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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby arielrachel0527 » July 26th, 2010, 11:50 am

Dus wrote:She definitely suffers from depressions (Movie 5) and is ashamed of her past. This is actually part of her character development when she first appeared she was quite self-righteous and only showed feelings where her sister was concerned. The more she falls in love with Conan, the more she questions her past beliefs, her past role in the BO. As a result, she completely clams up about her past and is getting more melancholic, sad, cynical, and even depressed.
Now show me any psychological implications in Ran's character. There aren't all that many...


Well...Ran starts off as a normal high school girl with a detective childhood friend. She pretty much enjoys life. After Shinichi disappears, she sometimes goes into a state of depression (if you consider her crying a sign of depression; don't know the exact word to describe this) because she misses Shinichi a lot and she has no way of knowing where he is at or he is safe. For all she knows, he is tangled up in a complicated case. Also at first, she is hesitated to tell Shinichi her feelings. In the Dark Knight arc, even though they're at a restaurant and it seems like Shinichi is about to confess, she doesn't get it and just let it slips. But recently in the Shiragami case, she has the urge to tell him his feelings that she asked Shinichi don't go. That shows her character development from being an extremely shy girl to a person who has the courage to confess, or rather, ready to confess.

At the beginning, Ran doesn't really like cases and she doesn't show any actions in solving the case. During the teacher murdered two other teachers case, she only became a detective because Shinichi said that if she doesn't want to do it, then he would tell the reporter himself. In the Kazuha V.S. Heiji deduction showdown, Ran becomes more active in solving mysteries (Although one can argue it is because she wants Kazuha to win). But in the convenience store case, she tries to solve the case and only tells Shinichi what happens when Shinichi happens to call her. She does lose some confidence after telling Shinichi what she thinks, but at his urging, she actually explain her deductions to everyone, even though she doesn't know if she's right or wrong. I don't remember if there's any recent case that shows her being more active. But that's what I have so far.

I didn't include any movies because I don't know if they really count. But if you want me to include the movies, I can do that. :D
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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby Dus » July 26th, 2010, 12:05 pm

You do have a point. While she is certainly not as conflicted and more care-free than Ai, she does mature.
First paragraph:
What happened there is that being separated from Shinichi makes her finally realize her feelings. In the beginning, she's in dnial that they're more than just friends. She might also have lost some of her self-consciousness in more recent chapters. This is all a result of Shinichi's being away.
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This might be more of an example for Gosho changing her character a wee bit, similiar to what happened with Kogoro.I don't think that really makes sense as a psychological development. If anything, she should hate all these cases even more since they're the reason Shinichi is away. Then again, she might take more of an interest to feel closer to Shinichi, similiar to what Ai does. The one case she solved herself (although there's an earler AO example of that) might also be a sign that she's loosing her self consciousness.

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Postby arielrachel0527 » July 26th, 2010, 12:56 pm

For some reason, I just can't come up with a lot of things from the movies.

In the movies, Ran actually does't have that many roles. However, the movies do reveal what we already know about Ran and take it to a step further. As we all know already, Ran is pretty daring and courage. And in the movie, it is shown that she is willing to sacrifice her life for someone she cares about even though she may not necessary love him in romantic way (I don't think DC shows this yet, but I may be wrong). In movie 6, where Conan was about to be brutally murdered by Jack the Ripper, she jumped off the train to save him. Haibara did the same thing too, except that she pushed Conan out of the way of the falling  statue or something like that. And in numerous occasions, she saved Conan.

In movie 8, one new thing that we see is that even with Shinichi giving her directions to drive the plane, she still has doubts in him because she practically have several thousands of lives on her hand. This shows that even she, who believes in Shinichi's ability, still has doubts. I thought this was a critical development of her character because it shows that she's not a person who merely places all her faith in someone else. And this is also the first time that she truly expresses her feelings to Shinichi by saving that "You are  always absent when there's an emergency and who do you think I am anyway". She never talked to him that way before, and especially not to his face.

Also in the movies, we actually see some fantasies of Ran, like in movie 4, she imagines Shinichi telling her that he loves her more than anyone else, which is eventually said by Conan. But she doesn't know that they're the same person.  In Lupin Special, she imagines Shinichi as the prince and she as the princess and they're married.

In DC, she doesn't have any fantasies of Shinichi, not even he confessing his love. Though the fantasy stuff probably has nothing to do with the character development. XD
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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby Dus » July 26th, 2010, 1:06 pm

She rather doubts herself in movie 8, doesn't she? But yes, she is bitter about his constant and under these extreme circumstances, she voices that bitterness.
You're also right about the movies containing little actual character development. Especially in the more recent movies they just try to please everyone by hinting at pairings and by including a kitschy ShinRan moment.
The earlier movies actually contributed to the story line (Kogoro's past and Kid discovering Conan's identity).
I think there are one or few scenes where she fantasizes about Shinichi, but certainly not in that way.
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Postby arielrachel0527 » July 26th, 2010, 1:22 pm

Dus wrote:She rather doubts herself in movie 8, doesn't she? But yes, she is bitter about his constant and under these extreme circumstances, she voices that bitterness.
You're also right about the movies containing little actual character development. Especially in the more recent movies they just try to please everyone by hinting at pairings and by including a kitschy ShinRan moment.
The earlier movies actually contributed to the story line (Kogoro's past and Kid discovering Conan's identity).
I think there are one or few scenes where she fantasizes about Shinichi, but certainly not in that way.


Well she doubts her ability to successfully drive the plane without causing any causalities. She's usually pretty confident in her ability. In movie 13, when Irish dares Ran to dodge his bullet, she's pretty confident that she can do it.

