. Since nothing was shown it means they don't exist.

Plus I doubt that when the series is over and Conan had defeated BO he would turn cold to haibara and end his firendship with her as his 'link' with her is gone

Sure, it is more likely that Haibara would be the one who disappears without a trace in the end...
Just like Shinichi could still stay in contact with the other Detective Boys, he doesn't have to end his friendship with Haibara.

Thus ShinRan comes first THEN aiCon, Then Conanxayumi.

Uhh, what is the criterion for that order? Chronological order? First Ran, then Haibara until he finally realizes his love for Ayumi and stays with her?

Or the number of supporters/fans?

If Shinichi felt attracted to Ran, but he then couldn't get a way to return to his normal body, reaching the same age as Shinichi but as Conan, wouldn't he feel attracted to Ayumi instead of Haibara, since Ayumi is more similar to Ran than Ai?
Plus, biggest connection between Conan and Ai is they are both victims of shrinking. If they both stay as Conan and Ai forever, then the shrinking connection will cut loose.

Exactly.

[doublemoonlight]

There were series when Ai voiced her thoughts about Conan ( e.g Bus hijecking case and that Video-tape case) it is clear from these examples that she dose feel love for him

and by the way my order above was the likelyhood of it happening in the series.

[ProfParanoia]

@ Schlock and Conai:
1. What do Ayumi and Ran really have in common (minus lack of subtlety)? We don't know Ayumi's going to be Ran at all in the future, yet apparently being clingy and having dark brown hair means Conan would chose her.

2. "If they both stay as Conan and Ai forever, then the shrinking connection will cut loose." Uh, not fast enough, Conan and Ai are going to see the kids as kids for 20+ years. Once it hits them they wont be able to go back, you really think in all that time they wont try anything?

[Callid]

@ Schillok: Haibara did not show her feelings because she is not excacly emotional person- unlike Ayumi or Ran. I mean she grew up in BO. Of cause as series go on she became more and more emotional but still she is not good with romantic feelings... Plus I doubt that when the series is over and Conan had defeated BO he would turn cold to haibara and end his firendship with her as his 'link' with her is gone

Thus ShinRan comes first THEN aiCon, Then Conanxayumi.

If Shinichi felt attracted to Ran, but he then couldn't get a way to return to his normal body, reaching the same age as Shinichi but as Conan, wouldn't he feel attracted to Ayumi instead of Haibara, since Ayumi is more similar to Ran than Ai?
Plus, biggest connection between Conan and Ai is they are both victims of shrinking. If they both stay as Conan and Ai forever, then the shrinking connection will cut loose.

First, that means there are ten years in between. 10 years in which the only possible partner for Conan is Ai. And you're still sure thatnothing will happen between them, especially given (I'll now go by what the majority agrees on) Ai's feelings for Conan? I'd consider that rather unlikely.

Second, there is the problem that Conan will most likely never stop seeing Ayumi as a child, even if they're both grown up. Just like parents usually think of their children as kids even when they are grown up, Ayumi will probably suffer the same fate in Conan's eyes. Which is why I'd say that - if they stay together for these ten years! - the order is more like ShinRan (*sigh*) > AiCon > Conanx[some other girl he meets first in high school] > ConanxAyumi. If, however, Conan should be separated from both Ai and Ayumi, then AyumixConan gets second (after ShinRan, of course).

[sonoci]

. . .Sure, in fanfiction everything is possible, but canon-wise is will not happen.

I'm pretty sure this applies to everything except ShinRan when it comes to Shinichi/Conan.

Anyway, as for this pairing, I enjoy the little jokey moments where Ayumi is worried/clingy/lovestruck, but I wouldn't take it very seriously. This is mostly for the reasons Callid stated: Conan is likely to always see Ayumi as a child. First impressions mean so much. Not to mention, the 'Ayumi is much like Ran thus Conan would probably like her' point seems very...'Ayumi is a replacement for Ran' IMO. It's almost definitely not what you probably meant to imply, but it kind of comes off that way.

[Vylash]

@ Schillok: Haibara did not show her feelings because she is not excacly emotional person- unlike Ayumi or Ran. I mean she grew up in BO. Of cause as series go on she became more and more emotional but still she is not good with romantic feelings... Plus I doubt that when the series is over and Conan had defeated BO he would turn cold to haibara and end his firendship with her as his 'link' with her is gone

Thus ShinRan comes first THEN aiCon, Then Conanxayumi.

If Shinichi felt attracted to Ran, but he then couldn't get a way to return to his normal body, reaching the same age as Shinichi but as Conan, wouldn't he feel attracted to Ayumi instead of Haibara, since Ayumi is more similar to Ran than Ai?

