Police Chief from 4th Movie

[Abs.]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

[dilbertschalter]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

[mangaluva]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

It turns up in Shakespeare, Star Wars and the more pretentious poetry. That's about it.

[Akonyl]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

It turns up in Shakespeare, Star Wars and the more pretentious poetry. That's about it.

that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though. There are plenty of ways to structure sentences that have fallen out of style since YE OLDE DAYS, and because of the other phrases that also use the verb-not thing, like "fear not" and "speak not", until you cite actual grammar, I'm not gonna believe you that it's technically incorrect.m:P

[Umandsf]

Same here. I'm usually a pain to others on grammar, but I never had a problem with that phrase.

[Abs.]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

It turns up in Shakespeare, Star Wars and the more pretentious poetry. That's about it.

that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though. There are plenty of ways to structure sentences that have fallen out of style since YE OLDE DAYS, and because of the other phrases that also use the verb-not thing, like "fear not" and "speak not", until you cite actual grammar, I'm not gonna believe you that it's technically incorrect.m:P

I just addressed "verb-not" above.  It's fine if the sentence is "You need not know."  Putting the "to" in there would be equivalent to "fear not to fall" or "speak not to him," which are both NOT standard English.  

Give me some benefit of the doubt that I may actually know what I'm talking about.  And that the Japanese manga artist does not have as firm a grasp on English as I do.

[Akonyl]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

It turns up in Shakespeare, Star Wars and the more pretentious poetry. That's about it.

that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though. There are plenty of ways to structure sentences that have fallen out of style since YE OLDE DAYS, and because of the other phrases that also use the verb-not thing, like "fear not" and "speak not", until you cite actual grammar, I'm not gonna believe you that it's technically incorrect.m:P

I just addressed "verb-not" above.  It's fine if the sentence is "You need not know."  Putting the "to" in there would be equivalent to "fear not to fall" or "speak not to him," which are both NOT standard English.  

Give me some benefit of the doubt that I may actually know what I'm talking about.  And that the Japanese manga artist does not have as firm a grasp on English as I do.

Shakespeare disagrees with you on "speak not to him".

[dilbertschalter]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

It turns up in Shakespeare, Star Wars and the more pretentious poetry. That's about it.

that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though. There are plenty of ways to structure sentences that have fallen out of style since YE OLDE DAYS, and because of the other phrases that also use the verb-not thing, like "fear not" and "speak not", until you cite actual grammar, I'm not gonna believe you that it's technically incorrect.m:P

I just addressed "verb-not" above.  It's fine if the sentence is "You need not know."  Putting the "to" in there would be equivalent to "fear not to fall" or "speak not to him," which are both NOT standard English.  

Give me some benefit of the doubt that I may actually know what I'm talking about.  And that the Japanese manga artist does not have as firm a grasp on English as I do.

Shakespeare disagrees with you on "speak not to him".

Shakespeare!=modern standard English.

[kkslider5552000]

ITT: Serious discussion about Engrish in a japanese anime  :(

[Akonyl]

"need not to know" isn't even English.

"You need not know." <-- English
"You don't need to know." <-- English

"You need not to know." <-- NotEnglish

Yeah, it's basically Yoda-speak. Inversion doesn't work well in English most of the time.

It turns up in Shakespeare, Star Wars and the more pretentious poetry. That's about it.

that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though. There are plenty of ways to structure sentences that have fallen out of style since YE OLDE DAYS, and because of the other phrases that also use the verb-not thing, like "fear not" and "speak not", until you cite actual grammar, I'm not gonna believe you that it's technically incorrect.m:P

I just addressed "verb-not" above.  It's fine if the sentence is "You need not know."  Putting the "to" in there would be equivalent to "fear not to fall" or "speak not to him," which are both NOT standard English.  

Give me some benefit of the doubt that I may actually know what I'm talking about.  And that the Japanese manga artist does not have as firm a grasp on English as I do.

Shakespeare disagrees with you on "speak not to him".

Shakespeare!=modern standard English.

to reiterate what I previously said:

that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though. There are plenty of ways to structure sentences that have fallen out of style since YE OLDE DAYS, and because of the other phrases that also use the verb-not thing, like "fear not" and "speak not", until you cite actual grammar, I'm not gonna believe you that it's technically incorrect.m:P

all you've said to refute this so far is "well it sounds weird". Until you can cite some grammar reference, I think it's more reasonable to believe what was valid English then is still valid, than to think that it randomly deemed invalid at some point.