What way do you mean? And Kid actually know Conan's true identity in DC?
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Postby Dus » July 26th, 2010, 1:38 pm

I'm way too lazy to search for any examples but when Shinichi leaves her waiting in the restaurant she imagines him saying "You've certainly gotten fat while I was away" or something to this effect. There's no romantic or sexual imaginery in the manga AFAIK.
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Postby arielrachel0527 » July 26th, 2010, 1:46 pm

Dus wrote:I'm way too lazy to search for any examples but when Shinichi leaves her waiting in the restaurant she imagines him saying "You've certainly gotten fat while I was away" or something to this effect. There's no romantic or sexual imaginery in the manga AFAIK.


Hahaha you're right. In DC (manga and anime), she only imagines him saying not so good stuff and doing bad stuff like hanging out with women behind her back or something.

@xGinx: I haven't forgotten your earlier post about where Shinichi will propose. For me, there are two places
1. The restaurant, of course
2. Tropical Land!!! They have many memories over there. XD
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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby Conia » July 26th, 2010, 3:19 pm

arielrachel0527 wrote:
Dus wrote:I'm way too lazy to search for any examples but when Shinichi leaves her waiting in the restaurant she imagines him saying "You've certainly gotten fat while I was away" or something to this effect. There's no romantic or sexual imaginery in the manga AFAIK.


Hahaha you're right. In DC (manga and anime), she only imagines him saying not so good stuff and doing bad stuff like hanging out with women behind her back or something.

@xGinx: I haven't forgotten your earlier post about where Shinichi will propose. For me, there are two places
1. The restaurant, of course
2. Tropical Land!!! They have many memories over there. XD


I wish we could have some "Ran is suspicious" going on on Tropical Land. It will sure bring back memories for them and for us :D
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Postby sstimson » July 26th, 2010, 3:23 pm

arielrachel0527 wrote:
Dus wrote:I'm way too lazy to search for any examples but when Shinichi leaves her waiting in the restaurant she imagines him saying "You've certainly gotten fat while I was away" or something to this effect. There's no romantic or sexual imaginery in the manga AFAIK.




Hahaha you're right. In DC (manga and anime), she only imagines him saying not so good stuff and doing bad stuff like hanging out with women behind her back or something.

@xGinx: I haven't forgotten your earlier post about where Shinichi will propose. For me, there are two places
1. The restaurant, of course
2. Tropical Land!!! They have many memories over there. XD

What about the Library where they meet KID (young at the time)
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Or that great Overlook where they ended up after solving Most of KId's Dad's Puzzles?
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Postby KaitoGirl » July 26th, 2010, 3:38 pm

@Conia: LOL THAT'S SO COOL! *-* why people here doesn't do things like that?
by the way, what are you guys talking about? I don't have time to read 4 pages 'cuz I'm on a cyber  :-\
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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby Conia » July 26th, 2010, 3:40 pm

KaitoGirl95 wrote:@Conia: LOL THAT'S SO COOL! *-* why people here doesn't do things like that?
by the way, what are you guys talking about? I don't have time to read 4 pages 'cuz I'm on a cyber  :-\


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Postby KaitoGirl » July 26th, 2010, 3:52 pm

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Well, I don't think it would be Tropical Land, I mean XD that's where Shinichi desapeared, I guess Ran will never let Shinichi go there with her afraid that Shinichi will disappear again XD but that is just my opinion. I also think that that would be a perfect place *-* and also so romantic LOL

Well. . . let's think, where else can Shinichi propse to Ran? . . .

AT TOUTO TOWER!

That's were she share great moments with Shinichi! She was looking thorugh the . . . (don't know how you say "mirador" in english) and Shinichi brought a soda and put it on her check ^^ and both were so happy *¬*

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I think it was at Touto Tower xd
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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby Conia » July 26th, 2010, 3:55 pm

KaitoGirl95 wrote:O:

Well, I don't think it would be Tropical Land, I mean XD that's where Shinichi desapeared, I guess Ran will never let Shinichi go there with her afraid that Shinichi will disappear again XD but that is just my opinion. I also think that that would be a perfect place *-* and also so romantic LOL

Well. . . let's think, where else can Shinichi propse to Ran? . . .

AT TOUTO TOWER!

That's were she share great moments with Shinichi! She was looking thorugh the . . . (don't know how you say "mirador" in english) and Shinichi brought a soda and put it on her check ^^ and both were so happy *¬*

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I think it was at Touto Tower xd


"Mirador" can be translated as binoculars. although it's not a good translation, people will understand what it means :)
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Postby arielrachel0527 » July 26th, 2010, 4:01 pm

KaitoGirl95 wrote:O:

Well, I don't think it would be Tropical Land, I mean XD that's where Shinichi desapeared, I guess Ran will never let Shinichi go there with her afraid that Shinichi will disappear again XD but that is just my opinion. I also think that that would be a perfect place *-* and also so romantic LOL

Well. . . let's think, where else can Shinichi propse to Ran? . . .

AT TOUTO TOWER!

That's were she share great moments with Shinichi! She was looking thorugh the . . . (don't know how you say "mirador" in english) and Shinichi brought a soda and put it on her check ^^ and both were so happy *¬*

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I think it was at Touto Tower xd


The Touto Tower you were talking about is actually a sightseeing tower in Tropical Land!! XD

Yes, while it is true that Tropical Land is where Shinichi first disappears but I still like that place a lot especially the fountain place in movie 4. He should propose there!! That would be so romantic.
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Re: Shinichi+Ran

Postby Dus » July 26th, 2010, 4:04 pm

A mirador would be a lookout or a spotting scope.
Wasn't that only in the movie? Gosho has never officially made the anything that happened in the movies canon soI don't really think there's an alternative to the restaurant where his father proposed.
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