...ummm...yeah...I don't see shinichi being all like "Damn, I can't be with ran....oh well, you'll do, ayumi"

[mangaluva]

@ Schillok: Haibara did not show her feelings because she is not excacly emotional person- unlike Ayumi or Ran. I mean she grew up in BO. Of cause as series go on she became more and more emotional but still she is not good with romantic feelings... Plus I doubt that when the series is over and Conan had defeated BO he would turn cold to haibara and end his firendship with her as his 'link' with her is gone

Thus ShinRan comes first THEN aiCon, Then Conanxayumi.

If Shinichi felt attracted to Ran, but he then couldn't get a way to return to his normal body, reaching the same age as Shinichi but as Conan, wouldn't he feel attracted to Ayumi instead of Haibara, since Ayumi is more similar to Ran than Ai?

...ummm...yeah...I don't see shinichi being all like "Damn, I can't be with ran....oh well, you'll do, ayumi"

I don't think it would be settling, I think the point was that Ayumi is the kind of girl he might become attracted to if he gave up on Ran.

[Schillok]

Ohh, the thread got revived. Yay.
I wanted to post something for so long as well, but... well. I guess I was hoping for something new to happen.

First, that means there are ten years in between. 10 years in which the only possible partner for Conan is Ai. And you're still sure thatnothing will happen between them, especially given (I'll now go by what the majority agrees on) Ai's feelings for Conan? I'd consider that rather unlikely.

Why would Haibara be the only possible partner for Conan? Why should anything happen between them? Physically, both are children. And again: Unless there is a real evidence for those "Ai's feelings for Conan", I assume they don't exist. All other DC love interests were shown openly, so if no romantic feelings of Ai towards Conan are shown (by direct speech or an inner monologue) it means that they do not exist. (Yes, this could change in the future, but I don't expect it will. So until then: Haibara is not in love.)
And again: Why should they fall in love with each other. Even if Conan gave up on Ran, why does he have to fall in love again while still a child? Wouldn't it be much more likely taht he got those feelings at a time fitting for his real age, meaning a time when Ayumi is also old enough for her love to be taken seriously as well?
Why does Conan have to fall in love with Haibara, but can't do the same with Ayumi? Physically, both are children - and just because "Haibara is more mature" is just a poor excuse. And as Haibaras (and Conans) bodies age, so will Ayumi and the other children around them.

Second, there is the problem that Conan will most likely never stop seeing Ayumi as a child, even if they're both grown up. Just like parents usually think of their children as kids even when they are grown up, Ayumi will probably suffer the same fate in Conan's eyes. Which is why I'd say that - if they stay together for these ten years! - the order is more like ShinRan (*sigh*) > AiCon > Conanx[some other girl he meets first in high school] > ConanxAyumi. If, however, Conan should be separated from both Ai and Ayumi, then AyumixConan gets second (after ShinRan, of course).

He has 10 years to notice that the DBs are slowly growing up. He will realize that things aren't always going to stay the same. Even parents realize that their children are growing up, the "still thinking of the children as kids" is more because they want to support them while at the same time being hesitant to let them go. 
Not to forget: Ayumi isn't his child (probably). She is a friend who is younger than his psychical but the same age as his physical age. And friends do recognize and accept that they are growing up more easily.

Not to mention, the 'Ayumi is much like Ran thus Conan would probably like her' point seems very...'Ayumi is a replacement for Ran' IMO. It's almost definitely not what you probably meant to imply, but it kind of comes off that way.

Now if you say it that way, it would also mean you have to say: "My new girlfriend/boyfriend is a replacement for my old one" for anyone finding a new love. Which is correct to some point, but sounds really bad.
It is just the way that each human loves certain traits in his/her love interest more then others (and might dislike other traits) and will much more likely fall in love with people which have those traits. In the end it means their love interests resemble each other (no matter how much they want to deny it). I think Ayumi has many of those traits that Shinichi/Conan likes in Ran, so when he has to let her go in a few years, he will likely be interested in Ayumi since she fits his preferences.

...ummm...yeah...I don't see shinichi being all like "Damn, I can't be with ran....oh well, you'll do, ayumi"

But you have no trouble seeing "Damn, I can't be with ran....oh well, you'll do, Haibara"? (or replace "Haibara" with Sonoko, Kaito, Heiji, Kazuha... whoever you prefer)
Like mangaluva said: Ayumi seems to be the kind of girl he might become attracted to, if he gave up on Ran.