"out of style" != incorrect.

ITT: Serious discussion about Engrish in a japanese anime 

I am indeed srs biznizin it up.

[Abs.]

It does not just "sound wrong." "Need not to know" is NOT standard English, AND it is NOT how the term is used. What kind of credentials do you need from me? Not that it means anything on the internet.

Since that's the case, please Wikipedia the term "need to know."

[Akonyl]

It does not just "sound wrong." "Need not to know" is NOT standard English, AND it is NOT how the term is used. What kind of credentials do you need from me? Not that it means anything on the internet.

Since that's the case, please Wikipedia the term "need to know."

I'm not asking for credentials, I'm just saying that I haven't seen you give any proof of what you're saying past "I say this is right" and "I say this is wrong".

It's like if I said " 'Me am Akonyl' is not a valid sentence, but 'I am Akonyl' is" and gave no reasoning. Yeah, I might be correct, but I gave no reason to be believed. However, if I had said " 'Me am Akonyl' is not a valid sentence because the pronoun that refers to the self when used as the subject is 'I', not 'me'," then I would have some sort of proof, which is what I mean.

I'd also point out that I'm not saying that you're wrong necessarily, just that you matter-of-factly corrected someone when so far it looks like you don't have anything to back it up with other than "I know what I'm talking about." I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here and wondering what you're basing that on.

you also said that "speak not to him" isn't valid English, which I got no reason to believe until you point out just why mister Shakes is whack.

And what about the Wikipedia page? Are you saying that just because "need to know" is a phrase that has common enough usage to get its own wiki page, but "need not to know" isn't, that "need not to know" is somehow wrong because of that?

[Tanner-kun]

I think need not to no is not proper English but it is dialect, because sentences with "need not to know" are dialect from back when Shakespeare was still alive. it like how words like "y'all" as in "how are y'all doing" or "fix-in" like "I'm fix-in it" are dialect used in Texas I occasionally still use them them BTW. Dialect is not proper English so "need not to know" is not proper English but can still be used as it is dialect.

Wow me of all people saying this.

[Abs.]

I'm sure someone that has actually learned English in an ESL setting can answer this better, but here goes:

"need to know" ->> "need" = noun; "to know" = infinitive verb ->>> Good.  Examples: "CD to play" "Professor Agasa to see" "hope to discover"

"[s]need not to know[/s]" ->> "need not" = negation of noun "need" ->>> Faulty: Negation of nouns occur before the noun, not after.  Examples: "[s]a tree not[/s]" "[s]Edogawa Conan not[/s]" "[s]courage not[/s]" become, "not a tree" "not Edogawa Conan" "not courage"
- - - - - - - - - - - OR - ->> "need not" = negation of verb (base form) need ->>> Faulty for the reason of being outdated, as mangaluva mentioned earlier re: Shakespeare and Yoda (remember that Yoda is from a long time ago, as well as a galaxy far, far away) - this style is still frequently used in poetry, however, because poets don't give a damn about grammar.  Examples: "[s]run not[/s]" "[s]yearn not[/s]" "[s]eat not[/s]" in standard English form become, "not run" "not yearn" "not eat"

Intend to argue that "Aha!  It is correct according to the English of YE OLDE DAYS," do you?
1. DC is not Shakespeare.
2. Conan is not Yoda.  Shinichi is not Yoda.  *Though this could change in the future for a truly WTFBBQ!? twist!
3. Conan was not reciting a poem.
4. Last I checked, DC takes place in "modern times" - floating timeline FTW 
Bonus 5. Conan is not JFK ("Ask not..." again, poetic form)

->> Furthermore, the meaning behind such dated usages translates to "do not run" "do not yearn" and "do not eat" in modern English because they are actually negative imperatives.  Thus, the original phrase "need not to know" would turn into "do not crave to know" (crave = "feel the need" - "crave" is substituted in to point out that "need" here is used in the sense of "I need air" therefore the negative imperative would in turn be "Do not need air!") in modern English.

The Wikipedia page was given to provide examples supporting the idea that the phrase that was intended had something to do with "need to know."  It was in response to this, that I had missed previously:

and I would say you're probably wrong on assuming they're trying to use the phrase "need to know"

Also, the idea of "having a need to not know" (which is what "need | not to know" is trying to express) is better explained thus: "plausible deniability" 

[Akonyl]

maybe uits just because of myu state of mind right now but I think your post is good so i iwll dro pt his argument.

you have given some soryt of proof so shgood show